Conference turris::womannotes-v2

    these are from "A Woman's Notebook", which is a blank notebook with
    quotes by women and nice pictures and lots of space to write in.
    (there are lots of books like this at "Waldenbooks" and "Lauriats")
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    "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home"
    					Twyla Tharp (choreographer)
    
    "Freedom means choosing your burden"
    					Hephzibah Menuhin (musician)
    
    "One is not born a woman, one becomes one"
    					Simone de Beauvoir (writer)
    
    "I look forward to growing old and wise and audacious"
    					Glenda Jackson (actress)
    
    "My life's a pool which can only hold 
    One star and a glimpse of blue."
    					Mary Riley Smith (poet)
    
    "Time is a dressmaker specializing in alterations"
    					Faith Baldwin (writer)
    
    "Is bliss, then, such abyss
     I must not put my foot amiss
     For fear I spoil my shoe?"		Emily Dickinson (poet)
    
    "Oh! Duty is an icy shadow."	Augusta Evans (writer)
    
    "Fate keeps on happening"		Anita Loos (plywright)
    
    "To love is to be engaged is to work is to be interested is to create"
    					Lina Wertmuller (film director)
    
    "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees"
    				Dolores Ibarruri (Spanish revolutionary)
    
    "I believe that what woman resents is not so much giving herself
    in pieces as giving herself purposelessly"   
    				Anne Morrow Lindbergh (writer, aviator)
    
    "I cannot believe that the unscrutable universe turns on an axis
    of suffering; surely the strange beauty of the world must somewhere
    rest on pure joy!"		Louise Bogan (poet)
    
    "You cannot shake hands with a clenched fist"
    					Indira Gandhi (Indian stateswoman)
    
    "It is hard to fight an enemy who has outposts in your head"
    				Sally Kempton (writer)
    
    "...the function of freedom is to free somebody else."
    				Toni Morrison (educator, writer)
    
    "Look twice before you leap"
    				Charlotte Bronte (writer)
    
    "I have made my world and it's a much better world than I ever saw
    outside"			Louise Nevelson (sculptor)
    
    "That priceless galaxy of misinformation called the mind..."
    				Djuna Barnes (writer)
    
    "After all, tomorrow is another day"
    				Margaret Mitchell (writer)
    
    "The summer moon hung full in the sky.  For the time being it was
    the great fact in the world."
    				Willa Cather (writer)
    
    
    

	"Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living"
								Mother Jones


	"If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution"
								Emma Goldman

    "I would rather be a free spinster and paddle my own canoe"
    		Louisa May Alcott (after visiting her married sister)
    
    "Men, their rights and nothing more: women, their rights and nothing
    less"
    		Susan B Anthony
    
    "Wherever women gather together, failure is impossible"
    		Susan B Anthony
    
    "When a great adventure is offered, you don't refuse it."
    		Amelia Earhart
    
    "Women may be the one group that grows more radical with age.  One
    day, an army of gray-haired women may quietly take over the earth."
    		Gloria Steinham
    
    Related to that:  "As I got older - I got madder"
    		Fannie Lou Hamer, civil rights activist
    
    "You can no longer save your family, tribe, or nation anymore. 
    You can only save the whole world."
    		Margaret Mead
    
    "I have noticed that as soon as you have soldiers the story is called
    history.  Before their arrival it is called myth, folktale, legend,
    fairy tale, oral poetry, ethnography.  After the soldiers arrive,
    it is called history."
    		Paula Gunn Allen
    
    "The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
    and expand her sense of actual possibilities."
    		Adrienne Rich
    
    "i found god in myself
    & i loved her/i loved her fiercely"
    		Ntozake Shange

        

    
    
    	"goin' crazy was the best thing ever happened to me.
    	 I don't say it's for everybody;
    	 some people couldn't cope."
    		    
    		       Trudy in
                      _The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in
    	                            the Universe_
     					by Jane Wagner
    
    
    	"One thing I have no worry about is whether
    	 God exists.
    	 But is has occurred to me that God has Alzheimer's and has
    	 forgotten
    	 we exist.
    
    		       Lily in
                      _The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in
    	                            the Universe_
     					by Jane Wagner
    		
    

    This is one I always remember!
    
