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Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
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1306.0. "1993 OFFICIAL SUCCESS NOTE" by GLDOA::ROGERS (I'm the NRA) Mon Oct 04 1993 15:03

    This is weird.  I know I wrote a success note in here last night, but I
    can't find the topic for 1993 (unless it was written in 1992 or
    earlier).  So here is the official one.
    
    /bob
    
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1306.1Alaska Sheep by Mike HohwyGLDOA::ROGERSI'm the NRAMon Oct 04 1993 15:05437
This is from Mike Hohwy.  This is the best hunting story I have read in a 
long time.   Don't you just wish you were there.   He send all his regards
and asked me to tell you all that he misses you folks a lot.

  


			Waiting for Curly
			=================


		    Copyright (C) 1993 by Michael Hohwy

	Please feel free to use this story for non-profit reproduction 
	provided you display the original copyright statement. All other
	rights reserved.


	The sound of the shot rolled through the canyon, reflected by the 
	steep walls back to us where we lay on the ridge. There was no
	visible reaction to the shot from the white ram. Together with his 
	three companions he twirled and ran down their side of the canyon.
	At that moment I knew that my nightmare had come through: I had been
	offered what could well be my only chance at a trophy ram, and I
	had missed.

	The story rightly begins a long time before that morning on the ridge
	above Rachel Creek in the Nutsozin Mountains of Alaska. Countless
	were the times over the years when I had dreamed about hunting some
	of the most majestic game of this world, the wild mountain sheep.
	I had eagerly let my dreams be nourished by devouring all the 
	litterature available on the subject. From Jack O'Conner over
	Elgin Gates to Craig Boddington - it was all added to my fantasy.
	Finally, I decided I could manage a sheep hunt financially and 
	started planning. Clark Jeffs from Safari Outfitters in Cody, Wyoming
	provided me with a wealth of options and a service far beyond the
	call of duty. He put me in touch with Ray McNutt's Wrangell Outfitters
	in Chisana, Alaska. I liked the idea of Ray having outfitted the same
	area for over 30 years, and I liked the testimony Ray's customers
	gave him and the results he could show on Dall Sheep (as close to
	100% as you get). I booked. Now I only had to make the eighteen months
	pass until the hunt was to take place - I figured I could use the time
	to save, get in shape and read and daydream some more about sheep 
	hunting.
	
	As much as I enjoy all types of hunting, mountain hunting is closest
	to my heart. As a perpetual lover of mountains the scenery provides
	me with an endless source of joy. But I also appreciate the way 
	mountain hunting should be pursued, endless hours of glassing always
	with the possibility of a hard climb and a stalk at the back of your 
	mind. To me, there is no hunting experience above that of taking an
	animal after having stalked it on foot.

	Finally the 1993 Alaskan sheep season drew near, and the 6th of August
	saw me arrive in Tok after a long drive up from Anchorage. Already
	awaiting me in the motel was my new hunting companion Larry Fritz of
	Washington, and a more pleasant partner I could not have asked for.
	The following morning we were scheduled to fly in to Ray's base camp on
	Horsefeld Creek. The ususal mixture of delays kept us stranded in 
	Tok for an unplanned 7 hours - never plan an Alaskan hunt on 
	too tight a schedule. Finally in the afternoon we were ready for 
	takeoff. As much as I enjoy trips into the wilderness, I thoroughly
	hate flying in small airplanes. And if anyone calls me yellow because
	I don't like the combination of a small coffin with wings and 
	turbulence or high sidewinds, I'll have to concur. Enough said about
	that flight - I am sure that from the pilot's point of view it was
	quite uneventful.
	
	Safely on the ground again, Larry and I could take in the scenery
	on Horsefeld Creek and enjoy the amenities of Ray's impeccable
	base camp - the 30 years of experience were already showing up.
	Among the many colourful and pleasant people we met in camp that 
	evening, I was introduced to my guide for the next 12 days. 
	Reuben Hanke was born in Wyoming and growing up on his father's 
	ranch provided the perfect introduction to hunting and trapping. 
	He has called Alaska home for a good many years now, and, together 
	with his wife Kelly and their 3 children, he operates "Harry Gaine's", 
	a flourishing salmon fishing business on the Kenai River. Reuben is 
	a tall, powerful man, an expert with horses and has 7 years of 
	guiding experience with Ray. He also holds strong and outspoken 
	opinions on anything from Europeans to hippies and spins a good 
	yarn about his many hunting and packing trips in the backcountry 
	of Alaska. Never a dull moment in camp with Reuben.

	One of the things that became apparent very quickly, was that Ray's
	and Reuben's experience in hunting their area had made them develop
	a mode of operation which does not necessarily coincide with what
	I had read in all my books. Ray is very conservative about how many
	sheep he takes out of his area, and he adheres to a principle of
	minimal disturbance. He wants his hunters to get into
	the hunting area, stay in there and come out again with minimal
	disturbance of the animals and the area. He is proven right by his 
	track record and a very healthy average sheep trophy size of 37". That 
	is pretty good these days. Even more so considering other 
	outfitters in the area have an average a fair bit below that, 
	admittedly taking many more sheep out of their areas. In accordance 
	with his philosophy, Ray was only going to let us enter the hunting 
	area the day before the season opened - contrary to my home made 
	plans of spending some days in the area scouting before season opened. 
	But, when in Rome...,so we spent a couple of pleasant days in base 
	camp. I kept busy trying to make up for the lost opportunities of my 
	Danish childhood by plinking away with Ray's .22. The squirrels 
	smartened up to the new threat pretty quickly.

