Conference turris::womannotes-v2

    I've been running in detached/disengaged mode for 2 months now (after
    being attached for a majority of the past 7 years). And things are 
    *just fine*.  I feel so free!  Why didn't someone tell me about 
    this sooner...?

    Seriously, it's taken courage and fortitude, but I'm on my way.
    I never would have gotten here without the support of my friends
    (virtual as well as physical).  Sometimes LATline=lifeline, eh?
    
    thanx again,
    
    -Jody
    

    Monday I received my first tax bill for land I purchased in Maine
    last year...
    
    Considering that I was always an 'et al' in the past it is good
    to get this bill in my 'own' name.
    
    

    	I'm working on the 4th month of separation after 17 years
    	of marriage!!!  I love it!!!  Since we decided to split up
    	I've lost 40 pounds by working hard to become physically
    	fit!!!  My tennis game is improving.  I went backpacking for
    	the first time in my life.  I'm learning ballroom dancing.
    	
    	The only drawbacks are:  I need some new clothes, I have
    	a black eye from getting hit by a tennis ball, and I think
    	filling out these divorce papers are worse than doing the
    	income tax.
    
    	And Vivian... I would love to join you on your celebration
    	day...name the time and place!  
    
    		Sherry

    	Sherry,
    
    	Get the funny thing with the strings in front of your face,
    	no matter what.
    
    	I must admit to hitting my very pregnant wife in the abdomen
    	on the tennis court years ago. First daughter Heidi was born
    	with WILSON stamped on her bottom 8*-)> Doctor and nurses
    	were curious about that (more smileys).
    
    	Scott (Never come to the net on a short ball)

Yesterday I swam a mile in less than 40 minutes. Well, okay, so maybe I'll
never make the olympic team, and maybe the water was fast that day but I
did it...:-).

Jenna (don't go too fast but I go pretty far)

	I rode my bicycle to work twice now (last wednesday, and today).

	I have to rest a lot and walk the bike for part of it (it's
	almost all up some very steep hills on the way to work), but
	I didn't turn around and drive the car like I was tempted to.
	I'll let you know when I can ride the whole way!

	...Karen

    re .4
    
    Scott,
    
    thanks for the advice ;*)  my eye is turning various shades of
    yellow and green...a real yck...
    
    I did play tennis the day after with a guy 6'1" and after loosing
    the first set 2-6 cause I was hiding behind that funny thing with
    strings, I wiped him out 6-2, 6-3!  He says he wants a rematch!
    
    He's just "out of shape"...
    
    And just before the match I competed in an orienteering meet
    walking/running about 5K in the mountains (I came in third!).

    	sherry

    After nine years of living without a mate I have just completed
    (yesterday) five fantastic months of living with a wonderful
    man.  
    
    It may not seem like much to some of you but for me it is a
    major milestone.  I also know those month are going to add up
    to years.
    
    Here's to us Sugar!
    

    My first major milestone will occur on September 3, 1988.  I will
    be getting married to the most wonderful man in the world.  He is
    a DECie too.  We met here (NIO) as a matter of fact, introduced by
    a mutual friend.  I congratulate all of you celebrating divorce
    if you at last feel your freedom that's great!!  I hope you will
    also celebrate my marriage with me in thoughts on the 3rd.
    
    Thank_you_from_a_new_noter
    
    Michelle

    
    Michelle, Does Tim know you posted this??
    
    Just joshin'.
    
    am

    Yes I told him after I posted it. (tee hee)
    
    Michelle

    Re : 55.9
    
    Boy does this sound familiar ! My most major milestone will be
    occurring the following month (October 8). I too will be getting
    married to a DECcie (GOSOX::Ryan), whom I met thru notes. 
    
    Actually, for me though, the wedding is not the significant mile-
    stone. My real mile stone was getting over my fear of trying for things
    I wanted (which includes my new job, new apartment,  and general new 
    life of my own, which I am now ready to share !) 
    
    Congratulations to every one on your milestones,
    
    Dee
       

    	Friday of this week will mark the beginning of 7 weeks without
    a cigarette.  I didn't think I could really do it.  I didn't tell
    anyone for the first 2 weeks in case I failed....
    