    "Any man who turns me down is a fool"  Shirley Maclaine.
    
    
    
    I great confidence restorer.

    
    "Ginger Rogers did everything Fred Astaire did, only she did it
    backwards and in high heels"
    
    			
    Richards said it in her keynote address at the Democratic Convention,
    but I'm sure I've heard it before.
                                                   
                  /
                 (  ___
                  ) ///
                 /
    

"Bravery is when you are scared, but you do it anyway."

                        - Carol Johns  (although I'm sure other women have
                                        said similar things)

    'How can men be such lummoxs, such wads of Juicy Fruit on the soles
    of our ballet slippers, and still feel so good?'
    	Tom Robbins, Still Life With Woodpecker
     

    
    
    "Loneliness, and the feeling of being unwanted, is the most terrible
    poverty."         
    				  - Mother Teresa (From "Ladies Day," Modern
                                                         Secretary magazine
                                                         

    re -.1
    
    Yeah, yeah...

    "If we destroy the images we have of male and female, we do not
     release people - we strip them of their identity and behavior 
     that are vital to them."
    
                                        - Arianna Stassinopoulos

    " ... after the achievement of suffrage, the British movement, like
    the American, disintegrated. What the English lacked, despite their
    sense of togetherness which cut across class lines and political
    allegiances, was an ideology. Without a clearly defined theoretical
    position, no cause can weather the storms of disappointment and
    defeat, nor the sometimes equally devastating effects of victory.
    Suffrage provided the women's movements with a program, under which
    mass organization and even a feeling of pride in sisterhood might
    flourish, but which could not supply the intellectual basis to sustain
    the moment.
    
      The old feminism (US or Europe) never moved beyond the stage of
    advocating reform. Despite ... some ... ideological works ... such
    as those by John Stuart Mill and Friedrich Engels - feminism lacked
    and still has not developed a viable theoretical foundation.
    
      Can the new feminism breach the obstacles (by attacking men and
    male-dominated institutions)...?  The current movement already has
    achieved much ... To move outside the reformist realm and try to
    effect fundamental changes in the structure of existing institutions,
    principally the family, is the dangerous yet exciting mission that
    today's ... feminists have undertaken... [Today]... Improved
    contraception, safer childbirth and abortion, effective treatment
    of VD, have made possible woman's control of her own body. 
    
      Other medical advances,..(have made it).. socially useful for
    women to limit their families to one or two (or no) children. 
    Technological developments have further mechanized domestic chores.
    Finally, large numbers of women have received higher education and
    expect a full role in society.
    
      All these factors have greatly affected the perspectives and
    attitudes of women. It seems possible that a material basis for
    profound change in M-F relations and the relation of women to the
    society may now exist. But an enormous movement of women, whether
    organized or not, would be required before any such changes could
    occur.  Moreover, a system of ideas - a deepened feminist critique
    of sexual oppression in present society along with a clear definition
    of *broad* future goals - would be essential too."
    
                                  - Miriam Schneir, ('Feminism: The
                                    Essential Historical Writings,'
                                    Random House, 1972).

    A few notable quotes from, EACH DAY, A NEW BEGINNING, Harper, Hazelden.
                                                                   
   "Love is an expression and assertion of self-esteem,
    a response to one's own value in the person of another."  Ayn Rand
                                      
    
    "We could never learn to be brave and patient, if there were
    only joy in the world."   Helen Keller
    
    
    "I want to do it because I want to do it.  Women must try to
    do things as men have tried.  When they fail, their failure
    must be but a challenge to others."   Amelia Eahart
                                      
    
    "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."   
    Eleanor Roosevelt
    
                     
    
    This book has different quotes and lessons for each day.  It
    is very interesting reading.
    
    
    
    Nance-who-is-home-recouperating-from-surgery-awaiting-some-
    non-technical-e-mail!!!     ;^)

"You can accept [the past] and examine it, use what is valuable
from it; or you can return to suffer again and again in whatever
misery you've allready had. Or you can forget it and be ruled by 
it in ways that you'll never understand."

Kate Wilhelm, "Juniper Time"

           The freer that women become, the freer men will be.
           Because when you enslave someone, you are enslaved.
  
