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265.1 | Thanks, Mike! | NEXUS::CONLON | | Mon Oct 31 1988 14:47 | 6 |
| RE: .0
Thanks for bringing that up! I'd like to hear what the censored
comic strip says, too!
Suzanne...
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265.3 | definitely politics | DOODAH::RANDALL | Bonnie Randall Schutzman | Mon Oct 31 1988 14:59 | 10 |
| I've seen a couple of them (the Nashua _Telegraph_ isn't censoring
them yet) but I don't remember the dialogue off the top of my
head. I'll try to post it tomorrow if somebody doesn't beat
me to it.
Last Saturday's was blatantly political and not in the least
humorous, by the way. Not to say it was right, but it did seem
rather inappropriate to the comics page.
--bonnie
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265.4 | Cathy 10/28/88 San Jose Mercury | PSG::PURMAL | Formality is anger with its hair combed | Mon Oct 31 1988 15:22 | 18 |
| Cathy and Andrea are walking in a park.
In the first frame Andrea says "The Reagan-Bush administration has
done nothing about the fact that 44% of the workface is women, yet
we have no national law requiring equal pay."
In the second frame she says "It's done nothing about the fact that
67% of the women who have preschool children work full time and
need day care help... Nothing about the fact that 90% of the families
on welfare are single mothers with no way out."
The third frame has her saying "Yet indredibly, many people look
at the current government and think things are going pretty well."
She closes with "The government is like a baby. It looks like an
angel when it's sleeping"
ASP
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265.5 | Cathy 10/27/88 San Jose Mercury | PSG::PURMAL | Formality is anger with its hair combed | Mon Oct 31 1988 15:34 | 20 |
| In all four frames Andrea is feeding Zenith (I hope I got her name
right). Andrea is thinking. Each paragraph represents a separate
frame.
"I lost my job when I had a baby because republicans believe maternity
leaves should be decided on by individual companies and my company
decided not to give them."
"I can't afford to get another job because republicans believe day
care help should be the choice of individual companies, and the
10,000 companies I've applied to have chosen not to offer it."
"This would all make me sick except republicans believe health care
should be a personal matter, and I am a person who's unemployed,
uninsured and ineligible for aid."
"It was easier to support the concept of giving power to the individual
when I was an individual who had some."
ASP
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265.7 | | CVG::THOMPSON | Grump grump grump | Mon Oct 31 1988 15:35 | 11 |
| There have been a whole string of these anti-administration
Cathy strips over the last week or so. They are not funny
and are blatantly political in nature. They do have valid (for
the most part) points regarding 'womans' issues. I tend to
agree that they belong more on the editorial page then the
funnies page. I go to the funnies page to get a laugh which
I generally need after reading the editorial page. I never
did understand censorship of comics just because they get a
little political.
Alfred
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265.8 | If satire is good........... | NSSG::FEINSMITH | | Mon Oct 31 1988 15:43 | 8 |
| I usually drop any thought of anything but enjoyment when I turn
to the comic pages, regardless of political content. Doonesbury
was as political as they come, as were some other strips, but who
really cares. If the satire is good, its good, regardless of its
political leaning. If you don't like the message, don't read the
strip.
Eric
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265.9 | Cathy 10/25/88 San Jose Mercury | PSG::PURMAL | Formality is anger with its hair combed | Mon Oct 31 1988 15:46 | 24 |
| Cathy's mother is in the kitchen watching the TV. She is talking
to the television after each of the things the speaker says.
TV: If elected, I will appoint a special task force to study new
techniques for balancing the budget...
Mom: Oh, for heavens sake. Just quit spending money you don't have.
TV: I will commission advisory reports on what to do about our icky
oceans and rivers...
Mom: If you MESS it up, you CLEAN it up! What's so hard about that?
TV: I will continue to invest in a strong defense to keep this country
a safe place for the homeless people to live.
Mom: SEND YOURSELF TO BED WITH NO DINNER YOUNG MAN !!!
Mom, in the last frame says to Cathy "This country doesn't need
a president. It needs a mother."