    Anna
    

    Late last month I won my very first election!  I was elected President
    of the Alumni Association at my college.  One of the nice things
    was that the administration had their "fair haired boy" already
    groomed for the position and expected no opposition.  They KNEW
    they would have a "yes" man, and instead they ended up with (gasp!),
    a WOMAN. (I DO live in Utah--Patriarch City in the extreme where
    a woman's place is in the home and under a man's thumb.)  It was
    a milestone for me, and a shocker for the "good ol' boys" at the
    top.  I feel WONDERFUL!  It's so much fun and soooo exciting, and
    more than makes up for all those school elections I didn't win because
    I was "lard barrel".  Watch out Governor, here I come!
    
    Barb

    .14 also
    
    Did you run for the "position" or just to "get" the "ole boy network"?
    
    No sarcasm, just sounds like the later....

    Re .15:
    
    I was using a cliche. He was a man.  No offense intended.
    
    Re .16:
    
    I ran for several reasons: 1) I was asked by a friend who knew the
    position was going to be open because she felt I would do an
    outstanding job, and because she knew how much I care about my college.
    She also felt that I had the ability to wade through a lot of politics
    without collapsing under pressure; 2) I ran because I felt that
    I might be able to make a difference in the way others viewed my
    alma mater and help the students; and 3) I did not intend to "get"
    the "ole boy network", but after the election, I can't say I wasn't
    glad that the "people's choice" won over the "ole boys" choice.
    An election should be fair, NOT pre-ordained.  If you knew the
    inordinate amount of chauvinism that prevails in Utah--far beyond
    any state that I've ever lived in, you might understand exactly
    how much it takes for a woman to do anything; so, yes, I feel damn
    good about it--no matter how it sounds to anyone else.
    
    Barb
    

    
    I completed Lifespring Basic last Sunday.
    
    That was the most powerful experience in my life, bar none.
                                                               
    

    I (with equal help from the other party) have just climbed
    the first steps towards rebuilding a friendship that was
    almost totally destroyed by thoughtlessness.
    
    On one level, this doesn't seem like much in comparison to
    some of the other things mentioned here, but this friendship
    was and is very dear to me.
    
    --- jerry

<    I (with equal help from the other party) have just climbed
<    the first steps towards rebuilding a friendship that was
<    almost totally destroyed by thoughtlessness.
<    
<    On one level, this doesn't seem like much in comparison to
<    some of the other things mentioned here, but this friendship
<    was and is very dear to me.
<<    
<    --- jerry

Jerry, I can't think of anything more important than the honor of someone
caring enough to rebuild a broken friendship. It's when things get tough that
our real values emerge. Sometimes we have to lose things before we know they
were valuable. liesl

    I've broken into leading 5.6's at the Gunks.  I felt good leading
    "Madame Grunnebaum's Wulst" on Saturday.  Then I went over to lead
    "Shockley's Ceiling" on Sunday (this climb gave me fits two years
    ago when I followed it) and took my first leader fall on the ceiling
    (only about 2 feet because I knew I was coming off, so I could tell
    my second to take up the slack).  The protection really worked!
    I was fine, and I got right back up and completed the climb in *style*!

    I *know* big congratulations are in order here (Congratulations,
    Ellen!), but I'm afraid I'm not certain what all the congrats
    are for.  I'm pretty sure part of it's for being alive to write
    about the climbs (yow!), but as one who's uninitiated to the language
    of climbing, some of the references are lost on meself.  Couldst
    write a tad on "5.6's", "Gunks", "M. G.'s W", etc?  Wouldst?
    
    Thanx (and again, huzzah!)
    
    Steve
    

    Ok, Steve, I'll save Ellen a bit of explaining (feel free to jump
    in, tho!) and give you a bit of glossary:
    
    5.6:  Terrain is rated from Class 1 to Class 6.  Class 1 is a sidewalk,
          2, tough hike; 3 some "clambering" required, 4 - need a rope
          for safety, Class 5 is technical rock climbing, class 6 is
          a pure equipment climb, drilling holes, pounding pitons, and
          working from equipment to equipment.
    
      Within Class five, things are divided up into subdifficulty levels,
    with 5.0 being easiest.  Formerly, it went up to 5.9, then to 6.0,
    but with new levels of "protection" (see below) and technology
    (improved boots, better physical fitness, etc) it became possible
    for a leader (again, below) to actually climb rocks/cracks/faces
    which were tougher than 5.9.  Ratings climbed to the current high
    of 5.14, with sub-subdivisions within each, hence 5.10a to 5.10d.
          