                                            -- Louise Nevelson

Be bold. If you're going to make an error, make it a doozy, and don't be afraid
to hit the ball.
	Billie Jean King

    These are quotes from the seminars I do for battered and abused women
    and displaced homemakers.  They are observations I have learned
    from experience.
    
    If life is the proverbial "bowl of cherries" and you feel that you
    have been handed the "pits" then be grateful!  Those who have eaten
    the cherries, have only their taste left behind, while you can plant
    those seeds, nourish them and watch them grow, flower, and bear
    more fruit than you ever dreamed possible.
    
    On support groups/friends...
    
    During a recent trip to Seattle, I discovered that they have three
    main lanes of traffic, the fast lane, the slow lane, and the car
    pool lane.  It made me think of how we live our lives.  There are
    those people who live life in the fast lane and miss a lot of the
    scenery.  There are those who live life in the slow lane, and never
    reach their destination; but those who live life in the car pool
    lane--the least traveled of all, move the furthest, the fastest,
    because they have others sharing the ride with them.

    Barb

    In dealing with bureaucracy, Grace Hopper's formula has been
    delightfully simple:
    
    "If you're damn sure you're right, go ahead and do it; it's much
     easier and quicker to ask forgiveness than to obtain permission."
    
    Huzzah!
    
    Steve

    
    
    "Maybe we women do talk too much, but even then we don't
    
    tell half of what we know."
     

You grow up the day you have your first real laugh - at yourself.
	Ethel Barrymore

I have everything I had twenty years ago, only it's all a little bit lower.
	Gypsy Rose Lee

Dr. Kissinger was surprised that I knew where Ghana was.
	Shirley Temple Black

       "An embryo _has no rights_. Rights do not pertain to a
    _potential_, only to an _actual_ being. A child cannot acquire
    any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over
    the not-yet-living (or the unborn).
       "Abortion is a moral right - which should be left to the
    sole discretion of the woman involved; morally, nothing other
    than her wish in the matter is to be considered. Who can
    conceivably have the right to dictate to her what disposition
    she is to make of the functions of her own body?"
    
    Ayn Rand "Of Living Death"

       "The Portable Curmudgeon" -- a volume that no one should be
       without -- provides the following quotes:
       
           If you can't say anything good about someone, sit right
           here by me.
                       --Alice Roosevelt Longworth
           
           My heart is as pure as the driven slush.
                       --Tallulah Bankhead
           
           Do you know on this one block you can buy croissants in
           five different places?  There's one store called Bonjour
           Croissant.  It makes me want to go to Paris and open a
           store called Hello Toast.
                       --Fran Lebowitz
           
           Children make the most desirable opponents in Scrabble
           as they are both easy to beat and fun to cheat.
                       --Fran Lebowitz
       
       And all of the following are attributed to Dorothy Parker:
           
           [On Katharine Hepburn:]  She runs the gamut of emotions 
           from A to B.
                       
           
           [On being told that Calvin Coolidge had died:] How could they
           tell? 
                                  
           [From a book review:] This is not a novel to be tossed aside
           lightly.  It should be thrown with great force. 
           
           Brevity is the soul of lingerie.
           
           I've been too fucking busy and vice versa

      "Guilt, the gift that keeps on giving"
						Erma Bombeck

I've grown to love quotes about security:

Only in growth, reform and change, paradoxically enough, is true security to be
found.
	Anne Morrow Lindbergh

    The following are two quotes from the novel, "The Fat Woman's Joke,"
    by Fay Weldon.  (I don't necessarily agree entirely with them but I find
    them interesting, funny and clever.)
    
    A mother and grown-up daughter discussing men:
    [daughter] "But, Mother, I don't much care what men think of me.
     No, don't look like that.  I'm not a Lesbian.  I just think it's
    as important what I think of men as what they think of me."

    [mother] "Well, it's not is it?  Women have always tried to make
    themselves attractive to men, and you're not going to change a thing
    like that in a hurry.  Look around you.  All the women nicely groomed
    and attractive and goodlooking, and the men no better than fat slugs,
    for the most part, or skinny runts.  Unshaved and smelly, as often
    as not.  They get away with everything, men.  They can do every
    disgusting thing they like and no one ever says a thing.  Today
    is the seventh anniversary of your father's death."
    
