Conference turris::womannotes-v2

    re 3.12 hal
    
    Congratulations!  Is this old news that I never heard before?
    
    lt

re: 4.3 (lee)  
> "hal's getting married!?"
    Yes, and Margaret is, too. It's a lovely coincidence.     

>  Congratulations!  Is this old news that I never heard before?

    Well, i mentioned it in the first version of the notesfile, but it was
    near the end. Perhaps you weren't paying attention to the old note on
    non-sexist wedding ideas. i wasn't either, until recently. it's like
    buying a house -- for all your life, you don't care about mortgages,
    points, purchase-and-sales agreements, and then all of a sudden -BOOM-
    you're an expert. The day after the event, it's all forgotten. I expect
    to forget all about weddings (but not about marriage!) on the 4th of
    September.

    While i'm on the subject (and so that our wedding doesn't have to take
    up too many more notes): We'd asked for suggestions for nice
    indoor/outdoor weddings in the earlier note. We looked at a bunch of
    them (many of which are discussed in note 100 of the massachusetts.note
    conference. press PF7 to add it). Nothing affordable was available
    until November, at which time it's not really that important to have an
    indoor/outdoor wedding. We've just about settled on the Children's
    Museum in Boston. Somehow it seems fitting.

    					-- hs

    people are welcome to put whatever they want in their intros. however,
    i've been surprised by the number of people who expect me to go
    look in whoareyou for more information. sorry, i don't have the
    time to chase down a notesfile that i don't follow. so welcome to
    these people who will stay anonymous to me...
    
    liz the person

    I suppose one could extract their WRU intro and re-post it in
    each conference. 
    
    Then again, a pointer combined with conference-specific material
    works well. Especially when one's editing capability is limited:-)

    honest, i'm not trying to start a fight nor am i trying to propose a
    solution. i did, however, want people who post wru references to
    realize that their intros might not be received the way they were
    intended. 
    
    e

    At the very least, those referencing WRU entries should SET 
    NOTE/CONF to make it easier to find.
    
    BTW, registering in WRU is traditional only to those who have 
    registered in WRU. For the majority of us, it's just another arcane 
    conference with its own set of aficionados.

	RE:  Using WHOAREYOU as your intro in this notesfile....

	I second the suggestion of putting a copy of your generic
	introduction into this file with a personalized header/footer
	for this specific conference.  OOOPs.....*I* haven't put in
	*my* intro in this new version.....must go put on my thinking
	cap and sharpen my keys.......

	justme....jacqui

    Too bad all of these conference can't be formed into some huge
    relational database 8^).

    Re 2.23, "I try very hard to look as if I don't make as much as
    I do...."    (I assume you mean money)
    
    That's funny, I try very hard to look as if I make much *more* than
    I do....    That's because I don't want to look like Meryl Streep
    in "Ironweed".
    
    Lorna
    

    Re .13, I meant to say re 3.23.  Referring to all these numbers
    gets so confusing!!!! :-)
    
    Lorna
    

    re 1.*, 3.*:
    
    This is an "un"-introduction. I have decided to not re-introduce
    myself from volume 1 based on the direction the file has taken since
    I first registered. Men are decidedly NOT part of the "community".
    Anything in 1.* to the contrary is just boilerplate. 
    
                                                   
                  /
                 (  ___
                  ) ///
                 /
    

    
    re:.15
    You are, no doubt, entitled to your opinion, but this male has always
    felt welcome here.
    

    re: .16 (re: .15)
    
    Ditto.
    

    in re .16 in re .15 etc...
    
    hugs to you both..
    
    and sm...I'm really sorry that you feel that way...
    
    Bonnie

    re .18:
    
    I do like this conference and the people who participate here.
    my objections are to the policies that have been adopted over time.
    
    I think that alot of the controversy that still exists between men
    and women here arises not so much from male/female dominace games
    as it does from the inherent injustices of a purely democratic policy
    process. Recall that the U.S. is not a pure democracy and it was
    designed that way not because the population was too large, but
    because of fear of the tyrrany of the majority. That is what I've
    seen happen here as policies are adopted on a purely "majority rules"
    basis. 
    