ASP
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265.10 | Not sure of time-frame... | SALEM::LUPACCHINO | We are not amused. | Mon Oct 31 1988 15:49 | 5 |
|
BTW, I understand a group of cartoonists have decided to focus on
the problem of homelessness in America in their recent cartoon strips.
am
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265.12 | Cathy 10/26/88 San Jose Mercury | PSG::PURMAL | Formality is anger with its hair combed | Mon Oct 31 1988 15:59 | 26 |
| Andrea is sitting on the couch while Xenith plays on the floor.
The television is on.
TV: Senate Republicans killed a day care subsidy plan this month
preferring to back Bush's plan to give families a $1,000 tax credit
for each child under age 4.
TV: The Bush plan comes to $2.74 per day per child. While no one
could find decent day care for $2.74 a day, his plan would allow
each impoverished family to buy a decent VCR.
TV: Not only would children have something to watch while Mommy
rips her hair out, but each VCR purchase would further boost
the Japanese economy so they could keep boosting our economy
by buying up all our buildings and buisnesses.
TV: Parents, of course, could tape all speeches telling us how well
off we are.
Andrea to Xenith: "Get your bottle honey, Mommy has to go to bed
for four years."
ASP
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265.13 | Last week for homeless | TUNER::FLIS | missed me | Mon Oct 31 1988 16:02 | 5 |
| That seemed to have occured last week, some time. I hadn't heard
of it comming up but noticed over half of the comics running such
themes. Most did a good job too.
jim
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265.14 | Miles to go before I sleep. | SALEM::LUPACCHINO | We are not amused. | Mon Oct 31 1988 16:06 | 4 |
|
.11 Thanks, Steve. I'm about 2 lightyears backed up in my reading.
am
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265.15 | Homeless cartoons 10/25/88 | PSG::PURMAL | Formality is anger with its hair combed | Mon Oct 31 1988 16:10 | 7 |
| re: Homeless cartoons.
My 10/25 comics page has The Lockhorns, Doonesbury, Marmaduke,
Family Circus, Ziggy, Duffy, Cathy, Robotman, Garfield, and For
Better of For Worse all dealing with the homeless.
ASP
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265.16 | | ULTRA::ZURKO | UI:Where the rubber meets the road | Mon Oct 31 1988 16:20 | 6 |
| Well, I thought the one about the government looking like an angel sleeping was
pretty funny.
When you look at the mud-slinging that went on in early politics (Washington
era), you can feel part of a long tradition. Well, I can...
Mez
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265.17 | no simple answers | DOODAH::RANDALL | Bonnie Randall Schutzman | Mon Oct 31 1988 16:32 | 6 |
| Re: .16
Ironically funny, perhaps. Would she like the government to
wake up and start running her life the way the baby does?
--bonnie
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265.18 | This is for w/e 15-Oct | METOO::LEEDBERG | set hidden | Mon Oct 31 1988 16:51 | 15 |
| Maybe it is my sense of humor or something but I thought that they
were all funny or at least got me to smile. I think every country,
business and household needs a good Mother to keep everyone in line,
feed and dress.
_peggy
(-)
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I guess I will have to buy a newspaper
to get copies of this weeks strip. The
Goddess must have been talking to "Cathy"
and her friends.
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265.19 | Now I am scared! | DPDMAI::DAWSON | Love is a many splintered thing | Mon Oct 31 1988 18:35 | 10 |
| RE: .9
MOMMA Bush?.......sounds like a fern giving birth!
MOMMA Duke?.......sounds like a dog I heard of some where!
*Lord who do I vote for NOW? :-)
Dave
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265.20 | is this a tangent? | DOODAH::RANDALL | Bonnie Randall Schutzman | Mon Oct 31 1988 18:48 | 30 |
| re: .18
I think the ones that started 26-October or 27-October are the
ones that were deemed too political. The earlier ones were at
least in character with the speakers, and some of them were funny.