    Gunks:  The Shawangunks, in New York State.  Popular climbing/hiking
            place.
    "Madame Gunnebaum's Wulst":  Names of particular routes across a
            rock are often given somewhat whimsical names; these names
            are often given by the first person to "plot" and perform
            the route.
    Leader: The first person (the one who climbs ahead of the rope,
            putting "protection" behind herself (in this case :^). 
            Leading is more difficult than following, often requiring
            one to hang on with one hand in a difficult position while
            placing protection with the other.  It's also more dangerous,
            since the leader will fall twice the distance to her last
            protection (if 5 feet above last "anchor", then will fall 
            10 feet.
    Second: The second person up, also called the belayer.  Second belays
            the leader up the pitch; leader places protection until
            [a good spot to rest|the top|run out of rope], and then
            reciprocates for the second, belaying (using the rope in a 
            protective manner) until the second arrives at the leader's
            spot.
    Protection:  Formerly, based on pitons, and simple chocks
            (friction-hold, various sizes/shapes).  Now, technology
            has introduced camming devices and other quicker/safer/less
            damaging to the rock types of things, allowing formerly
            "unprotectable" (read dangerous) climbs to be attempted
            and performed.
    
    Hope this helps.
    
    I've already forwarded my congrats to Ellen.
    
    climb safe!
    Bill

    does 2 years without a cigarette count as a milestone?
                                                   
                  /
                 (  ___
                  ) ///
                 /                                
    
    (last cigarette friday-before-Labor-Day, 1986)

    Yes, congratulations!
    
    My personal milestone is that I learned to shoot (clay targets),
    something that I have wanted to do since high school.
    	Linda

    Several months ago, we were told that our group (Data Center and
    related matters) would be taking over Network Support and we would
    all have to be trained in depth on that very vast subject. As we
    couldn't all get the training at the same time (your Data Center
    may run itself with just robots, but ours certainly doesn't!), our
    manager gave us all a self-paced course to follow, and had us fill
    in the test questions. The one with the best marks would be the
    first to get the training. As you have all guessed by now, I came
    out first, with 115 points out of 125 (the second one got 108),
    and am starting a 3-month training period, from September 26th to
    December 23rd. To put things in perspective, our group is a small
    one (6 people), of whom I am the only woman, and 2 of the men have a 
    much wider technical experience than I have.  
    
    I am not entering this note just to boast about my success (though
    I feel like a cat given a saucer of thick cream), but because I
    won't be noting as off Friday and for the next 3 month, and wouldn't
    like people to believe I have gone off in a pique. I'll be back
    in Notes in January, and may try to "read" if I have some free time
    in between.
                              
    Joana                 
    

    The birth of my son Sam is my greatest milestone.  After
    36 hours of labor and times when I thought "I really can't
    do this" (as if I had a choice!) I pushed him out in 42 minutes.
    
    I remember the feeling when I was pushing - finally didn't
    really feel the pain of labor - too busy *P*U*S*H*I*N*G - 
    what a rush!
    
    Dorothy
    

    After almost 20 years of working, I have never had credit, 
    I've never been able to purchase anything that was brandnew,
    my exhusband destroyed our credit, I had never been able to buy 
    without help from family,  paid for every car I have ever
    owned in cash, (the most expensive being $700), I have just, for the
    first time in my life, all by myself, with no co-signer, without
    my parents help, bought a brand new car!!!!
    
    I am now looking to by a bra for the car, do they sell the kind
    that cover the entire car???
    
    still have a stupid grin on my face.......
    
    vivian

.28>I am now looking to by a bra for the car...

    Say WHAT?  I asume from Eagles' response it must be real,
    but, gee...what does it do, hold the tires in close to the
    body to keep them from bouncing uncomfortably...?

    -- Linda (baffled and giggling)

    Linda,
    
    I asked a question about this in askenet a while back! :-)
    
    Car bras are those ugly black things that fit over the front
    of a car to keep it from collecting 'dings' in the paintwork.
    
    They are to me, however, so ugly that I think the cure is worse
    than the problem! ;-)
    
    Bonnie

    Next thing you know, they'll be making slipcovers for the tires
    so they don't get dirty ....

    G'Day,
    
         Re: .33 (dir/tit=bra)
    
         I'll probably be slammed as sexist etc but I could not help
    but see the humourous side of the above especially in this conference.
    