	The morning of the 9th of August dawned rainful and gray. Fortunately
	the excellent and ample breakfast which Ray's wife Gloria cooked us
	cheered us up for the long ride in the rain. There are many times in
	outfitted hunting when you have to realize that trying to help will
	only cost the professionals doing the job extra time. As much as I
	hate feeling like a piece of luggage, I had to content myself with
	watching the horses get packed that morning. I was not exactly looking
	forward to the longest horseback ride of my life - an estimated 8
	hours from base camp. I imagined being unable to climb the mountains
	the next day due to saddle sores, not a pleasant prospect on your first
	and long dreamed for sheep hunt. 

	There are not that many areas in 
	Alaska where the country will support horses - in particularly during
	the winter. It is a tribute to Ray and his people that he has a fine
	string of range horses - even though it sometimes means wrangling
	them from as far away as the Yukon part of the Alaska Highway. The 
	horses fend for themselves and come spring it is not easy to tell 
	how many will have braved the wolves and winter nor where they 
	may be keeping shop. Many hours in the saddle are required by the
	wranglers, but by knowing the country and making sure the horses
	stay in good shape during summer, most of the horses miraculously
	make it. 

	The horses packed, the rain letting up, we set off in the late morning.
	Our party consisted of apprentice guide and wrangler Jason, Reuben 
	and I with saddle horses and a packstring of four. We had not ridden 
	far when we spotted a magnificent caribou bull. He had great tops 
	and possibly double shovels. Alas, caribou season was still 20 days 
	away, so we let him and his lesser companions in peace and continued 
	on our way. That bull was marked in Reuben's mind for later clients, 
	though. Later we spotted a cow moose, and a bunch of Dall rams high
	on a ridge. It was good to see the rams, they were living proof 
	that there were sheep in the country. As the hours slowly passed,
	the sun gradually came out, and my discomfort in the saddle
	grew. By the time we reached the drainage we were going to hunt
	the sun was shining brightly over the green valley and I was feeling
	pretty beat after 8 hours in the saddle. Fortunately, a few minutes 
	on foot was all that was required for the discomfort to disappear.
	Spike camp was an amazingly comfortable affair with 2 wall tents
	and cots packed in on horse back. The horses also meant that we had
	an ample supply of food - we did not need a single freeze dried
	meal on the entire trip. Truely, this was mountain hunting luxury!
	
	Unsaddled and unpacked, while Reuben and Jason was still putting
	the kitchen tent in order, I started glassing for sheep. Lo and
	behold, after less than 2 minutes of glassing there were the first
	sheep - high on the slope above camp, some way up the creek. They
	turned out to be three rams of which one was legal. Over the
	next couple of days we would have the opportunity to see these 
	rams repeatedly as they stayed above camp. We also spotted 
	several other bands of sheep that evening, and Reuben's prophesy
	that the drainage held good numbers of sheep certainly was proven true.
	It was also proven true that the bands of ewes and lambs and some
	bands of immature rams tended to prefer the one side of the drainage,
	with mature rams mostly spotted on the opposite side in a few 
	particular locations around the forks and headwaters of the creek. 

	We spent the first day of the sheep season glassing from the valley
	bottom at the fork of the creek. Although we spotted several bands
	of sheep, either there were no legal rams among them or they did not
	match the ram we had seen the first evening. That ram we glassed 
	again in the afternoon after returning to camp. Reuben, with all
	his experience, was pretty sure that was the ram we should
	go for. Still, I requested that we look over the remainder of the
	drainage before making a decision. Consequently, we left the ram 
	above camp and spent the next day making our way up to a pass above
	the headwaters of the creek. As we came up there, we were caught 
	coldhanded out in the open by two of the rams we had spotted the day
	before - we never saw them again. A pretty good example of the 
	risks involved in moving around in an area known to hold sheep,
	without a plan to avoid detection. We spotted rams again that
	day as we glassed from the wet and windy pass. They were too far away
	to try anything and well positioned to spot any movement from our side.
	While freezing up in the pass, Jason said he heard
	two shots from the valley behind us. We never got a confimation
	of that, but as we started moving down from the pass shortly after, 
	two or three bands of sheep came streaming over the ridge from that
	watershed. They had us pinned down, and even in this band there was
	not a ram as good as the one we had left above camp that morning.
	Score yet another point to experience, it looked like Reuben was
	right in his prophecy.

	As we came back to camp that afternoon, the clouds had settled
	in, and shortly after a rainstorm struck which was to last until
	next morning. Yet in a freak break of the clouds we managed to 
	spot our old friend above camp - he and his two partners taking 
	very little notice of us - as long as we stayed in the valley.
	By this time we had started calling the ram "Curly", and had decided
	we would give him a try, if he stuck around long enough for us to
	establish a pattern to his movement. As long as he stayed on the slope
	just above us, we could see him, but making a move at him would
	be next to impossible as we would be in full view whatever we attempted.
	Still Reuben was confident. I was about to witness a lesson in
	sheep hunting far removed from what my books had intended to
	teach me, the lesson was: wait! Be patient, establish the habits of
	your quarry, look for a weakness, but above all wait and glass.
	Lessons learned from 30 years of sheep hunting.

	The next day as the fog finally lifted, Curly and co. had vanished,
	and my hopes of ever seeing the ram again sank. Reuben was more
	confident, he stated that if the sheep had actually left he'd 
	eventually wash up in one of two other locations, and then we
	would have a go at him. I was sceptical but still hopeful. We spent
	that day glassing from camp, receiveing yet another lesson in 
	what happens when you walk into sheep country blindly. At noon Jason
	spotted two hunters skylined on the ewe-side of the valley. It was 
	unlikely that they could make it down to us, but they proceded to patrol
	the edge trying to spot sheep in the wall below them. I doubt if
	they ever saw any of the sheep in that wall. All afternoon we
	watched the sheep move out of the country well ahead of the hunters.
	The wall of the valley was easily large enough to hold tens
	of sheep and never allow you to see any unless you were where we
	were - in front of the wall. By late afternoon I had almost given 
	up hope of spotting Curly again that day. As a matter of fact, I 
	was working hard on an afternoon nap, when Reuben came up to my 
	tent: "I've spotted your ram, come and see him". And, by Joe, there 
	he was. A bit further down valley on the same slope we had seen him 
	on the days before. Only 20 minutes did he allow us to admire him, 
	then he went back to the other side. We contemplated a move on him 
	right then and there, but Reuben still urged patience. The chances 
	that he would spot us moving up the slope would be too large before 
	we had him patterned. I swallowed hard, and tried to stay patient.