But at the risk of sounding like a spoiled teenager, I have to
disagree wtih you and Ms. Guisewaithe about the country needing a
good mother. It needs compassion, yes, and mothering. But
Cathy's mother is one of the most rigid, meddlesome people
portrayed in comic-dom. There's nothing kind or compassionate
about her. She just wants everybody in line behaving like good
little boys and girls, socially cleaned up, nicely paired off and
having children the way we were taught.
No, thank you.
I don't want to be kept in line.
I don't want to be fed and dressed.
I am old enough to take care of myself, and I don't need some
mother-figure minding my business for me. I may screw up, and
probably will, but I don't intend to come running to mamma to
patch me up when I do.
Now that I think about it, there is a lot of the "Mind me, I know
what's good for you" about Dukakis and his attitudes.
--bonnie
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265.21 | There's a pony in there somewhere... | REGENT::BROOMHEAD | Don't panic -- yet. | Mon Oct 31 1988 20:04 | 5 |
| Bonnie,
How about -- Politicians need [Cathy's] mother. ?
Ann B.
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265.22 | | AKOV11::BOYAJIAN | That was Zen; this is Dao | Tue Nov 01 1988 04:41 | 8 |
| The "homeless day" was an organized attempt on the part of a
number of cartoonists to call attention to the problem. A similar
"call to arms" was done last year on Thanksgiving, on which a
number of cartoonists all focused on starvation as an issue.
Those cartoons were later collected into a book called, if
memory serves, FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
--- jerry
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265.23 | Homeless day | WOODRO::FAHEL | Amalthea, the Silver Unicorn | Tue Nov 01 1988 11:45 | 17 |
| The Homeless Day one that got me was "For Better Or Worse". I don't
remember the exact dialogue, but I do remember the basic idea.
The kids are talking about how one friend has a pool and another
has some other gadget, and the boy says how he hates living in just
a "stoopid" regular house, while two people outside are asking each
other (not exact quotes) "Did you find anything to eat?" "No, I'm
trying to find a place to sleep".
I used to be one of the kids, wanting some new gadget (I believe
at the time it was Cable TV), and my mother telling me that I should
be glad to have a roof over my head.
I believe that Cathy was having one of the political strips that
day. I could be wrong.
K.C.-who-is-sending-my-mom-the-"America-needs-a-mother"-Cathy-strip.
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265.24 | Cathy 10/29/88 San Jose Mercury | PSG::PURMAL | Formality is anger with its hair combed | Tue Nov 01 1988 14:36 | 20 |
| Cathy is riding in her car listening to the radio.
"By Nov. 8, $65 million will have been spent in the Presidential
race. Because of the government's fund-matching program approximately
one-forth of that will have been from our own income tax dollars."
"Candidates will have spent $16 million of our own hard-earned money
trying to convince us they're the most qualified to manage the finances
of the country..."
"While the result is still speculation, there's a growing feeling
that we'll be hearing one strong unified voice on election day..."
At this point Cathy is lifting her arm and screaming "I WANT A
REFUND!!!"
ASP
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265.25 | Cathy 10/31/88 San Jose Mercury | PSG::PURMAL | Formality is anger with its hair combed | Tue Nov 01 1988 14:56 | 19 |
| Cathy is with a group of people standing in front of a television.
The group is filled with people some cheering and some angry. Above
the frame "We've watched the candidates in action ... Seen their
videos ... Heard their sound bites ... Read their claims ... Argued
with our friends"
Cathy leaves the group with a stake of printed material. Above the
frame "And now in the richest tradition of America, we need each
to sit alone, gather the information around us..."
Cathy is sitting on her bed with reading one thing with the others
spread about on the bed around her. Above the frame "...And ever
so calmly and quietly begin to ask ourselves the question we ask
at least every four years ...."
Cathy looks up still sitting in bed and says "Is there still hope
for life on Mars"
ASP
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265.26 | Cathy 11/1/88 San Jose Mercury | PSG::PURMAL | Formality is anger with its hair combed | Tue Nov 01 1988 15:21 | 23 |
| Cathy and Andrea are standing in front of a house, there are some
other women and lots of little ones running around with flags."
