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| 985.1 | fwiw | DECWET::HELSEL | I'm the NRA | Wed Feb 15 1989 17:08 | 16 |
| What's "a large engine"?
Out here, the "Happy Troller" is pretty much the OSF standard
trolling plate. You can get em at Costco for 60 bucks or
you can get em from bass pro and those places for around 80
bucks.
On Lake Washington, there is no way you can catch sockeye
without them unless you have a kicker that you can troll real slow with.
The other method is to drag about 3 five gallon buckets behind the
boat. Also, I saw an add for a net recently that works on the same
drag idea.
Brett.
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| 985.2 | | BOOTES::KEYES | | Wed Feb 15 1989 18:08 | 6 |
| Brett,
The engine size is a Merc I/O 165hp and what I am assuming you are
saying is that they do indeed work good. Also what impact would
the happy troller have on the engine's performance when I want to
open it up say to ski with without taking the plate off?
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| 985.3 | Out of my league | DECWET::HELSEL | I'm the NRA | Wed Feb 15 1989 19:36 | 11 |
| Yup, I'd call that a big engine.
Although I don't have one on my boat (small 80 horse merc),
I think they are supposed to flip up and work okay when not
in troll mode. I share your anxiety about water skiing with it
on, though. It seems that you'd want to take it off for high speeds
and un-mounting a bolted on unit is a hassle.
Sorry, can't help too much.
Brett.
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| 985.4 | Slowing Down+++ | SALEM::JUNG | | Wed Feb 15 1989 20:19 | 38 |
| I think I can help you out on this one. I own a 14.5 ft. GRUMMAN
w/ 25 h.p. Mercury motor. I bought the 25 instead of something
smaller for the simple reason that I don't want to take all day
to get across a lake. While the 25 does idle right down, after
a while the engine starts to build up (carbon), and needs to be
reved up a bit when she starts to idle rough. This rough idleing
generally happens on rainy or humid weather. Anyway....I bought
my trolling plate from Cabellas (sp) for about 75 dollars. The
mounting part wasn't bad at all. Get yourself 2 good c-clamps.
Mount the trolling plate in position and clamp it to the anti-
cavitation plate. I mounted mine on the bottom of the plate,
it just fit better there than on top. Make sure that the plate
is square (not crooked) to the motor. Since the anti-cavitation
plate is aluminum the holes are real easy to drill. After the first
hole is drilled, put in a bolt and nut, do this for each hole...
PRESTO your trolling plate is installed (no problem, right?)
I was impressed the first time out. Before I installed
the plate, getting the boat on plane was a little wild. With
just me in the boat the front end would come up quite high
before plaining off. The plate, besides slowing me down to almost
a dead crawl was now acting like a whales-tail. Now when I jump
on the throttle Team Grumman jumps up on plane...fast. I can't
think of anything bad at all to say about my Happy Troller.
It's black like my motor and actually looks like it is part of it.
In the spring time when the fish are hitting good at just about
any speed the trolling plate isn't really necessary unless you
feel like toy-ing around, but come late summer when your a little
deeper- maybe using your Dave Davis's or maybe doing some down-
rigging this unit will shine. Now you can pick ANY trolling speed
you like -- right down to almost a dead stop. Any other questions
feel free to contact me. Good Luck this year!
Captain... Team Grumman
SALEM::JUNG
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| 985.5 | You will never take it off | SALEM::JUNG | | Wed Feb 15 1989 20:39 | 7 |
| While the previous note is about a smaller motor than your
inquiring about I know of other bigger boat owners that agree
it is an absolute MUST if your into serious trolling. As far as
skiing and basic hauling ass goes your boat will jump up on
plane faster and in my case eliminate porposing just about
totally. Like I said, can't say anything negative about my
Happy Troller.
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| 985.6 | SEA ANCHORS | MTADMS::CURAVOO | | Wed Feb 15 1989 21:20 | 16 |
| I have a 22' cuddy with a 175 mercruiser and ran a trolling plate on
it but changed to Sea Anchors. The trolling plate worked fine but
I found I had more control and the boat was far more stable when
fishing in chop. Ease of use and maintainance was great. Throw
them overboard, when done pull them back in. Thats it no holes in
your motor, just tie them off on your cleats. I bought them through
Sears for around twenty dollars a piece. I hang one over each side
and the boat will troll down to almost a total stand still when at
idle. To bring it up to about 2 to 2.5 mph I bring the RPM up
accordingly and it doesn't seem to carbon up as readily as it did
with the trolling plate. The best selling point though is how much
it stablizes the boat in the chop. You don't seem to bounce around
as much especially trolling parallel to the waves.
Gary C
"CRUZN II"
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| 985.7 | Enlighten me | SAVVY::LUCIA | | Thu Feb 16 1989 15:30 | 8 |
| Re: .5 - What is meant by porpoising?
Also, would someone take 2 minutes and explain what a trolling plate is and
how it works? I think I've gathered the fact that it assists you in trolling
slowly with a fast gas engine.
Not ignorant, just boatless,
Tim
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| 985.8 | quick and dirty | RAINBO::MACINTYRE | Terminal Angler | Thu Feb 16 1989 17:48 | 8 |
| porpoising (sp?) is when the boat's nose bounces up and down
while on plane.
a trolling plate is a piece if metal that drops down behind the
propeller greatly reducing the propulsion and thereby reducing the
boat speed allowing motors to go slower for trolling....
don mac
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| 985.9 | Coonass had dem wunct | DPDMAI::BEAZLEY | | Thu Feb 16 1989 22:17 | 0 |
| 985.10 | | BOOTES::KEYES | | Fri Feb 17 1989 12:38 | 6 |
| Thanks for all of your input on the trolling plate. I will be
mounting it and drilling holes since it won't effect the performance,
infact possibly make it better since it will help the boat to plan
out faster. As for mounting it, I'm going to drill, use lock washers
and wing nuts, so when I want to take it off it will make it that
easier. Again, thanks everyone for your assistance.