    One woman friend to another during a discussion of men:
    "Women should aspire to be as different as possible from them. 
    You should wear a skirt as a matter of principle.  There must be
    apartheid between the sexes.  Men and women should unite for the
    purpose of rearing children.  Any woman who struggles to be accepted
    in a man's world makes herself ridiculous.  It is a world of folly,
    fantasy and self-indulgence, and it is not worth aspiring to.  We
    must create our own world.  I will lend you a skirt, Phyllis."
    
    One more, woman to husband:
    "You may *know* that I am equal, with your reason, but you certainly
    don't *feel* that I am."
    
    Lorna
    
    

                  "Women are the only people
                   who become more radical
                   as they grow older."

    re 40.30
    
    Gloria Steinem.  The next sentence is (from imperfect memory):  Someday
    an army of gray haired women will quietly take over the world.
    
    Pat

    Thanks, Pat.  Maybe that inspired _Claret,_Sandwiches_and_Sin_.
    
    						Ann B.

    Lorna, those quotes sound a little bit like "sylvia" cartoons!
    
    Holly

	Sylvia cartoons - I have one (it is pretty yellowed now) in my
	4sqr.

	man:  Equal rights for women is unnatural.

	man:  What is natural ...

		is men wanting to protect women.

	Sylvia:  From earning too much money.

	This is attached to my copy of the ERA.

	_peggy
		(-)
		 |
			Simple truths for simple truths.

    I came across a few more lines in "The Fat Woman's Joke" that I
    feel compelled to share:  (I think they're great & funny)
    
    Woman to a friend who has had her breasts enlarged:

    "You ought to be ashamed.  It was a degrading thing to do.  To allow
    your body to be tampered with by a man, for the gratification of
    a man, conforming to a wholly masculine notion of what a woman's
    body ought to be.  That you, a decent woman, should offer yourself
    up as a martyr to the great bosom-and-ass mystique; should pander
    to the male attempt to relate not to the woman as a whole, but to
    portions of the female anatomy; should be so seduced by masculine
    values that you allow your breasts to be slit open and stuffed with
    plastic!....On the day you let that happen to you, Phyllis, you
    became less of a woman... Didn't it hurt?"
    [Phyllis] "Yes."
    [Original speaker] "Serves you right."
    
    [Original speaker continuing on] "It is a fearful thing to be a
    woman in a man's world accepting masculine values and aping
    masculinity.  It would be perfectly acceptable being a woman if
    only men didn't control the world.  If only it were possible to
    gracefully and gratefully accept their seed to create children,
    yet feel obliged to neither accept their standards nor their opinion
    of womankind, which is, let's face it, conditioned by fear, resentment
    and natural feelings of inferiority."
    
    [Woman talking to woman friend] "I went mad once.  It was very
    interesting.  I got very depressed after my father died and drank
    a bottle of bleach.  It didn't kill me but I couldn't swallow for
    months and I got quite thin, and I left Alan to find out what the
    world was like - and do you know what? It was full of men.  So I
    went back to Alan.  And do you know what?  Alan's no different from
    all the others.  You live with them for years, you clean and cook
    for them, you talk to them, you listen to them, you share your children
    with them, and you achieve nothing.  They are still apart from you,
    suspicious of you, wishing and wishing you could be a piece of docile
    flesh, no more.  But we middle-class women are brought up with notions
    of partnership in marriage and that's why we all go mad and end
    up in bed with the plumber."
    
    I love the phrase "the great bosom-and-ass mystique."  (I think
    it would make a good name for a lingerie shop :-).  That's what
    Victoria's Secret is all about!)
    
    Lorna
    

    I see some of these quotes (well, at least one) bordering on the
    "feminist humor - read at your own risk" topic.....please make sure
    you put your quotes where they fit best, okay?
    
    -Jody
    

    Re .36, Jody, this is a personal opinion, and I'm not sure if this
    belongs in the Processing topic with a reference to this topic,
    or not, but it seems clear to me that Peggy put in the Sylvia cartoon
    because Holly had said that the quote I put in from "The Fat Woman's
    Joke" reminded her of Sylvia.  If Peggy had put the Sylvia joke
    in the Feminist Humor topic it wouldn't have had the continuity
    that it did here.  
    