Cathy : "What's all this Andrea?"
Andrea : "This year teh women's vote is more critical than ever,
Cathy."
Andrea : "Not only are we electing a president, but the next president
will probably appoint at least three supreme court justices
whose positions on women's issues could shape the future
for our children for another 30 years."
The kids are getting rather rambunctious and one of the other women
is looking at them with concern.
Andrea : "By having Zeniths play group join me in canvassing the
neighborhood, we're turning a grass roots campaign into
something much, much more!"
One of the other women has picked up one of the little munchkins
who is rather messy. She says "A grass stain campaign"
ASP
These are "controversial"?
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265.27 | :):):) | SLOVAX::HASLAM | Creativity Unlimited | Tue Nov 01 1988 16:01 | 3 |
| I think they're great! Thanks, I needed that!
Barb
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265.28 | | AMUN::CRITZ | | Tue Nov 01 1988 16:48 | 4 |
| Mr. Rogers is more controversial than some of these
comic strips. 8-)>
Scott
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265.29 | | APEHUB::STHILAIRE | Food, Shelter & Rhinestones | Tue Nov 01 1988 20:00 | 5 |
| I liked all the Cathy scripts that were put in here. Thanks! I enjoyed
them.
Lorna
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265.30 | do taxes go towards campaign funds? | HACKIN::MACKIN | Jim Mackin, Realtime Applications | Tue Nov 01 1988 20:42 | 6 |
| ... although, unless I'm mistaken, tax dollars are not used in the
matching campaign funds. Doesn't that come from the "check box to have
one dollar of your tax refund put towards the campaign fund?"
I'm not sure how you could get the magnitude of the matching funds
from that alone, though.
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265.31 | taxes | TFH::MARSHALL | hunting the snark | Tue Nov 01 1988 21:02 | 21 |
| re .30:
EVERY DOLLAR the government spends is tax dollars out of YOUR pocket,
one way or another.
> Doesn't that come from the "check box to have
> one dollar of your tax refund put towards the campaign fund?"
Actually that box says, "check box to have one dollar put towards the
campaign fund, your tax refund or the amount you owe will not be
affected". Ever thought about where they get that dollar from? Where
does government get ANY of its money? It either gets it from taxes or
it gets it from printing it ... er borrowing it. Either way, it
eventually comes out of YOUR pocket.
/
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265.33 | | KELVIN::WHARTON | | Wed Nov 02 1988 01:16 | 4 |
| I thought that those scripts were funny. I would imagine that if
I were pro-Bush or pro-Republican I won't have be so tickled.
_karen
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265.34 | this is not a boggler | TFH::MARSHALL | hunting the snark | Wed Nov 02 1988 12:17 | 25 |
| re .32:
Wake up mike,
>.31> EVERY DOLLAR the government spends is tax dollars out of YOUR
>.31> pocket, one way or another.
>
> Even though 75% of all campaign funds come from private
> donations?
>
Does .31 say that all campaign funds come from taxes? No. It says
every dollar the government spends comes from taxes. Does it say
every dollar spent in a campaign comes from taxes? No. It says every
dollar government spends comes from taxes.
"Even though 75% of all campaign funds come from private donations"
is a non-sequiter.
/
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/
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265.36 | Cathy 11/2/88 San Jose Mercury | PSG::PURMAL | Formality is anger with its hair combed | Wed Nov 02 1988 14:03 | 33 |
| Andrea and Zenith are sitting in front of a couch. Andrea is holding
a piece of paper, and Zenith is holding a stack of papers.
Andrea: "Look what mommy wrote Zenith... "25% of the childern in
the United States today live with a single parent. We
need Dukakis because he supports a national day-care plan
and laws to raise day-care standards.""
Andrea is still reading, Zenith is running out of the frame.
Andrea: ""44% of the workforce are women, but women only earn 64%
of what men do. We need Dukakis because he supports laws
for equal pay.""
Andrea is still sitting in fron ot the couch reading, Zenith has
disappeared from the frame.