	The next day the pattern repeated itself, glass from camp all day,
	no Curly! As a matter of fact we did not see him all that day. 
	But come late afternoon, one of his companions
	again could not resist the temptation of looking into our valley.
	We saw him for maybe 20 minutes, and again our hopes returned.
	Poor Reuben by now had a pretty hard time convincing me of the
	virtues of patience. I must have thought up atleast a thousand
	plans of how to stalk that ram - there was precious little else 
	to do (other than glass sheep). It was shortly after the ram went 
	back out of sight that a small plane came up along the valley, low 
	over the ridge following the wall all the way up to the end of 
	the valley and down the other side. It turned and did another pass 
	along the walls of the canyon. Needless to say we were not quite 
	speechless. What on earth was that pilot doing buzzing the ridge 
	where our ram was! We figured it was somebody involved in the 
	slightly dubious practice of trying to spot game from a plane. In 
	the end it turned out to be a plane from National Parks Service, 
	probably with the official purpose of checking out the outfitter's 
	camp. Regardless of the purpose, that plane made a pretty good stab 
	at running off the ram we were watching. Quite an extraordinary 
	behaviour for Parks Service with the explicit multiple purpose use 
	policy (including hunting) governing the area. We had no way of 
	knowing whether the rams were still there, so it was off to bed on 
	yet another nail biting hope that Curly would still be around.

	The nightmares had started when we stayed in camp, 
	glassing for that one ram. It would not be entirely true to state
	that the inactivity and psychological pressure did wonders to my 
	sleep. I started having recurring nightmares of all the things that 
	could possibly go wrong if and when we tried to make a move on the 
	sheep. He would spot us in the open, he would be spooked by too 
	much noise, or, worst of all, I would be presented with a shot and 
	inevitably miss. Strangely, the nightmarish scenes were often 
	interspersed with scenes of imagined triumph, the ram safely down. 
	This went on for two or three nights.It was probably all getting a
	bit much for me. It was time to make a move - even Reuben agreed.

	The next morning we got up at 5 AM, out of camp by 6. Fortunately
	the weather was good and the ram did not poke his nose across to
	our side of the ridge. We could only hope he would still be around
	somewhere on the other side, plane and all. We had to cross the creek
	and make our way over the floor of the valley to the bottom of
	the slope. Once there, we discovered that shale slopes are extremely
	noisy when you try to cross them. We continued making progress 
	along the slope, trying to make as little noise as possible. Reuben
	had a wolwerine almost run over him before it spotted the human shape
	and disappeared into the willow and alder bushes. More shale slopes
	finally brought us to the bottom of the grassy spur which we had
	planned to follow to the top of the ridge. The good news was that
	the slope was probably not nearly as high as it had looked from
	camp, maybe 1000 feet. The bad news was that it was pretty steep and
	the shale made it noisy. Up we went, trying to use whatever vegetation
	we could find for hand and footholds as well as to cut down on the
	noise of the shifting stones of the shale. We knew that we had to pass
	two rock steps to gain access to the central - more grassy - part
	of the spur. The first proved to be little trouble, the rock 
	gloriously solid offering an easy scramble. The second rock step
	was more difficult. While in no means high, the rock was loose and
	no hand or footholds seemed to be trustworthy. I remember struggling
	to find a way up it, and thinking that Reuben could atleast have 
	stayed on top of the step to free me of the akward burden of the
	rifle - rifles and rockclimbing don't mix. I finally managed to
	get up the last step, with judicious use of a loose foothold which 
	promptly broke off as I transferred my weight away from it. Phew! 
	The first thing I saw above me was Reuben with a grin on his face 
	clearly saying: "Ah, you made it as well, that was interesting wasn't 
	it?" And I suppose it was - once above it. Above the steps the spur 
	was still very steep, but the grassy surface provided for excellent 
	footholds, and we made good progress. As we neared the top of the 
	spur, we were running out of grass to step on, and had to carefully
	weave our course upwards from grass patch to grass patch. Every
	step had to be more silent than ever. Finally we reached a small
	grassy saddle on the ridge, got out of our backpacks and slowly 
	bellied our way up to have a peek. We had been stalking and climbing
	for about one and a half hour since we left camp. At that moment
	in time I decided it did not matter too much if the ram had moved
	off, this was some of the most exciting hunting I had ever experienced!

	I kept below the ridge to minimize our signature, and when Reuben
	came worming down again he said: "There are two rams below us 
	in the creekbed and two out on the tip of this ridge. The ones
	in the creekbed are an awful long way off, maybe 500 yards". I 
	said, I thought that was too long to chance a shot, besides we were 
	not beat yet. The pressure was steadily mounting. Reuben moved up
	to glass from a higher vantage point while I tried to find some
	clothes out my pack  that would be both warm and silent for any
	imminent stalk. Presently, Reuben came down again and announced that 
	the two rams on the tip of the ridge had run down to join the 
	two grassing in the creekbed. We would have to try to make it to
	the saddle the two rams had just left, and maybe, only maybe, we
	could get a shot at the rams in the canyon. In any event it would
	be a long shot. I tried to steel myself against the disappointment of 
	possible failure as we put on our backpacks again and readied 
	ourselves for a stalk along our side of the ridge.