         I hope others find it amusing and not degrading.
    
    David.
    
    

    ok. now that we've discussed auto bras a bit, could we get back
    to the main discussion about milestones and accomplishments? those
    who wish to discuss automobiles and their coverings are welcome
    to start a new basenote.
    
    thanks
    liz

    Up until four years ago, I've only bought used cars, and with
    one exception, paid for them in full right off the bat. Four
    years ago, I bought my first brand-spanking-new car, and as of
    November 1st, it's all paid for and it's all *mine* (well, DCU
    hasn't given me the title yet, but...)
    
    Boy, that feels good.
    
    --- jerry

    Congratulations, Vivian!  That's a BIG accomplishment!
    
    -Tracy
    

    Well, let's see. I just bought a new car, too, but as it wasn't my
    first it doesn't really count as a milestone, I guess. However, I
    recently completed (actually, stood around watching as the contractors
    completed) repairs to the foundation of my house. As this entailed
    pouring a new foundation and moving the house onto it, then filling in
    the old one and pretty much terraforming the entire lot (not to mention
    consuming nearly all of my available capital), it was a not
    inconsiderable achievement. 
    
    It was also the major milestone for which a vast list of Things
    to Do has been waiting ever since the original foundation problem
    was discovered. Now, at last, I can proceed with *normal* house-type
    stuff, without worrying that it would all come to naught when the
    house sank...

    (p.s. I *howled* at the DCL faux pas (or was it a Freudian bra -
    er, slip) in .33 - it's a classic!)
    
    -b

    IN NOVEMBER OF 1988, I RECEIVED MY CPS CERTIFICATION (CERTIFIED
    PROFESSIONAL SECRETARY), AFTER PASSING 6 TWO HOUR EXAMS IN ACCOUNTING,
    BUSINESS LAW, ECONOMICS, BEHAVIORAL SCIENCE, OFFICE ADMINISTRATION
    AND COMMUNICATION, AND OFFICE TECHNOLOGY.
    
    THE BRAIN STILL RETAINS!
    
    

    well, today its official.  I am divorced after almost 11 years
    seperation. ( I had to be sure ;-)
    
    I have a couple of bottles of non-alcoholic bubbly at my desk, if
    your in colorado, stop on by!!!
    
    vivian

    re .41 So, what are you doing Saturday night ? (had to be
    sure :-) )

    A friend suggested that I might want to put this in its own base
    note called, "What women give up for love," but I really see this
    as a story of achievement, not a tale of woe... though I'll admit
    that I did go on a bit longer than I'd intended about what happened
    to me along the way.
    ...................................................................
    
    I'm not very good at blowing my own horn, except maybe in a job 
    interview, where it's pretty safe because if they like you, you don't 
    seem immodest to the interviewer (just confident) and if they don't
    like you, you don't get the job and you never have to see them again
    :-)   But recently I accomplished something that has made me very
    proud, and I want to tell folks about it.

    This past Sunday I got my Bachelor's degree from BU in Sociology.  I
    had been working on this degree for 9 years off and on.  I was a full time 
    student for 3 semesters, and then I started part time at BU's
    Metropolitan College (a continuing ed. program) in 1981, and graduated
    from Met College this Sunday (5/21/89).

    I'm proud that I got this degree (I managed to do well, too!), and I'm 
    relieved that I don't have to go to school anymore and that I don't have
    to explain in every interview why I don't have my degree.  This degree
    has another meaning for me, too, and it's one that I bet lots of women who
    have left and then returned to school (or thought about returning
    to school) can relate to.

    A lot of women leave college to get married (that might be less common 
    these days, but it still happens).  I did something like that (though
    I wouldn't have admitted it at the time); I left school to run off with
    an older woman.  She was finishing her Master's degree, and I was a
    freshman.  I had known that I was a lesbian since I was about 15 or 16,
    but as a 17-year old college freshman, I had never had a real romantic 
    relationship with anyone.  Even though I felt good about my academic
    achievements (I was a good student and had gone to some fine schools),
    and even though I had some confidence in my ability to "make something
    of myself" in the professional world, nothing was as important to me
    as being loved.. by someone, anyone.  And when this woman came along, I
    *knew* that I would never get another chance, so I left college
    in the middle of my sophomore year.  