Andrea: ""80 % of the women will get pregnant during their working
lives. We need Dukakis because he supports job protected
maternity leaves.""
A loud SPLOOSH! appears below what Andrea said.
Andrea is at the bathroom door, Zenith is standing beside a toilet
overflowing with papers and water.
Andrea: "... And 99% of all children under 3 will stuff political
fliers down the toilet before mommy has a chance to hand
them out."
ASP
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265.37 | Where's Andrea's husband ? | PHAROS::RYAN | Some days you eat the bear | Wed Nov 02 1988 14:59 | 8 |
| I've always followed Cathy because she's some one I can relate to.
She doesn't come in the Globe though, which is the paper we
subscribe to, so I'm a little lost because I haven't read it in
a while. My question is, where is Andrea's husband ? Did they
get divorced ? The posted strips imply that Andrea is now a
single mother. Enquiring minds want to know.....
Dee
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265.39 | | TFH::MARSHALL | hunting the snark | Wed Nov 02 1988 19:10 | 15 |
| re .38:
It is a non sequiter because you are equating campaign spending with
government spending. This is not the case. I am saying that every
dollar the government gives to a campaign fund comes from taxes.
This is not the same as saying that every dollar of campaign funds
comes from the government.
Got it?
/
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/
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265.40 | The govt would keep spending, whether it's got it or not | STAR::BECK | Paul Beck | DECnet-VAX | Wed Nov 02 1988 21:40 | 11 |
| To elaborate - campaigns are run by private organizations, not by the
government, and these organizations do their own fund-raising. Some
government monies are funneled to campaign committees as a way to
reduce the need for high-rolling contributors, but once this money is
in the hands of the campaign committees it is out of the government.
However, I wouldn't agree that every dollar spent by the government
comes from taxes. If that were the case we wouldn't have this problem
with the deficit, would we? The government spends an awful lot of money
that doesn't exist. Whether any of that deficit money goes to campaign
funds becomes a matter of who's keeping the books...
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265.42 | the deficit and you | DOODAH::RANDALL | Bonnie Randall Schutzman | Thu Nov 03 1988 11:42 | 61 |
| re: .40
The problem is that not every dollar the government spends
comes from taxes. If it did, we'd be okay.
The government takes out loans for purchases just the same as we
do when we buy housese -- real loans with interest payments and
due dates, only for amounts that stagger the imagination. The
difference is that generally the government doesn't pay back the
loan in monthly installments. Rather, it makes quarterly payments
of the interest and then pays off the principal in one lump sum
when it's due.
Roughly a quarter [I forget the exact number; anybody else
remember?] of the present budget is going to servicing the debt --
making those interest payments, paying service charges for getting
new loans, and all that kind of stuff. The US hasn't retired a
major loan in almost 20 years -- when they come due, we refinance
them.
One of the major consequences of the way the government finances
its deficit spending is that every time it borrows another $4
billion, that's $4 billion that isn't available to finance new
houses, expanded businesses, new equipment for steel mills. It's
not even available to states and cities to build new roads and
repair the airports. And what money is left for regular loans is
at higher interest rates than it would have been otherwise.
Higher interest rates mean that the contractors who are building
new houses have to pay more for the loans that let them finance
the building in the first place. They pass the higher cost on to
you, the homebuyer or renter. [This is not the only factor in
high housing costs, but it is a factor.]
Higher interest rates mean that the department store downtown that
wants to computerize has to pay more for its loan and can't afford
as many computers, so they don't buy as large a system from
DIGITAL and they don't pay for a service contract. Other stores
might not even qualify for a loan. DEC's revenue goes down and so
do our raises. Again, this isn't the only factor affecting
purchasing decisions or our revenue, but it is a major part.
Higher interest rates also mean it costs more to renovate your
store, build a new warehouse, build a new building for your
software engineers, or whatever. It means making do with what
you've got for a little longer -- and that means fewer jobs for
the construction workers who build houses and warehouses and
renovate interiors. It also means that when you do build that
warehouse, it costs more, and those costs get passed on to your
customers. More unemployment, higher prices, fewer places to
live -- you can see where that's leading.