    I did not intend to start a political discussion in this reply,
    my intent is to make it clear that it is nothing personal, I do
    like you all, as individuals.
    
                                                   
                  /
                 (  ___
                  ) ///
                 /
    
    
    

re 3.31
    
>   I consider myself a humanist (a title I just made up), which I 
>   believe encompasses much of feminism, so I'm interested in this
>   file.  

    I believe "humanist" has been around for a while.  I was
    raised to believe that humanism = valueing people = a good
    thing.  About a decade ago I dated a boy (correct term--we
    were 17) whose family was religiously quite conservative, and
    I went with him to a special series on <mumble> put on by his
    church.  It had to do with the rise of "humanism" as a
    movement that started during the Renaissance which valued
    people.  Apparently valueing people was bad, because that
    meant one valued God less...Quite frankly, I was appalled.
    I have continued to be bothered by hearing subtle and
    not-so-subtle denigration of "humanism" ever since, and being
    a "humanist" seems to be politically incorrect in some
    circles these days.

    So I, for one, am tickled pink to hear you describe yourself
    as a humanist.  Welcome to =wm=, Kerry!

    -- Linda

    re: 2.76

    Diana, so what's your address at school so we can send you mail?
    
    --bonnie

    Two things...
    One, someone tried to write me over the weekend. I got as far as
    listing the message header before the disk crashed...now the message
    is gone forever.  So to whoever wrote it, I am not trying to ignore
    you, and if you will resend it, I'll reply...
    
    Secondly, since you asked...
    Once I get to school (which will be sometime around the first of
    September) I'll be at...
    		DECWRL::"userE20J@mts.rpi.edu" or
    		DECWRL::"Diana_Carroll@mts.rpi.edu" 
    (the second one works in theory, I haven't tried it.)
                                
    3 weeks, 3 days and counting!
    
    Diana
      !

    re 3.31
    
    I'm glad that there are still some "humanists" in the world!  I'm
    22 years old and it seems to be a growing trend for young men and
    women to lean more towards "humanism" than "feminism."  Being so
    young during the 70's, when feminism was on the uprise, I really
    cannot identify with some aspects of the feminist movement.  I
    feel as though I have a lot more opportunity because of the feminist
    movement (the early days) but I don't really truly consider *myself*
    a feminist.
    
    This probably is not making much sense but I tried!

    
>    This probably is not making much sense but I tried!

	I think you made perfect sense!  I'm 23 and feel the
	same way.  I wonder how many more people are age feel
	this way?

	Kerry

    re: 3.33
    
    Hi Roger, and welcome!  I'm VERY glad to see you here.
    
    --bonnie

	Re: 2.82

	Hi Laura!

	Well, you've got a week's worth of seniority over me!
	(Unless I counted wrong, I started July 5th)  I'm also
	in Stow, MA (You're the first I've seen in my building!
	Exciting, which one are you?)  I also have more experience
	on IBM machines that I care to admit.

	Glad to see we're both saved!  

	Hope you enjoy these notes as much as I have :->

	Hope to see you around (in here that is, or both I guess :-))

	Kb

    re: 4.28
    
    I'm the short one with brown hair that's turning grey.  I sit at
    pole J11.  How about lunch one of these days.  We can share war
    stories about being big blue users.
    
    Regards,
    
    Laura
    

    Well, in about 48 hours (give or take a little) I will semi-permanantly
    leave DEC... I have been asked if I will return in June, to which
    my response is...I haven't a clue.  If they want me, then chances
    are yes!
    
    Anyway, I wanted to say that I really enjoyed this notesfile, I
    really enjoyed meeting the people I met at the =wn= party, I enjoy
    following the conversation which is always lifely and usually amazingly
    civil.
    
    I've put this in here before, but in case anyone wants it again
    (this is a hint, o be sure) my email address at school is:
    
    			DECWRL::"usere20j@mts.rpi.edu" or
    			DECWRL::"diana_carroll@mts.rpi.edu"  (untested)
    
    I would really appreciate it if someone would keep me up to date
    on parties and (especially) t-shirts...
    