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| 985.11 | Question on Sea Anchors | DECWET::HELSEL | I'm the NRA | Fri Feb 17 1989 15:22 | 8 |
| I want to ask .6 about "Sea Anchors". Are these the net like
objects you drag behind the boat?
If so, I've always wondered something that you may be able to help
me with. How far behind the boat do they drag and how come fish
don't get tangled up in them?
Brett.
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| 985.12 | | DPDMAI::BEAZLEY | | Fri Feb 17 1989 15:44 | 8 |
| A "sea anchor" is a canvas bucket, dat come to a point on de bottom,
sorta lak a fonnel. It has three lines holdin the front an one line
frum de point ob de fonnel. Chew drag it behin de boat to slow it
don an wen chew won to bring it in, chew pull it in wit de line
connected to de point. Dey don take op space wen stored an kin be
damn handy wen needed!
Coonass....frum his sailin days
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| 985.13 | RE .6 & .11 | USRCV1::FRASCH | | Tue Feb 21 1989 12:09 | 11 |
| Another cheap "Sea Anchor" is a good old five gallon "Spackling
Bucket". I tie mine off the front cleats with about 6' of 1/4" line
so they are along side the boat when in the water. (out of the way
for fishing) If they bump the boat, so what? They are plastic and
don't make a scratch. With a 120 I/O I get down to .5 mph at idle.
Since they are along side, I simply reach down ad pull them in by
grabbing the end of the bucket. (making it spill out as I pull up)
The Coonas "Professional" models are really good but, mine serve
as a bailer if I ever need them.
Don
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| 985.14 | THRUST REDUCER INFO. WANTED | KAOA01::COUTTS | | Thu Feb 21 1991 19:17 | 14 |
| Hi,
I'm looking for information on outboard "thrust reducers" (for lack of
better description). The ones I've seen bolt onto the lower unit and
flip down to partially reduce the prop thrust.
Does anyone have any experience with them? How effective are they? Is
there a better alternative?
My boat is a 15'6" Cadorette with a 70 Evinrude.
Thanks in advance for any replies!
Duncan
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| 985.15 | less mph_higher RPM_less fouling | SALEM::JUNG | | Fri Feb 22 1991 11:03 | 16 |
| It's called a trolling plate. Yes, they do work well.
There is a note in here discussing this item but I'm
not sure where it is. They cost about $70-$80, easy
to install and act similar to a "dole fin" or a
"whale tale" when in the up position. When flipped
in the down position it's hard to get more than a
couple of mph. I'm not sure about bigger boats but
on the Grumman I had the steering was greatly reduced...
Only a problem on windy days. With the trolling plate
in the down position I could troll so slow, a floating
Rapala would just be dragged across the surface. The
motor was a 25 horse.
Jeff (Captain)
Team Starcraft
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| 985.16 | I found it... | SALEM::JUNG | | Fri Feb 22 1991 11:26 | 7 |
| Try note #985 for more on Trolling Plates...
Jeff (Captain)
Team Starcraft
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| 985.17 | Thanks | KAOO01::COUTTS | | Fri Feb 22 1991 11:38 | 4 |
| Thanks for the info, and help Jeff!
Duncan
Crazy Canuck
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| 985.18 | | BUNYIP::QUODLING | Who's the nut in the bag,dad? | Fri Feb 22 1991 14:10 | 5 |
| Page 123 of the Basspro catalog that just arrived has them listed at 84.97
for 40 hp and above Item S574-100.
q
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| 985.19 | Do Sea Anchors really work for Large HP Engines? | BUFFER::KEYES | | Fri Feb 22 1991 14:26 | 17 |
| o I have a 20 foot Wellcraft with a 165Hp merc, that when I attempt
to bring it down to a speed to troll it carbons up. I know about
trolling plates but I don't wanna drill any holes in my motor.
So, the next best thing is to look at either a sea anchor, or
5 gallon buckets. There is some talk in the notes file that
buckets work with a 120hp, but dosn't answer the question on
the motor size I have. I like the idea od sea anckors since they
store rea easy. I also like the idea of 5 gallon buckets since
I can get them for free, and as mentioned in a previous note,
more than likely they won'y hurt the boat. However!, will they
really work? Will it take you down to the speed required to
work lure's for fishing such fish as Laker's, Samon?, and the
most important question, will my engine Cardon up??? To much
of this can hurt it!!
Thanks in advance for your input... Stan
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| 985.20 | Better than a bucket | SALEM::JUNG | | Sat Feb 23 1991 10:27 | 13 |
| With buckets, you are at the lowest rpm you can get, with the buckets
holding you back to your desired speed. With a trolling plate, the
rpm's can be raised to help curb the fouling and still maintain
your desired speed. My boat was a 14 ft alum that with a 25hp would do
close to 30 mph. With the trolling plate down it wouldn't do anymore
than 4-5 mph at any rpm. As far as mounting, you clamp the unit on with
2 c-clamps, drill a hole using the hole in the trolling plate for a
drill guide, put a bolt in but do not tighten. Do this 4 times, remove
the c-clamps, tighten the 4 bolts...you're done.
Jeff (Captain)
Team Starcraft
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