    I do realize that in the future it wouldn't be right to have a series
    of cartoons and jokes in this topic.  However, I also would like to good
    naturedly :-) point out that Fay Weldon's novels are found in the
    *fiction* section of bookstores, *not* the humor shelf with
    Cathy and Sylvia!
    
    Lorna
    

    Yes, Lorna....I simply noticed something and mentioned it - just
    a little reminder to think before you post.  I believe the material
    from "The Fat Woman's Joke" is thought provoking, too.  My note was
    a NUDGE, not an ORDER.  Back to the discussion.
    
    -Jody
    

    I saw one in a magazine I was thumbing through at the Dr's office
    the other day.  I didn't notice who wrote it, but I'm sure it was
    a woman--
    
    "Sure god created man first...
     Don't all geniuses make a rough draft first?"

    "Considering how dangerous everything is, nothing is really very
    frightening."  -Gertrude Stein
    

    "When I was a girl, Saturday meant movies.  Roy Rogers, Gene Autry,
    Hopalong Cassidy, Cisco Kid, and the Lone Ranger were all as much
    a part of our lives as school and the after-dinner dishes.  Guns,
    horses, trail drives, danger, adventure, challenge, and the heroic
    overcoming of all odds.
    
    The boys could identify with the heroes.  We had Dale Evans.  She
    was the one with no guns, the one on the slower horse, who rode
    behind Roy just in time to catch the mud flying from his gallant
    steed's hooves.  Not much of a role model."
    
                                               Anne Cameron, novelist
    
    "...for all the little girls
       who always wanted to
     and never could grow up to be
              cowboys."
                             Anne Cameron
                             dedication at beginning of her novel,
                             "The Journey"
    

      "Between two evils, I always choose the one I haven't tried
      before" Mae West

    Ahhh, Mae West.  This is from some film :
    
    Mae is handing her coat to a cloakroom attendent who gasps at the
    gems dangling around Ms West's neck and says :
    
    "Goodness, Ms West, what fabulous diamonds"
    
    Which prompts the reply :
    
    "Goodness had nothing to do with it  !"
    
       Claire ( AKA REPAIR::TEMP1 )
    
    

                         "What Would You Do If?"
                               by Joan Baez

    "OK, you're a pacifist.  What would you do if someone were, say,
    attacking your grandmother?"

    "Attacking my poor old grandmother?"

    "Yeah.  You're in a room with your grandmother, and there's this guy
    about to attack her and you're standing there.  What would you do?"

    "I'd yell, 'Three cheers for Grandma!' and leave the room."

    "No, seriously.  Say he had a gun and he was about to shoot her.  Would
    you shoot him first?"

    "Do I have a gun?"

    "Yes."

    "No.  I'm a pacifist, I don't have a gun."

    "Well, say you do."

    "All right.  Am I a good shot?"

    "Yes."

    "I'd shoot the gun out of his hand."

    "No, then you're not a good shot."

    "I'd be afraid to shoot.  Might kill Grandma."

    "Come on.  OK, Look.  We'll take another example.  Say you're driving a
    truck.  You're on a narrow road with a sheer cliff on your side. 
    There's a little girl standing in the middle of this road.  You're
    going too fast to stop.  What would you do?"

    "I don't know.  What would you do?"

    "I'm asking you.  You're the pacifist."

    "Yes, I know.  All right, am I in control of the truck?"

    "Yes."

    "How about if I honk my horn so she can get out of the way?"

    "She's too young to walk.  And the horn doesn't work."

    "I swerve around to the left of her, since she's not going anywhere."

    "No, there's been a landslide."

    "Oh.  Well, then, I would try to drive the truck over the cliff and
    save the little girl."

    Silence.

    "Well, say there's someone else in the truck with you.  Then what?"

    "What's my decision have to do with my being a pacifist?"

    "There's two of you in the truck and only one little girl."

    "Someone once said, 'If you have a choice between a real evil and a
    hypothetical evil, always take the hypothetical one.'"

    "Huh?"

    "I said why are you so anxious to kill off all the pacifists?"

    "I'm not.  I just want to know what you'd do if--"

    "If I was with a friend in a truck driving very fast on a one-lane road
    approaching a dangerous impasse where a ten-month-old girl is sitting
    in the middle of the road with a landslide on one side of her and a
    sheer drop-off on the other."