    Good luck and good life to all, and (as someone sent me on a card
    recently) don't take anyone's advice...follow your heart.
    
    Diana
      !

I will be read only in the conference (with only a little writing for
the next month or so) while I sort out some stuff.

Some of the readers of this conference have sent me mail and I do plan
to respond to you - I have been running with negative free time for
about two months.

_peggy

		(-)
		 |
			If you don't take care of your needs you
			can not take care of others'.

    re: 3.54
    
    Hi Mark, glad to see you here!
    
    I hope you do stay even if it takes more than 20 minutes a week.
    
    --bonnie

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    re .last
    
    Thanks for the reminder, I need to regap my Sparkplugs.

    <--(2.120)
    
    Yah shoor, God's Country you betcha!  (But I gotta say New England
    ain't so bad in spots either).
    
    Cyndy, do you send care packages of lefse?  ;')/2
    
    						=maggie

    Re 3.54, "In the workplace, about the only women I ran into were
    secretaries...."
    
    Yeah, so?   What is that supposed to mean?  I hope it doesn't mean
    that you think that just because somebody happens to be working
    as a secretary that they aren't worth bothering with....or that
    they can't be a feminist?
    
    Just checking...
    
    Lorna
    

    Only if you want maggie, lefse - YUCK!!  I am German 100%, actually
    200% (both great, great, great's came from Austria & Germany). 
    Lefse is not one of the things my dad MADE us eat, although he did
    try oysters (gag!) and pickled pigs feet (barf!).  Not all of us
    are scandies. It really is beautiful here, alot of people say, no
    matter where they come from.  Very clean air and land, yes it does
    get COLD (shiver) in the winter (late Dec - Feb), and HOT (sweat)
    in the summer (July-August).
    
    I would be happy to oblige on the lefse, if it would make you happy.
    Are you home sick?

    re: .34    

>    Cyndy, do you send care packages of lefse?  ;')/2
>    						=maggie

    Send someone a care package of lefse, and they'll eat lefse for a day.
    Send someone a lefse recipe, and they'll eat lefse for a lifetime.

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	Ingredients:

		1 Quart of Mashed Potatoes
		1/2 Cup Shortening (or Butter or Margarine)
		2 Tablespoons Cream (or milk)
		1 Teaspoon Salt
		1/2 Teaspoon Sugar
		2 Cups of Flour

	Mash the potatoes very finely.  Add shortening while the potatoes
	are still hot, so that it will melt and mix more easily.  Stir in
	the cream and salt.

	Chill overnight.

	Add the flour just before rolling the lefse out.  Roll into very
	thin pancakes, using a rolling cloth and plenty of extra flour.

	Cook on a dry griddle and flip when the lefse is just a little
	brown.

    	RE 4.52
    
    	Not to start a discussion, but what is lefse? I can read the
    	recipe, and I get potato pancakes.
    
    	Am I missing something?
    
    	Scott

    Potato pancakes, but thinner than tortillas, more delicately flavored
    than crepes, more ethnic than hogs knuckles.
    
    Thanks for the recipe!  Every so often, my scandinavian heritage
    rears up and hollers, "I want some lefse"!
    
    DougO

    in re 3.62
    
    
    Luis, most of the other people here don't know I also moderate
    the two birds conferences!
    
    :-)
    
    Bonnie

       re .55:
       
       > ...I also moderate the two birds conferences.
       
       Or, using Beatles-era/-area slang, this one might be the third? 
       
       --Mr Topaz

    <--(.56)
    
    Oh *very* good, Donald; does Carson know about you?
    

    Seriously, Don, nice shot.
    
    						=maggie    

    on that note, Don, birds of a feather....
    
    <wink>
    
    am

    Bonnie, Don't keep me in suspense, please. What are the names of
    the other conferences?
    
    am

    am,
    
    It was originally one confernce that I inherited from Jym Dyer when
    he left Dec a year and a half ago. The conference split into two
    several months ago. One is upnrth::wild_birds and the other is
    upnrth::pet_birds. The host and comoderator is Eric Brierley.
    