	We probably only had to cover about 200 yards, but we had to
	stay low enough on our side of the ridge to stay out of sight.
	That, and the ever present problem of stepping on noisy shale, plus the
	wind which blew from one direction one minute and from the opposite 
	corner the next, were our main problems. In the end it took us
	another one and a half hour to make the 200 yards, one foot 
	painstakingly set in front of the next. Talk about an exciting
	stalk! It was impossible
	to avoid noise completely, but we were hoping that the distance to
	the rams would keep the sound from reaching them. Besides, mountain 
	animals will accept a certain amount of "natural" mountain sounds
	without spooking. Fingers crossed we crept forward, knees bent
	forward to lower ourselves below the ridge. At one stage we reached
	a grassy patch and left our backpacks. That made progress easier, but 
	we still had to cross the last slope before we reached our goal.
	That slope was made of what appeared to be rain compacted dirt. Before
	we ventured out onto it, Reuben offered the advice: "once on the
	slope, don't stop". Indeed, that strategy made crossing the slope
	possible, but looking down while on the slope was not advisable.
	Fortunately the dirt was dry and held footholds silently kicked in 
	fairly well. We had reached the grassy saddle at the end of the ridge.

	We crawled up towards the very tip of the ridge, Reuben angrily
	signalling me to get down on my belly as I crawled forward
	on all fours. Boy, this was almost too much excitement to handle!
	As we were just below the edge of the ridge, Reuben silently asked
	for my rifle and soundlessly slid a cartridge into the chamber. I
	had practised that maneuver, but Reuben had the most experience.
	Meanwhile I took my soft hat and gloves from my pocket and held
	them in my left, rifle on safety in my right hand as we wormed
	up to the ridge. There they were! Unspooked the four rams were
	feeding on the other side of the canyon. Reuben was right, it would
	be a long shot. While he started to glass the rams, I
	settled in behind a slight ground swell, using my hat and gloves
	as a rest for the rifle forearm. I had decided to hunt with my 
	Winchester, M70 Supergrade in .300 Win. Mag., a cartridge which 
	is almost certainly more powerful than required for a thin skinned 
	animal like a sheep. Yet, as I turned my scope up to 6x (too much
	power is a liability if the rest is not absolutely perfect) I was
	happy to have the .300 for the shot offered. Reuben took the glasses
	down and whispered: "Curly is the one on the bottom, they are 300
	yards away. Wait until he stands broadside". I was settled in 
	beautifully behind my makeshift rest, not even needing to hold
	onto the foreend of the rifle. I felt confident I could make the
	shot. It was the longest shot I had ever attempted,
	but the rest made the crosshairs steady on the upper shoulder
	of the white ram. He turned. I started my trigger squeeze.
	
	The sound of the shot rolled through the canyon, reflected by the 
	steep walls back to us where we lay on the ridge. There was no
	visible reaction to the shot from the white ram. Together with his 
	three companions he twirled and ran down their side of the canyon.
	At that moment I knew that my nightmare had come through: I had been
	offered what could well be my only chance at a trophy ram, and I
	had missed. I'm not quite sure what I said at that moment, but 
	I can't imagine it was fit for a sunday school. I jacked another
	round into the chamber, and jettisoned my rest to get ready for
	a running shot. Reuben kept his cool, though, he cautioned: "don't 
	shoot, they are coming closer". And indeed they were, as they were 
	running down the slope the distance to us diminished. Presently
	they stopped, obviously confused about where the shot had come from.
	As they stopped Reuben urged me to shoot again, but I could not
	do so without danger of hitting the trophy. I held my fire. The
	ram turned. Eyes glued to his binoculars, Reuben said: "He is hit".
	And indeed, as he turned I could see a bright red spot on his side.
	But he was still capable of running away, so I let fly again. This
	time I saw his reaction to the shot clearly. Even then he did not
	go down, and by now I was pretty exited, and not about to stop
	shooting. I fired again. This time he fell and slowly slid backwards
	down the slope. It was all over.

	Reuben and I both got to our knees, he shouted: "You did it, you 
	killed Curly!". Then we fell into a massive bearhug while shouting
	and in general acting foolishly exited. The 3 other rams had stopped
	to look after their missing leader, they looked at us disbelievingly
	before slowly moving up their side of the canyon.
	We continued our celebrations. Reuben kept saying: "That was the best
	god d... shooting I have ever seen". Flattered, I would like to 
	believe him, but in all honesty it had not been all that hard a first
	shot due to the rest, for the following shots I had been too excited
	to be conscious of proper shooting techniques. Our celebrations 
	finally dying down, we went back up the ridge to pick up our
	backpacks and made our way down a steep shale slide, down to the
	little creek below. When we reached the ram on the other side, Reuben
	said to me: "You know this is funny, this morning when we left camp,
	I said to myself that this ram would be for my baby girl, and now
	we shot him on Rachel creek bearing her name. I'll tell her about
	this ram one day".

	After pictures, we caped and cut up the ram. I was relieved to see 
	that I had not missed the ram with any of my shots. It was too 
	confusing to tell which shot had hit where.  He had three holes
	in one side of the ribcage and two on the other side plus an entry
	hole further back. As we prepared to move off, Reuben packed the head 
	and cape plus one half of the meat. I took the other half. Even with 
	only one third of the load plus my gear, I'm sure I had atleast
	70-80 lbs of weight. I don't even care to guess what Reubin carried.
	Slowly we made our way down. Fortunately we were just outside of
	camp, and made it there in only an hour. Pretty luxurious as far
	as packing sheep goes! My sheep was typical of the area in which he
	was taken. He had very light coloured horns with a fairly shallow
	curl. His long tips gave him good length, though, and he measured 
	in at 38 7/8 and 38 6/8. Reuben kept saying the ram would have 
	made 40 inches earlier that season, before he started brooming.
	I did not really care, he was all the ram I could possibly hope for.
	Furthermore, we had taken him the best way of all, coming 
	into the drainage not knowing what we would find, waited him out,
	established a pattern, taking advantage of his weakness with a 
	well executed - and lucky - stalk on foot. What more can you ask
	for? I cannot praise Reuben enough for his skills, patience and 
	drive when we finally made a move. That was a sterling performance.