So that's why balancing the budget is so important, and so
difficult. I don't think either major candidate is going to
do a thing about it, either.
Maybe instead of electing a president, we should hire Lee Iacocca
to restructure the economy the way he restructured Chrysler Corp .
. .
--bonnie
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265.43 | Minor nit | BOLT::MINOW | Bush/Horton: for a kinder, gentler, America | Thu Nov 03 1988 11:50 | 8 |
| Part of the budget comes from fees, customs duties, royalty payments, rents,
and other fairly mundane income. (The $45 you pay for a passport isn't
a tax, but is payed to the government.)
This is relevant to Massachusetts: one way in which the state government
is raising revenue without raising taxes is by increasing fees.
Martin.
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265.44 | Probably my first and last note here... | REGENT::SCHMIEDER | | Thu Nov 03 1988 14:01 | 49 |
| I don't have to agree with something or someone to laugh. I was laughing
hysterically all during the second Presidential debate, and I didn't agree
with much of anything that was being said. I was laughing to keep myself
from crying!
Although I don't agree with the view expressed in the cartoon where Cathy's
mom says that what this country needs is a good mother, I laughed. It was
funny because it was in character for her, and because I was able to connect
with the whole sequence due to it being a very natural sequence. I have
several relatives, most of them now dead, who I can easily picture in Cathy's
mom's place in this sequence.
The other strips, for the most part, didn't even make me smile. Not because
of the political view expressed, but because there was no wit to them. There
was no human element. They were just dry statistics, and they weren't even
entirely correct at that (as much as I despise Bush and Reagan, I have a
difficult time with people who automatically equate Republicans with "Evil"
and Democrats with "Good"). What has Dukakis done for day-care in his own
state? We are working for a company that hasn't budged even an inch on
day-care in the seven years I've been here, and we are the largest private
employer in the state. This is a bi-partisan issue, and it's one that BOTH
parties are screwing up. WHY are they screwing it up? It isn't because of
traditional liberal or conservative issues, but is because both parties are
still extremely male-dominated.
I can see why the papers were upset. They expected entertainment, and
received editorials. No wonder they felt the strips inappropriate for the
comics page. That was still no reason to censor them, though. There is no
reason why politics should be singled out. There are other subjects that get
editorialised in the comic strips from time to time as well. Do these strips
ever get censored? I think it's fairly obvious that the Cathy strips in
question WERE effective, and so papers with more of a Republican leaning
pulled them.
WHY were they effective? They were effective because, in spite of their
political bias, they brought up issues and statistics that have been all but
ignored by the mainstream press during their "boxing match" style coverage of
the Presidential election. The press has successfully fallen victim to Bush's
ploy to keep the issues out of the race, so the issues brought up in the Cathy
strips might have inadvertantly educated some people and influenced them to
vote the "wrong way".
Here I was proud of how I had successfully kept my personal notebook down to
one notes file for almost a year now, and Jerry Boyajian had to provide a
pointer to this file in the Comics notesfile! Maybe I can muster the strength
to delete it from my notebook after I exit this note...
Mark
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265.45 | Cathy 11/3/88 San Jose Mercury | PSG::PURMAL | I'm tired of the soup d'jour | Thu Nov 03 1988 14:41 | 31 |
| Andrea is standing at Irving's (Cathy's boyfriend) door holding
Zenith, a piece of paper, and an American flag and talking forcefully.
Irving is holding the door open listening.
Andrea: "Since 1981 aid to education has been cut by 16%... funds
for water pollution control have been cut by 43%... child-
care funding has been cut by 28%... the minimum wage has
dropped in real value by 31%."
Irving holds the piece of paper and looks at it.
Irving: "Andrea, there's nothing more annoying as someone who's
stopped by the Democratic headquarters and picked up a
bunch of their statistics."
The door is closed and Irving is walking away from it, Andrea is
presumably on the other side of the door.
Irving: "If you want to talk politics, come back when you have fair,
non-partisan, non-subjective facts."
The doorbell rings.