    Bonnie

    Ah, I thought perhaps they were EUROPEAN_SWALLOWS and AFRICAN_SWALLOWS.
    :-)
    
    --- jerry

    in re .61 pppfffttthhhhhh!

    There are TWO birds conferences?  I read the pet-birds,
    what's the other one?
    
    Karen

    old_birds is the original conference. It is write locked.
    
    Bonnie

    re: .66
    
    Wow, I'm glad you said that. . .for a sec, I thought it was a personal
    reference. . .
    
    Steve
    

    
    Sorry Bonnie (last 10? replies) - I guess I'm always starting
    something!
    
    L.R.G.
    

    no problem Luis :-)

    re: 3.64
    
    Perhaps it's just a bias I have, but I think middle-of-the-roaders
    write some pretty decent notes. . .
    
    Oh yes, just one other thing (re: 3.64). . .first name?
    
    Steve
    

    <--(.71)
    
    I agree, there's nothing wrong with being middle-of-the-road (as long
    is the road has at least two lanes...and is a metaphorical rather than
    physical one) 

    Thanks for your support. I would tend to define  "middle_of_the_road" 
    as pertaining to a road without a median strip. This allows
    me to define "middle" from case to case, depending on the condition
    of the track.                                        
    
    However, in this Note-File I will tend to remain in the background.
    (I was going to say I would stay on the footpath, rather than braving
    the traffic, but having the footpath in the middle of the road sounds
    rather tricky)..
            
    Heinrich

    	Lee T.  Nice to see you back.  I was beginning to wonder...
    
    						--D

    Welcome back, Joana!  And CONGRATULATIONS!
    
    						=maggie

    Hey, Joe!  I think a bunch of us were hoping you'd make it back here,
    welcome back.  You gonna stay awhile? 
    
    						=maggie

    
    I promised myself I would stay as long as it took to pay off my credit
    cards or get a real (music) job, whichever came first....
    
    (it's great to be back; i'm now only 1100 behind)
    

    re: 2.169  "Martina"
    
    Ahh - *now* I understand what you were really doing in Sweden. 
    Please don't take this as an insult, dearie, but the operation
    was one of the major failures of modern medicine. . .
    
    Stephanie
    

    in re 4.79 in re 2.169
    
    how does one type in an attack of the giggles.......  :-)
    
    should I sign this 'Robert John'?

Moved by moderator (by request of the author ;-) )
    
    DEMING::GARDNER "justme....jacqui"                    8 lines   1-APR-1989 18:15
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>In Sisterhood,

>Martina.

    		OOOOHHHHHHHH, Marina what a lovely new hairdo you 
    		have!!!   *Who* is your hairdresser????  Do tell!!

    		justme....jacqui

    I doubt that you get more respect in *this* particular notes conference
    by using a man's name!  :-)

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DNEAST::DUNTON_KATIE                                  8 lines  11-APR-1989 11:24
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    Somewhere I read that additions should be added to the end of the
    original note, so that's what I'm doing!
    
    I'd like to thank TWOHUB::AERIE::THOMPSON for telling me how to
    delete my original note.  It was already gone, however, the next
    day -- either I deleted it myself, or one of the moderators did.
    At any rate, I appreciate the reply!
    --KR

    	Well, welcome. I love your node name!
    
    	Scott (Maybe I should become JESUS::CRITZ)

    Re: .84
    
    My brother Jeff works for a company that uses the first initial plus
    an abbreviation of the last name.  So his username is jchrist.  (He
    says he blesses the boards before they get tested ....)

    This seems as good a place as any to put this . . .
    
    Next week is my last week at DEC for a while -- I start my
    maternity leave the following week.  It's hard to believe the time
    is finally here!  It seemed to take so long . . . 
    
    I plan to return in January, after the holidays.
    
    I'll see you all then!
    
    --bonnie

     RE.86 Come on Bonnie, don't you have a terminal at home? How will we
    know when you have the baby?
    