	
1306.2Wish I was there.LEDS::VESESKISMon Oct 04 1993 16:055
    
    	Great story.  I don't think I enjoyed one so much in this
    notesfile.  Sonofagun, I wish I was there with him.
    
    Ken
1306.3Archery Opener in Michigan's U.P.GLDOA::ROGERSI'm the NRAMon Oct 04 1993 18:01182
    The Archery Opener in Michigan's U.P.: Sept30-Oct3.  This is in western 
    Goegebic county, about the same longitude as St.Louis and in the 
    central time zone.  It is a 565 mile drive from Detroit, but is worth 
    every minute of it.  This trip was with my son George who is 14.
    
    Day 0:  Drove nine hours from 3:58am this morning to check out and set 
    up our hunting stands.  We need the five hours of remaining daylight to 
    get set for the opener tomorrow.  There seems to be no one else in 
    these great north woods.  Turning off US 2 (the same US 2 that will 
    take you through Glacier Park in Montana if you stay on it another 1500 
    miles) onto forest road 3920 at about 1:30pm we drive about 1.5 miles 
    in before turning right onto forest road 3925.  I have always like the 
    sign at this point "one lane road with turnouts".
    
    Traveling down 3925 about four miles, one sees open mature hardwoods 
    alternate with new aspen growth and heavy cedar and evergreen growth.  
    Then there are clear cuts, never more than 40 acres large, and old, old 
    primitive growth that is choked with deadfalls and blowdowns.  Finally 
    we get to forest road 3218 and turn left.  This the only area I hunt 
    that is outside of what I call the interior.  About .4mi down this road 
    is a overgrown logging road that follows a clear-cut (about three years 
    old) up a hill.  I pull in and off the edge and park.  
    
    We must hike up the clear cut about 300yds to get to the woods 
    (hardwoods, mostly maple) at the top of the hill.  In this woods, about 
    30yds in, is a glade that opens up to about 30yds across.  Here there 
    is evidence of old rubs and scrapes and some new activity.  I have 
    constructed a ground blind to the NNW of the intersection of four major 
    trails.  This is not a favorable position given the prevailing winds 
    but any other spot would require cutting and slashing many trees down 
    to get back away from the opening and still have a shot.  We'll call 
    this one 3218 ground.  All is ready here.  
    
    We go back down the hill and cross 3218 to the west and up another 
    ridge.  This is untouched forest with many blowdowns and heavy growth.
    George and I are searching for a good tree stand.  We find s series of 
    trails that intersect in a small opening surrounded by heavy brush.  
    Not much chance here, but the trails head north so we follow them.  
    about 40yds they veer to the west a little and exit the brush into a 
    small clearing that is barely 15yds across.  There is a large hemlock 
    to the western edge and a 2.5in poplar right in the center.  This is 
    good, it has that feeling.  But the poplar must go.  I don't feel too 
    bad about this as it is food source for both beaver and deer and there 
    are a million of them all around us.
    
    After taking down the poplar with a sierra saw and removing any twigs 
    that might deflect the arrow, we turn our attention to the hemlock.  
    George goes up the tree.  The multitude of branches allow him to climb 
    up 25ft without much effort.  He removes a couple of limbs to gain a 
    view of the clearing below and straps his stand to the trunk.  It looks 
    perfect.  This is 3218 tree.
    
    We vacate the area for the "interior".  Traveling back up 3218 to 3925 
    and turning left we continue to head west to "Indian Village Road".  
    There really is an Indian Village at the end of it.  George wants to go 
    check it out, but I defer.  I would not want people coming to my house 
    to  "check it out" just because I am different than them.  People live 
    up here because they value privacy.   Turning right on this road will 
    take us to forest road 3940 which heads northeast back to u.s.2.  About 
    1.5mi from rt2 we are now 6mi as the crow flies and about 12mi by road 
    from 3218 stands.  We set up two more tree stands.  One I have had in 
    place since August, the other is about 300yds north.  The first is 
    500yds into the woods and is 35ft up a huge hemlock.  The bole on this 
    monster is five feet thick.  I had to go up 35ft just to get into the 
    first limbs for cover.
    
    The second is up 15ft in a golden birch that is nestled into a couple 
    of pines just off a main trail.  We are done.  The wind is blowing just 
    about 30-40mph and is stripping leaves off the trees at a high rate.  
    The temp. has dropped from 50deg F to about 38F in the last two hours.  
    A front?  What does this mean?  We cross over US2 and go up 3940 to 
    check out a road to the north I have been curious about.  It is called 
    22720 (?).  I take the Taurus back in there with some trepidation, but 
    am able to easily get back into the end of it.  I should explain.  
    While scouting a month ago, I found an unnatural clearing (60-70yds 
    across) in the middle of the woods.  On exploring it further, I found a 
    two track, while grown up with grass, that was in good shape.  This led 
    down a hill to a road that had shown no use.  I had followed this SE 
    and came out on 3940 at a sign marked 22720.  So now we are seeing if I 
    can drive in to the clearing.  It is 1.3 miles in and just as we pull 
    up the grade to the level of the clearing a magnificent doe turns and 
    bounds to the edge of the woods in jumps that easily clear eight feet 
    high.  Quite a sight.  And an omen?
    
    Well a full day and off to a nearby (15mi away) motel.
    
    DAY 1:  Up at 5am.  Sunup is 6:46.  We decide to use 3940 for the am 
    and then 3218 for the p.m. with a break for lunch.  The wind is still 
    high and it is in the low 30's (F).  Not good for endurance in what is 
    primarily a waiting game.   We do not have a good sense of timing of 
    patterns yet and so must stay out there until we figure it out.  This 
    is complicated by a full moon which aids in nocturnal feeding.  We have 
    learned that high winds will inhibit feeding and movement.  This bears 
    out as we encounter no deer on the way to or on our stands all morning.  
    We believe that they may come out early in the p.m. as they must be 
    getting hungry.  The wind is still up to 30mph and the woods very 
    noisy.
    