    "That's right."

    "I would probably slam on the brake, thus sending my friend through the
    front windshield, skid into the landslide, run over the little girl,
    sail off the cliff and plunge to my own death.  No doubt Grandma's
    house would be at the bottom of the ravine and the truck would crash
    through her roof and blow up in her living room where she was finally
    being attacked for the first, and last, time."

    "Everyone now accepts that men, too, can cry, but women still often
    have more reason to."
    
                         by Anna Quindlen
                           from "Living Out Loud"
    
    
    Lorna
    

    
    "Every woman who writes is a survivor."
    
    		-- Tillie Olsen

    
    	"When people impose on my freedom, I become unpleasant."
    
    			-- Kenize Marad, author of Regards from the
    			   Dead Princess
    
    			Interview with Marian Christy, Boston Globe
    			11/19/89

    It is not true that life is one damn thing after another:
    It's one damn thing over and over.
    - Edna St Vincent Millay

    The only abnormality is the incapacity to love.
    - Anais Nin

    The future is made up of the same stuff as the present.
    - Simone Weil

    You take people as far as they will go, not as far as you would like
    them to go.
    - Jeanette Rankin

    Concerning a crisis in a marriage:
    
    "If you could erase this one day (incident) from your life, is this
     still the person you want to spend the rest of your life with?"
    
    			- Sophia Pietrillo (Estelle Getty)
    			  "Golden Girls" episode

    From Its A Womans Life (A sense of humor will keep you sane)
    
    MAE WEST: Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before
    
    BETTE MIDLER: Being moral isn't what you do...its what you mean to do
    
    ELEANOR ROOSEVELT: No one can make you feel inferior without your
                       consent
    
    INGRID BERGMAN: Happiness is good health and a bad memory
    
    RITA RUDNER: Its a good thing love is so painful.  Otherwise all the
                 songs on the radio would have to be about root canals
    

    It was the first female-style revolution:  There was no violence
    and we all went shopping.
    
    						-- Gloria Steinem

    "I believe nothing has been as damaging to women as 5000 years of
    systematic deprivation from access to knowledge and from participation
    in the formation of philosophies which explain the world to us and from
    the religions which shape our emotions and values."
    
    				-Gerda Lerner
    

    re .52 -
    
    Wow, thanks. Is that from her book on the history of the patriarchy?

    It's from the summer 1983 issue of the "Women's Studies Quarterly", but
    that's all I know....
    
    -Jody
    

        Margery Eagan, Boston Herald, Tuesday 16th January, 1990.
        
        ...
        The guys in charge [of this state, ie. Mass.] still are
        wondering how men can murder pregnant wives. Yet battering
        often begins with pregnancy. Batterers get annoyed: The fetus
        is beyond their control.
                                ...
        
        That was a powerful eye-opener for me.
        

    Since when do you have to agree with people to defend them from
    injustice?

    Lillian Hellman

    "They all want me to rock them, like my back ain't got no bone. I
    want a man to rock me like my backbone was his own."

    Bonnie Rait from her song "Need a man to love"

    re: .57 (Liesl)
    
    Actually Bonnie Raitt from "Love Me Like a Man".
    
    Steve

    This has been staring at me from my calendar all month, and I
    just "noticed" it:
    
    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens
    can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."
    
    					Margaret Mead
    

	"But what they want is a woman who appears to be a 
	 combination of Nancy Drew, Lois Lane, and Dolly Parton"

    "What would happen if one woman told the truth about her life?
    
     The world would split open."
    
    					-Muriel Rukeyser
    

    What does that (.61) mean?  I've always suspected that the price
    of honesty is much too high!

    When you are carrying on a struggle, you have to accept the notion
    that you will have enemies. Francoise Giroud

We are the doorways of life and we must choose what comes in and
what goes out.

 -- Marge Piercy

    Men and women, women and men.  It will never work.
    
    Erica Jong
    
    
    If the world were a logical place, men would ride sidesaddle.
    
    Rita Mae Brown

    When you are carrying on a struggle, you have to accept the notion
    that you will have enemies. - Francoise Giroud

    It's not pornography but the mainstream culture which delivers violence
    as a substitute for sexual pleasure.
    