    I abandoned my friends because they "didn't understand" why I would
    want to leave college for this woman who didn't seem to be worried
    about what it would mean for me to give up everything just to be with
    her.  My relationship with my parents was already strained, but this 
    pretty much ended my relationship with my father -- he hasn't spoken
    to me since.  Perhaps even more important than the loss of those 
    relationships was the destruction of my self esteem.  As you might
    have guessed, self esteem was always an issue for me, but leaving the
    one arena in which I felt successful, school, just about wiped out
    what little self esteem I had.  I found myself living in the suburbs 
    without a car, with a low-paying, "white-shoes" waitressing job, and
    with a woman who might have once been attracted to me because of my
    intelligence but who gradually lost interest in and respect for a woman
    who had stopped growing when she herself was moving forward.

    I was too stubborn to admit that I'd made a mistake.  I felt that I had
    burned my bridges, and even though looking back now I can see that I
    still had lots of choices, at the time I felt stuck, and so I stayed
    and stayed.  Fortunately, I did start taking classes at BU, but I knew
    that it would take a long time to finish part time.  I interrupted
    my course work to follow my lover to Phila. so that she could work
    on a PHD, but she was homesick, and we moved back to the Boston area,
    and I got a job at DEC.

    Working at DEC meant that I didn't have to work two jobs to afford school,
    and it also meant that I had a chance at some professional growth.  
    Gradually, my self confidence began to rise, and I began to see how angry
    I was at my partner and at the life I was leading.  She was not happy
    with the change in me, and what for some time had been a bad
    relationship got really bad.  At that point we had been together for
    three years, and it took me another year to break free.  During that
    year of emotional upheaval I didn't go to school, and I hadn't gone
    while we were in Phila., so you can see why it took me so long to finish.

    It was scary to be alone at first.  I had never paid a utility bill or 
    gotten a car loan -- I just handed over my paycheck every week and was
    assured that she was subsidizing me.  (Ha!  Less than a year after we split
    up, she bought a house -- we had been living like paupers, and all the
    while she was saving our money for HER future.... but I digress.)
    Anyway, as scary as it was to be alone, it really scared me to see how
    far I had fallen.  At that point I knew that setting a goal (like
    finishing my degree) and seeing it through no matter who or what came
    along in my life was really important for me to feel successful and for
    me to heal the damage that I had allowed to happen to me.  I had given
    away the only thing that I felt good about, and now that I had proven
    to myself that I could survive even without this degree that I had
    been brought up to believe was all important, I saw that I could let
    myself have this degree just because I wanted it.  I'm not trying to 
    say that everyone should go to school or finish school, but for me it was 
    important.

    So... after 9 long years, many of which were quite scary and painful, 
    I've finally finished, and it feels very good.
    
    Justine
                            

    
    re:.43
    please accept my congradulations; and thanks for sharing your story
    with us...it is both compelling and inspiring.
    

    Good for you, Justine!  It makes it doubly special that you have
    achieved this goal in spite of emotional hardships.  Keep up the
    momentum.  The world is truly "your oyster."
    
    Hugs,
    
    Barb

                             -< Hip, hip, hurrah! >-

                             -< Hip, hip, hurrah! >-

Congratulations, Justine!  I can relate to your story only too well.  
I'm very proud and happy for you.

    
    way to go justine! that's a major accomplishment even without the
    stumbling blocks you experienced.
    
    ~robin
    

    Congratulations, Justine!  And thanks for sharing this with us.
    
    -Tracy
    

    Major congratulations, Justine!
    

    I started at DEC as an internal temporary secretary in Feb. 1985. I had
    never used a computer before. I managed to get a "real" internal job as
    a Department Coordinator in June 1986.

    Nov. 27, 1989 I will become a Software Engineer II, working with the
    Apple/Digital Alliance group. (And if all goes as planned, I will
    receive my Masters in Computer Science from Boston University in Dec of
    1992.)

    I think I am justified in feeling a great deal of satisfaction and
    pride in this accomplishment. Not bad for less than 4-1/2 years of
    pulling myself up by my bootstraps (and a lot of encouragement and
    assistance and information from my friends).

    Tamzen

    What a great note! Congratulations and GOOD FOR YOU!
    
    	-- Charles

Time, European edition, No. 48 (milestones):

RELEASED. The 29-year-old U.S. jogger who was raped, beaten and left
comatose by a gang of teenagers in New York City's Central Park last April;
from a hospital for physical therapy; in Wallingford, Conn. An investment
banker, she has recovered spectacularly from the assault, which doctors
first feared would leave her with permanent brain damage. Despite dizzy
spells, the victim reportedly runs five miles daily and is determined to
testify against her alleged attackers.