    We have agreed on a signal that if either one of us shoots at and hits 
    a deer, we will first make our way to the car and honk the horn once.  
    That way we will know what is up if the other is delayed in return by 
    dark.  This said we are off to the stands at 2:30pm  I am very cold by 
    5pm and am willing to bet that George is now in the car.  I am 
    determined to wait it out until dark.  About 5:20 the wind stops as if 
    by a switch and this offers much relief.  At 6pm it is gathering dusk 
    as sunset is officially 6:33pm.  At 6:10 sharp the car horn sounds 
    once.  ALLLRRIIGHTT GEORGE!  (better not be an accident).
    
    Decision time, do I wait out my stand until dark or go to assist.  
    Since it is his first shot, I decide to go and exit as quickly and 
    quietly as I can.  Get to the car to find George's bow and only three 
    arrows in his quiver (he has four).  I take mine in case a follow up 
    shot is needed and the large lantern.
    
    George is very excited.  Talking about 10k words/min.  Here's the 
    story.
    
    George got very cold about 4:30 and left his stand for the car.  He 
    started it and warmed up and returned to his stand about 5pm.  At 5:20 
    he spotted movement to the south and there they were.  Five deer!  Two 
    medium does, two yearlings and a great matriarch, a veritable north 
    woods monster.  The big doe has her head up reading wind scent and 
    grunts and all scatter to the east.  About sixty yards away they have 
    lost the trace of George's scent she acquired and turn to the west.  
    She leads the way in towards George, stomping the ground when any of 
    the others get to close to her lead.
    
    George is suffering adrenalin shock about now.  He is shaking so bad 
    that he has to partially draw the bow to keep the arrow from rattling 
    on the rest.  He is so frustrated with his runaway breathing rate and 
    pounding heart, he just wants to scream out "Get out of here!"  But He 
    manages to hold it all together.  By 5:45 the big lady is into the 
    brush at the edge of the clearing with the rest of the crowd just 
    behind and on either side.   She is very cautious and does not come out 
    for almost ten minutes.  Then the moment arrives, she steps out and 
    puts her head down to sniff out the ground just inside the clearing.  
    George recalls my hint that when they are looking at the ground, their 
    peripheral vision is most restricted.  He goes to full draw and 
    releases, aiming at the spine.  The doe is directly facing him and this 
    is a difficult shot for a bow.
    
    The arrow strikes just to the left of the spine about 12in back from 
    the shoulders.  She does a 180 pivot in less than 1/4 sec and bolts to 
    the NNE is a high speed but jerky gait.  The rest of the crowd scatters 
    in all directions.  George picks out the tree next to where he last 
    sees her and then just about falls out of the tree.  He recalls seeing 
    the arrow buried to the fletching. 
    
    We began the search together, but gave up at full darkness.  A grid 
    search the next morning discovers her 250yds away in the heaviest cover 
    you can imagine.  It was almost beyond our capacity to get this size 
    animal out of there.  She weighed 140lb field dressed or about 185-190 
    on the hoof.  She is three and half years old and has a fine auburn 
    colored coat that has not yet grown in the winter hair.  It took us 
    almost three hours to get her to the road (about 1/2 mile drag) over 
    deadfalls and blowdowns.  
    
    I was not encouraged to shoot another one this weekend.  One effort 
    like that is enough for me in a single weekend.  So it was with some 
    amusement when my turn came the following day and was spoiled by a 
    medium sized black bear that chased off three does just before they 
    came into range.  Guess it was better that way.  Think what it would 
    have been like if I had shot one and then had the bear show up.  Anyway 
    the bear ambled over to my stand then proceeded to rub his butt and 
    back on my tree and several others in the vicinity.  He then relieved 
    himself leaving several great piles on the forest floor.  After that he 
    start to roust about for berries and such.  This was just too much.  It 
    was getting dusk and he seemed in no hurry to leave.  
    
    So risking confrontation, I said "Ahem,  I really would appreciate it 
    if you wouldn't hang around here all night."  This from 35 feet up.  It 
    was truly comical.  The big fellow (he was my height, but much fatter) 
    said "whuff!" and looked all around but not up.  He was upwind of my 
    tree.  Failing to spot the intruder, he turned away and ambled 
    (galloped?) upwind at a surprising rate of speed.  But now I have find 
    a new spot to hunt.
    
    Sunday morning was not successful, so we packed up and left for 
    Detroit.  A great weekend in the woods and a successful hunt.  Good to 
    have venison on the table again.
    
    
1306.4Opening dayCSOA1::VANDENBARKMon Oct 04 1993 18:2112
    Guys,
    
    Here goes:
    
    9 point whitetail 
    165lbs est.
    17" spread
    decent tine length
    
    More details in note 270.384.
    
    Wess
1306.5ODIXIE::SHADDIXMon Oct 25 1993 16:5315
    Guys, this is for my brother-in-law, Lamar.
    
    8pt buck
    175lbs live weight
    17 inch spread
    long tines
    good mass
    gun:Winchester M70 Featherweight 30.06.
    
    Lamar rattled in two 8 pointers and shot the biggest one.  We'll save
    the other for next year.  Let him grow some more. 
    
    
    Earl
    
1306.6Not the best way to get a deer57133::BULLSI::ERRICOWed Nov 10 1993 16:1018
	8 point
	19" spread
	about 180-185 dressed
	Method used: 1990 Geo Tracker
	place: Rt 495 Tewksbury
	knocked him perfectly into the breakdown lane
	State Police let me keep him.
	Must have had his mind on other things.