Andrea is back in front of the open door, Irving holding it open.
Andrea: "Four out of the last 10 vice-presidents have become
president."
ASP
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265.46 | | TFH::MARSHALL | hunting the snark | Thu Nov 03 1988 15:22 | 30 |
| re .41:
.30 was talking about *matching* campaign funds. That is, the money
that the government gives to campaigns. s/he stated that s/he thought
that they did not come from taxes but came from citizens donating a
dollar of their tax *refund* to the fund.
From this the chain of reasoning leading to my response in .31 is
that *matching* funds are government spending, government's only
source of income is taxes, thus those matching campaign dollars
are from taxes.
I will concede that the government also has some sources of income
other than taxes in the form of direct fees (re .43). But do they
represent any really significant part of the budget?
re .42:
When I say taxes, I also include future tax revenues, which is
essentially what deficit spending is. Same with Savings Bonds, the
only bond (promise) behind a Savings Bond is that in the future
the government will have sufficient tax revenue to pay the bond.
A Savings Bond is a promise to tax.
/
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265.48 | What was misrepresented? | PSG::PURMAL | I'm tired of the soup d'jour | Thu Nov 03 1988 16:32 | 8 |
| re: .47
I fail to see what data is being misrepresented. I'll agree
that the statistic doesn't show the whole picture, but 3 of the
last 4 vice presidents who became presidents did so as a result
of their president leaving office through death or resignation.
ASP
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265.51 | | TFH::MARSHALL | hunting the snark | Thu Nov 03 1988 17:24 | 20 |
| re .49:
> ...it appears that Most News Media are more PRO-Status-Quo and _loyal_
> to the existing tyranny of men in positions of power than they are
> in the Constitution.
Now Eagle, I too am very upet and disappointed when I see a comic
pulled from a newspaper because the editors think it inappropriate.
However, I defend their right to do so. The first amendment protects
speech from regulation by the *government*, it does not require
publishers to print what they do not want to. There is no
Constitutional involvement here at all.
/
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/
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265.53 | I thought it was a great strip | GIGI::WARREN | | Thu Nov 03 1988 17:57 | 16 |
| Nothing was misrepresented.
The qualification "of the last 10 vice-presidents" explains that
she is only talking about a subset (and exactly what subset) and
she does not claim that this is in any way representative of all
history.
Your example "Of the _last four_ flips, heads have come up 75 percent
of the time" is also just a fact. To say "When tossing a coin,
heads comes up 75 percent of the time" would be misrepresentation,
as would "Four out of 10 vice-presidents become president." But
that's not what was said.
-Tracy
-Tracy
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265.54 | implications | TFH::MARSHALL | hunting the snark | Thu Nov 03 1988 19:05 | 12 |
| re .53:
The fact is that the Dukakis campaign has been using that statistical
anomaly to imply that it is likely that Quayle will become president.
It is a reasonable deduction that Cathy's author is trying to make
the same implication.
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265.55 | | MANTIS::PARE | What a long, strange trip its been | Thu Nov 03 1988 19:14 | 6 |
| Not that Quayle WILL become president, that he COULD become president.
That afterall, is the primary purpose of a vice president. Why
Bush choose Quayle is what bothers me. It certainly reflects on
his judgement.
Mary
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265.57 | Back to the point.. | TUT::SMITH | Is Fifty Fun? | Thu Nov 03 1988 19:35 | 6 |
| The percentages of cuts quoted in the first part of the comicstrip
were probably accurate figures, too -- but Irving needed a way to
ignore them. He seemed to think they were biased, but the VP figures
are historical fact -- no chance that someone twisted "statistics!"
Nancy
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265.58 | The total U.S. vice president => president figures | PSG::PURMAL | I'm tired of the soup d'jour | Thu Nov 03 1988 20:04 | 4 |
| All right, of the past 43 vice presidents 12 of them have later
gone on to be president.