    Tamzen
    
    Good luck and take care of the both of you.

    Well, maybe I'll log on a teeny bit . . . 
    
    --bonnie

     and after two and a half or so years of friendship, given
    our mutual first names and often common opinions, if Bonnie
    doesn't let me know about the baby and all the details in re sex
    size , time etc, so I can tell the rest of you all,  I'm going 
    to pout and treaten not to send her a new years card..:-)
    
    some of the above in jest, but I will try to maintain a liason
    with Bonnie RS
    
    Bonnie
    i.e. Bonnie JPR

    Well, of course I'll let you know about the baby!  
    
    I've got to have somewhere to come to brag! :) :) :)
    
    --bonnie

    Take good care and keep in touch!!!
    
    						=maggie

    re 2.226:
    
    ...but we're so glad to have you back, Bonnie... 
    
    :^)
    
    Marge

    Kathy,
    
    I'm sorry to see you take this action, I will miss reading your notes.  
    
    But I, too have felt/feel that way at times, maybe you have noticed
    that I do not "note" very often and I keep a lot of my thoughts to myself
    now...but I still read.
    
    -Dotti.
    

    	
    	There are quite a few of us who feel the need to take "vacations"
    	from this conference (and Notes in general) from time to time.
    	I've done it myself on several occasions in the past 4 years.
    
    	Even in the past six months, I've spent far more time writing in
    	Soapbox than in =wn=, although I always try to keep up with my
    	reading here.
    
    	What I like about Soapbox is that women/feminists aren't required
    	to engage in heated debates with one arm tied behind our backs. We
    	can defend our positions freely, which is far less stressful than
    	bearing the burden of having "niceness" demanded of us in debating
    	situations that are *far* from "nice" already.
    
    	=wn= is always Number One with me when it comes to reading, though.
    	Always will be, probably.

    
    	re: 3.128 (Richard Jones-Christie)
    
    	Whoa, pretty awesome!
    
    	You told us a lot about yourself with one line of your intro.
    
    							nancy b.
    
    

Thank you, edp, for the "people of our community" note.  I have always
been a bit uncomfortable with the necessity of announcing your gender
in order to register in =wn=.

(In addition to it making gender of immediate importance, as edp pointed out,
where would a True Hermaphrodite introduce himself?  {I say "him" because
I believe they are XY.}  What about a transexual currently in the process
of becoming the other sex?  What about someone who identifies as neuter?
{I read about sucha  person.})

D!

    
    re 2.242  Gail has just be voted in the treasurer for the
    		Digital Women's Basketball league (DWBL)for the 1990-91
    		season.
    
    Congratulations,
    Vicko
    soon to be ex-sec of DWBL

re: 3.134

Brian, I have always wanted to know -- what's a poetaster?

When I was much younger I thought it was someone who nibbled bits of
"The Raven" and "The Masque of the Red Death" for snacks . . .

--bonnie

re: .102

I guess that makes me a writeraster!

>	  You mean, not everyone eats horror short stories?  They need a
>     _word_ other than "people" for them?  Uh-oh. . . .

Don't worry, Brian, if they give us too much trouble, we'll just
eat them too.

--bonnie

    inre --bonnie and Brian
    
    :-) X 10

    re .102 - 
    
    I thought it meant someone who went around sampling poets.   ;-)
    
    Dorian

There are _two_ soapboxes?!?!?
	Mez

    Yes, there is a second box started by those who found the the purity
    of the first was lacking.
    
    Bonnie

Is purity some kind of code-word? They want a soapbox that is pure what? Soap?
Box?
	Mez

    Mez,
    
    It is my impression that those who started the newer version of soapbox
    felt that the old one no longer held to the 'ideals' of the original
    versions of soapbox and that the older  box had become too restrictive
    in re abolishing things like personal insults and profanity.
    
    Of course I am not one of the individuals who started up the newer
    box so this is entirely conjecture. It is also my impression that
    the older - more restrictive - box is the more active.
    