	I WAS taking this morning off for opening day of NH
	firearm.  I ended up at the body shop for an estimate.
	Can't get one until I drop it off as the hood won't open.
	But it looks to be well over $3000 damage.  Entire right front
	and whole right side to the back bumper which is cracked.

	John

1306.733803::NEWSHAMJames Newsham @ALFWed Nov 10 1993 17:4016
                  <<< Note 1306.6 by 57133::BULLSI::ERRICO >>>
                      -< Not the best way to get a deer >-


	8 point
	19" spread
	about 180-185 dressed
	Method used: 1990 Geo Tracker

	John


	Why not, it's a slow boring day......So, is a Geo Tracker
	too much car for a deer ;-)

	Red
1306.8did you hit the accelerator/brake?33972::RHARRISGun Control is a steady hand!Thu Nov 11 1993 14:0316
    Golly gee.  Earl and myself are always joking about, "How much did it
    cost to mount that deer?"  "Oh, $200 for the deerhead, and $3000 for
    the vehicle".
    
    I think you win the trophy for the most creative method of harvest,
    unless someone hit one with a riding mower.
    
    I more days until my wife gets on a airplane, and I get on a treestand
    for 8 whole days.
    
    
    Yippee keyeyaaa mother hunter!
    
    
    bob
    
1306.9The Rut Has Kicked In!!!!!30029::MERCIERThu Nov 11 1993 16:0017
1306.10my first deer!!!!!!, hard to top this one20024::HUSTONMon Nov 15 1993 14:1174
    

If you don't mind, I will put the stats at the bottom (that way you have
to read this, since I am pretty proud of this guy, my first one!!)

Saturday in the mountains of NH was very windy and fairly warm. All through
the morning we were pushing through the beechnut swamps and hemlock swamps
since they were all loaded with tracks/rubs/scrapes. Morning stands were
un-eventfull (except a bear I watched walk across a clear cut on the way
in in the morning, saw him for about 5 minutes at about 200
yards).

After a brief meeting for lunch (5 of us), we split up myself, uncle and
cousin went up the hill. My father and uncle went up the logging road to 
push another swamp.  Once into the woods, I suggested we push through the
hemlock swamp again, very very slowly. My uncle went up the middle, me to 
the high edge, cousin to the low edge.  After about 30 minutes of this, 
I heard someone below me shoot twice. I waited for couple of minutes to 
see if something would come out at the speed of light, nothing. I started 
angling down into the middle (we had agreed to do it like this). When I 
started moving I heard two shots way in back of me, figured it was my father
or uncle. On I went into the swamp, slow as I could go. I crashed through
a particulary thick section, breaking a 4 inch tree in the process, in 
other words, far from quietly. I had just stepped into a somewhat
thinner area when I saw him, walking directly perpendicular to me, 25 yards
out. Saw the antlers (bucks only area) and raised my gun. To this point
I had not breathed since seeing him, not intentionally.  Through the scope
I could see him, but lots and lots of branches between us. There was
a pine blow down halfway to him. If I let him walk further he would be gone.
I side stepped to the left about 10 feet, somehow, he never noticed me. 
I raised the gun again, and shot. Down he went.  I watched through the scope
for a few seconds, then started around the blow down, when I cleared the blow
down, he started to raise his head (in hindsight, I think it was just a nerve
twitch, but he wasn't gonna get away from me :-) ), so I shot in the neck
and down went the head. 

It wasn't until I got closer and started around him that I got a good look
at the antlers, I just about fell over......


    Date:       Nov 13
    Time:       2:00 pm
    Place:      Easton NH
    Weapon:     remington 742, .30-06, 150 gr
    Distance:   ~25 yards
    Shot:       Neck
    Distance after shot: 0 (best kind)
    Weight:     171 pounds
    Rack:       9 points

Measurements (all guess), long tines are about 7 inches, outside spread
    is about 14 inches, girth at base of antlers is about 4 inches.

The shots I heard that made me come down, were my cousin, busting him out
of bed and missing once, nicking the front leg once.  The drag was alot of 
fun, all I can say is thank god for cousins that are built like an ox!!!

The shots I heard behind me, before I shot, were my uncle:

    Same date/time/place
    Weapon: Ruger 44 mag
    Distance : 130 yards (hell of a shot if you've seen the ballistics)
    Distance after shot: 0, got up once, but was quickly convinced back down.
    Weight: 125 
    points: 4.

Funny part was, they never heard my shots. My  father showed up at the trucks
after dark, looking for the "young muscle", My uncle told him, we were off
checking in my deer, he almost fell over!.

A great day, two deer, my first, and my father was there to see. 

--Bob
    
1306.11what's the taxidermist's phone number?33972::RHARRISGun Control is a steady hand!Mon Nov 15 1993 15:1511
    Congrats on the deer.  Question on the 9 pointer.  How big was his
    neck?  Were his hocks jet black and drippy with a residue down to the
    hoof that would just make you go gumby?  Was his neck fully swollen,
    with the bulging veins heaving through his hide?
    
    I LOVE THE RUT!
    
    Bob (going out Friday for 8 days of rut hunting in south Georgia with
    one more buck tag, and three doe tags.
    
    
1306.12First deer, how you gonna top it?18583::AMBERSONMon Nov 15 1993 15:303
    Nice deer, good shot!
    
    Jeff
1306.13Oxen For Hire33972::SHADDIXMon Nov 15 1993 15:368
    Congrats on the nice buck.  My first buck was a 9 pt also.  I still
    get the same feeling with each deer I kill as I did with my first buck.
    
    I also agree its nice to have a cousin or partner built like an ox to
    help with the deer.  My ox is Bob Harris.  I am also going this weekend
    for 9 days of hunting.  I will utilize my ox's talents.
    