ASP
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265.59 | | REGENT::SCHMIEDER | | Thu Nov 03 1988 20:30 | 10 |
| RE: .49
I regret that you took the opposite interpretation of what I was trying to
say. In my attempt to be concise, I apparantly left too much unstated so that
it was easy for my description of the Establishment to be interpreted as my
own views. Your rebuttal to my own message is pretty much what I thought I
was saying in my own message. I apologise for offending you.
Mark
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265.61 | | EVER11::KRUPINSKI | Warning: Contents under pressure | Fri Nov 04 1988 02:06 | 9 |
| 1) Does this mean that if Dukakis is elected, there is a 40%
chance we'll get Bentsen instead? A silver lining to every
dark cloud.
2) As a staunch defender of the 1st Amendment I'd be outraged
if someone tried to force a newspaper to publish this or
that cartoon.
Tom_K
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265.62 | Cathy 11/4/88 San Jose Mercury | PSG::PURMAL | I'm tired of the soup du jour | Fri Nov 04 1988 14:13 | 24 |
| Cathy, her mother, and Andrea are sitting at a table with salads
in front of them. Zenith is on Andrea's lap.
Andrea: "When the Republicans talk about the thriving economy they've
built, they don't mention that their economy requires most
mothers to work outside the home to try to help pay the
bills."
Andrea: "When they talk about family values they don't mention that
they've consistently voted against any legislation that
would help struggling working mothers out of the hole."
Andrea: "When women have no choice but to work more and spend less
time with their children what do Republicans think all
those children are going to do?"
Mom: "Children will do what they've always done, Andrea."
Mom: "Grow up and blame their mothers"
ASP
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265.64 | on the radio | DOODAH::RANDALL | Bonnie Randall Schutzman | Fri Nov 04 1988 16:41 | 7 |
| ~--e--~ Eagles_Suppose_It_Was_UNethical_Of_CATHY_2_B_"Political"
Eagle, yesterday morning I heard a publisher on the radio quoted
as saying this in so many words. Well, he didn't refer to himself
as an eagle, but otherwise he said exactly the same thing.
--bonnie
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265.66 | Cathy 11/5/88 San Jose Mercury | PSG::PURMAL | I'm tired of the soup du jour | Mon Nov 07 1988 15:12 | 23 |
| Cathy is sitting in front of her television.
TV: "In a startling election poll reversal, 93% of all American
voters now report being miffed tha on one ever calls them when
they're conducting polls"
TV: "This is up from last week's poll, which showed that 52% would
rather listen to polls than watch the new fall TV season."
TV: "While 37% think the polls ARE the new fall TV season, the 76%
who formerly said they ignore polls are now divided among 8%
who like polls, 27% who make up their own polls, and 41% who
say they'll vote against polls just to put them out of buisness."
TV voice1: "And now lets hear what the candidates have to say in
these critical last days before the election ..."
TV voice2: "Oops. Sorry, we're out of time John ..."
ASP
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265.67 | Cathy 11/6/88 San Jose Mercury | PSG::PURMAL | I'm tired of the soup du jour | Mon Nov 07 1988 15:18 | 42 |
| The TV is on in a rather messy room.
TV: "One of the key differences between Republicans and Democrats
is how they'll handle child care... Yet surprisingly few women have
been heard from on this important point.
Andrea rushes into the room carrying Zenith and a broom. She shouts
at the TV.
Andrea: "Women who work full time and do all the shopping, cooking
and cleaning for a husband and children do not have time
to write editorials for their TV stations."
TV: "Does this mean the Republican program is adequate?"
Andrea: "What program?? 67% of mothers witg children under age
three work full time. We don't have time to send telegrams
begging for help to the White House."
TV: "Maybe the Democrat's plan for government -sponsored day care
isn't necessary... Maybe we don't need the Democrat's program
for guaranteed maternity leave.
Andrea: "Women who can't afford to feed their children, or who could
be fired for taking more than two weeks off to gove birth,
can't fly to Washington for support rallies."
TV: "Well, I guess we'll find out on election day. Are working
moms content with the status quo..."
TV: "or has a whole new force started to sweep the nation?"
At this point Andrea is sweeping the floor with a big grin on her
face.
ASP
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