    For the past 6 months Beth Rust and I (dba The DDIS Toolkit project)
    have been slaving away to create an ASN.1 (Abstract Syntax Notation 1)
    compiler from scratch.  I designed it and together we implemented it.
    The ASN.1 language is used by OSI (Open System Interconnect)
    applications as well as CDA (Compound Document Architecture)
    applications.  On 24-Jan-1990 we released a working baselevel!  Only 
    a few minor bug reports so far... 

    
    but does it work right on Ultrix/RISC.......?

        o  Being promoted to Senior Eng.

           And having a manager or engineer in several other groups seek
        me out for interviews to work with them.  The last month or so
        has been an incredibly validating experience for my work-self.
        Coming straight out of college, I had lots (9) of opportunities,
        and since then I've wondered more than once if I made the right
        decision (in coming to Digital and choosing engineering), if what
        I was learning was important, if what I was learning would ever
        be applicable again, etc.  Feedback received during both
        technical and manager-type interviews was such a boost.  People I
        work with are bright, talented, and fun, and I have a totally
        cool supervisor.  What more could I want?  well...


        o  Making an appointment with a therapist

           To try and resolve why I continue to have nightmares stemming
        from the rape.  I've adapted pretty well to having nightmares on
        a regular basis (it doesn't take a long time to go back to sleep
        anymore, or I am woken up before things get too out-of-hand), so
        I'm not doing this out of desperation.  Also, I am at peace with
        myself about Him being out of prison.  If He does decide to get
        revenge, and _if_ He can track me down, nothing He can do could
        be worse than before.  Not to be morbid or anything, but if I
        turn up unexplainably murdered, you all will know what happened,
        and He will probably be caught and spend life in jail.  And then
        maybe I will understand what spirituality is all about.  Making
        an appointment is an accomplishment because my first (and only)
        experience with a therapist soon after the incident was so...
        negative for me.  I didn't want to talk about anything I was
        asked, and just wanted to leave that uncomfortable situation
        ASAP.  Being able to talk about so many related issues here (in
        =wn=) will hopefully help me to talk about it with someone in the
        flesh.


        o  Turning 25

           Not as big a deal as turning 28, but it's something I probably
        should make time to meditate on sometime soon.  Checked for
        wrinkles and grey hairs.  Didn't find any, and almost felt kinda
        disappointed.     Well, I just went to the bathroom to check
        again.  Turning up the lightbulbs around the mirror to maximum
        reveals a slight furrow between my eyebrows when I think hard.
        So there [she says to herself smugly], I can officially be a
        crone-in-training :-].

                                           nancy b.

All wonderful stuff Nancy!
	Mez

    
    Well!! I did it, I am an elected official in the town of Sturbridge.
    I was elected to the Zoning Board of Appeals (ZBA) for a three
    year term.  I have been on the ZBA as an appointee, when someone
    droped out, but my appointment was up and I had to run for the
    position.  I don't know the number of votes I got, but there were
    4 people running for 2 positions and I was told I did very well.
    
    +pat+

re. -1

  MAJOR CONGRATS PAT!!!!!!

    Yay Pat! Congratulations and good luck!!
    
    (Say. If ya wanna run for governor, I'll vote for ya!)
    
    (Maybe you don't need the aggravation, tho'...)
    
    ;-)
    
    

    waytogo, Pat!~!
    
    Grins

    congrats Pat!
    
    Bonnie

    Faaar OUT, Lady!  Fantastic!
    

    uh, can we still call you Pat?  ;')

    Victory!  Good going!
    
    Congratulations!
    
    :)Barb

    
    No man is fully accomplished until he has acquired the ability to
    attend to his own business.
    
    There a 4 steps to accomplishments. Plan purposefully, Prepare
    prayerfully, Proceed positively, Pursue persistently.
    
    A man seldom knows what he can do until he tries to undo what he did.
    
    Every acomplishment, great or small, starts with the right desicion,
    Ill try.
    
    A mans accomplishment in business depends partly on whether he keeps
    his mind or his feet on the desk.
    
    
    
    
                                      Ray
    
    

    With women, of course, the situation is quite different.