    	- Joanna Russ

"Woman talk, which has been disavowed by the patriarchal order, is one of 
the most powerful means of subverting and transforming that order. Because 
of this, the dominant group can be relied upon to hinder the growth and 
development of woman talk. I think women should resist these pressures to 
the utmost and that patriarchal myth should be made feminist reality. Women 
should become the talkative sex."

	-- Dale Spender, Man Made Language

	"I feel safe with women. No woman has ever beaten me up. 
	No woman has ever made me afraid on the street. I think 
	that the culture that women put out into the world is safer 
	for everyone."

		-- Alice Walker

"It is almost impossible for the most liberal of men to understand what 
liberty means for woman."

		-- Elizabeth Cady Stanton, 1881

    
    
    `You may think I'm fat ... but honey... I'm built for comfort, 
    I not built for speed...'
    
    by singer/songwriter Diane Davidson
    
    

i received this posting from a use.net distribution. it's hard to believe 
that these are direct quotes.  i chose not to segregate the quotable women
    from the quotable men in this posting.
    
    ~r

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In honor of Roe vs. Wade day, here are some quotes from an article titled
"Guess who said it," publication source unknown:
 
1.  "Sex education classes in our public schools are promoting incest."
2.  "I think contraception is disgusting-- people using each other for 
	pleasure."
3.  "We are oposed to all forms of birth control with the exception of
	natural family planning (the rhythm method.)"
4.  "Sex education classes are like in-home sales parties for abortions."
5.  "Incest is a voluntary act on the woman's part."
6.  "Inequality is the natural condition."
7.  "We are starting a movement in the state legislatures... to forbid the
	installation of clinics that dispense contraceptives."
8.  "I listen to feminists and all these radical gals-- most of them failures.
	They've blown it.  Some of them have married, but they married some
	Casper Milquetoast who asked permission to go to the bathroom.
	These women just need a man in the house.  That's all they need.
	Most of these feminists need a man to tell them what time of day
	it is and to lead them home.  And they blew it and they're mad at
	all men.  Feminists hate men.  They're sexist.  They hate men--
	that's their problem."
9.  "Women have babies and men provide the support.  If you don't like the
	way we are made you've got to take it up with God."
10. "I don't think Christians should use birth control.  You consummate your
	marriage as often as you like and if you have babies, you have babies."


 
Answers:
 
1.  Rev. Jimmy Swaggart
2.  Joseph Scheidler, Director Pro-Life Action League
3.  Julie Brown, Pres., American Life Lobby
4.  Phyllis Schlafly, Pres., Eagle Forum
5.  Charles Rice, Prof. of Law, Notre Dame U.
6.  Fr. Paul Marx, Prs., Human Life Int'l
7.  Phyllis Schlafly
8.  Rev. Jerry Falwell
9.  Phyllis Schlafly
10. Randall Terry, active in Operation Rescue

    
    Geez, I just saw the Handmaid's Tale last night...
    
    CQ

"Sometimes I wonder if men and women really suit each other. Perhaps they
 should live next door and just visit now and then."
-- Katherine Hepburn

    From "Letters To Alice" by Fay Weldon:
    
    "How, audiences say to me, can you be married and have sons and
    still be so horrible about men?  And I reply, 'I am not horrible
    to and about men, I merely report them as I see them.  I neither
    condone nor reproach, I merely report.  It's just that men are so
    accustomed to being flattered in books by women that simple honesty
    comes as a shock and they register it as biased and unfair'..."
    

    This is from Godey's Ladys' Book, 1852.  I have no idea of the gender
    of the author.  I am putting in here in quotes but, in my mind, I'd like
    to see more of this attitude in this conference.  
    
    "Two people who have chosen each other out of all the species, with the
    design to be each other's mutual comfort and entertainment, have in
    that action bound themselves to be good-humored, affable, forgiving,
    patient and joyful with respect to each other's frailties and
    imperfections.."
    
    

    
          "Under such outrageous circumstances, it's amazing women keep
          striving to be heard."
          
          "There isn't room in this world for women to air their disgust
          about men's aberrant sexual behavior."
          
          "Why can't I get it off my chest in one angry ten-to-twenty-line
          poem?"