    Bonnie

    re .-1
    the gibney::soapbox was created by edp, who is proposing a "rule" 
    in this file that creates a possible base for moderator complaints.
    it will then open this file up to the same abuse that pear::soapbox
    received regarding his interpretation of moderator action. 
     
    seems like history repeating itself.  
    
    vivian

Huh?
	Mez

    I don't think its overreaction to make an observation.  
    I see the paralells between the actions in soapbox to what is happening
    in this file.  If you choose not to see it, thats ok, it's your choice.
    
    vivian 

    Dammit, Mike. The sky IS falling down. :-)

    Re .111:
    
    I did not create Gibney::Soapbox.
    
    I did not solicit or suggest Gibney::Soapbox.
    
    I do not moderate Gibney::Soapbox.
    
    I was contacted by Patrick Leach who asked for my help in setting up
    Gibney::Soapbox.  Patrick Leach created the conference.  I proposed an
    initial format, wrote the first few notes, and set up the conference
    access, title, et cetera.  Then I turned over moderatorship to other
    people.
    
    
    				-- edp

    there is alot left out of your explanation of what went on, but thats
    ok, I realize that is how you write.  It just takes accessing the
    notesfile, and checking out your entries, thats if you haven't deleted
    them all. 
    
    on second thought, don't bother, it's only good reading if you like
    whining. 
    
    I hold to my opinion.
    
    vivian

    Please continue this discussion elsewhere (eg, 15.*)
    
    						=maggie

    
    	RE: 3.146  Mike Valenza
    
    	Keep us updated on this.  ;^)
    

    RE 3.146 (Mike Valenza .ne. Mike Zarlenga)

    Have you considered going to court and having your name legally
    changed?

    On second thought, no. The judge would probably require that Mike Z
    give his permission.

    
    All my best wishes to Justine - moderator hats ARE heavy to wear, and
    always seem to carry cumbersome little ornaments !!!
    
    Bon courage!
    
    Joana

    Re the Mike's -
    
    So, who is "the good Mike" and who is "the bad Mike"???
    
    Or, are they two additional Mike's?
    
    Lorna
    

    Good luck Justine. As a read mostly as opposed to a read only person. I
    sometimes sit back and say to myself,"Self,how can anyone moderate this
    stuff without going absolutely certifiable." Bless you and I salute
    your courage.
    
    
                                        Phil

Subj:  Mike Varlenga...  :-)

Gee, I always thought that you and Suzanne were the same person...
;-)
      Carol 

    
    	Mike Valenza and I have the same wierd sense of humor sometimes
    	- I'm the one who got him started answering his phone with the
    	name of a certain Russian nuclear power plant that melted down.
    	(Long story.)  ;^)
    
    	Also, if you ever want to see either one of us laugh real fast,
    	just say, "Marlin Perkins."  (Another long story.)
    
    	We are, indeed, different people, though, even though he did give
    	me a lifetime free pass to the Womannotes Flotation Tank recently
    	(for having a remarkably neat cubicle and for posting my nameplate
    	on an *outside* cubicle wall for a change.)  ;^)  
    

    re. 146
    
    Mike,
    
    	You neglected to point out that you are the better looking
    of the two!:)
    
    RJC

    Different indeed! Hmmp, anyone can see they BOTH have Zs in their
    names. Coincidence? I think not. liesl

    
    	Ooops!  Now I see the reason for the confusion between me and 
    	Mike Valenza - I have *2* Z's in my full name:  ;^)
    
    			Suzanne Elizabeth Conlon
    

    Come on, the rest of us know full well that Mike, Mike, and Suzanne are
    just pseudonyms you use when you don't want confusion of personal and
    moderator views, so stop the charade, Mez Zurko!  And will someone
    please get George Zyzanski to introduce himself, finally settling which
    Digit is clearly last but not least?
    
    			- Bruce

Bruce, I laughed so hard I'm speachless. But really, I don't need an alternate
personna to say the things I really mean.

Suzanne

    re: .132 by Bruce (ref George Zyzanski)
    
    I'll talk to George and see if he wants to join us.
                                               
    Bob