    Earl
1306.14What do you give an ox for Christma20024::HUSTONMon Nov 15 1993 19:1018
    
    Thanks on the congrats, I sure do owe the cousin the ox a little
    something for Christmas besides the customary roast. We ended up 
    carrying the thing on our shoulders for about 300 yards (wrapped
    in a bright blue tarp and orange coats of course) We come in on 
    a logging road that is made of gravel, it was ripping the hair 
    off faster than the best barber.
    
    Yup his neck is swollen, looks like a linebacker from a college
    football team :-)
    
    How am I gonna top it? Beats me, but it will be fun trying!
    
    Gotta drop him off at the butcher tonight, dropped 50 pounds of ice
    into him at lunch time (its 77 deg out this afternoon).
    
    --Bob
    
1306.15They call me Mr. Vegas33972::RHARRISGun Control is a steady hand!Mon Nov 15 1993 19:298
    Public apology to Mr. Shaddix.
    
    Earl, sorry I won't be at deer land until Monday afternoon, instead
    of the scheduled Friday noon time frame.  Just don't shoot a buck until
    I get there.  I will help you drag.
    
    Mr. Vegas!
    
1306.16RE: .6 & .757133::BULLSI::ERRICOTue Nov 16 1993 15:3313
	Just got the estimate on the Tracker in .6

		The insurance company is handing me a check
		for just over $6000.  Now let's see.....we take
		the total cost and divide it by the total pounds of
		meat to get the cost per pound.

		Actually this probably wouldn't come out much
		different if I used my total investment in hunting
		paraphanalia (sp??).

		John
1306.17another success19484::EVMS::MNOELChicken FarmerWed Nov 17 1993 12:2655
Well here's mine.

BTW nice shot Bob

I took my deer in Epsom NH 125lb dressed Doe.

It  was quite an experience since all my other deer have been 
taken with a bow.  Yes, this is my first rifle shot deer.

I was hunting with my buddy Joe Hollen and we were hunting 
the edge of a beechnut swamp.  We both had been hunting for about 
4 uneventful hours.

I met Joe up on the ridge and we decided to eat our lunches.  After about 20
minutes or so we planned on circling the swamp and hopefully we would kick
something into each other.  Well I circled up to the east side of this 
ridge and found a nice ravine between two large hills.  I waited there 
for about 10 minutes and two doe came trotting out.  They didn't stop
well I raised my gun aimed at the first at let one go.  Well, that one 
didn't fall, so the next one came down the ridge aimed and fired.  
That one didn't fall.  Joe came over and we scoped out the area where 
I took the shots and after about 1/2 hour we concluded that yep, I 
missed.  

Well I was pretty bent out of shape at that point thinking my only 
chance this year and I blew it.

I sat down to try and calm down and joe and I decided to basically do 
the same thing.

I again went to the east side of this ridge and came upon a hemlock 
thicket.  It was pretty nasty in there.  I took a couple of steps and
there goes a deer she started to run.  Well I stopped and decided that 
this bugger was not getting away.  The deer was now about 100 yds in 
front of me when I let out a yell HEEEEEEEY !!!  

The deer instantly froze turned and looked right at me.  I took 1 shot
right in the neck and she dropped right where she stood.  

Yeah I was lucky to see so many deer in one spot but that's the way NH
hunting is.  The deer are far and few between but if you get into 1 
chances are you have probably gotten into about 5 or 6 pocketed up.

Time: 11:50
Date: Nov 13 1993
Method: Browning Lever action .358
Deer: 125lb Doe  

	She may be small, but she will be good eating !

Anyway, Congratulations again  to Bob and to all who have
taken thier deer.


				-Marc
1306.18why you dog2286::BENTWed Nov 17 1993 12:5113
    
    
    
    
      You chicken pluckin farmer.  Congrats.  Maybe next year you'll
     learn to get a decent hunting partner and you'll have even more
    success.  To think, you can even get a deer in the same woodlot that
    that smelly,ugly Joe Hollen is in.  How is the ol' boy anyway???
    
    Congrats Mark.  Enjoy the good eatin.
    
    Lance
    
1306.19Thanks Lance19484::EVMS::MNOELChicken FarmerWed Nov 17 1993 13:1621
1306.20Another Opening Day57133::BULLSI::ERRICOWed Dec 01 1993 16:2513
               <<< TALLUS::TALLUS$DUA0:[NOTES]HUNTING.NOTE;3 >>>
                                 -< HUNTING >-
===========================================================================
====,


    7:00am Nov 29 (opening day)
    8" Spike whitetail buck
    150 lbs dressed est.
    12 guage 3"mag @ 10 yards
    Called in by rattling large 8 point antlers
		(who did this little spike think he was???)
    Jefferson, MA
1306.21Not bad for your first deerABACUS::TOPPERTue Dec 07 1993 18:215
    Well it was my first of years into hunting, got it in Maryland
    with a Remington 270, 150 grain. 8 point and dressed out at 156.
    Shot at around 250 yards.
    
    Dan Topper
1306.22270 strikes againODIXIE::SHADDIXWed Dec 08 1993 12:453
    Good shot Dan. Congrats
    
    Earl
1306.23He's smilin'CSOA1::VANDENBARKMakes me happy!Wed Dec 08 1993 16:399
    Dan,
    
    Way to go!
    
    Earl,
    Kick Bob's @ss this weekend! 
    
    Good luck,
    Wess
1306.24ODIXIE::RHARRISProud to be in the NRAWed Dec 08 1993 16:4310
    Now that's not the proper attitude to have, Wess.  We should be saying
    kick your butt.  We saw your pictures.  I especially like the buck that
    you are using "Coyote Taxidermy".  
    
    Congrats on that last success note.  Good shot.  Having king salmon
    from Alaska for dinner tonight.  Come on over Wess, you can show up
    just in time to clean the dishes!
    
    Bob
    
1306.25Mighty nice of youCSOA1::VANDENBARKMakes me happy!Wed Dec 08 1993 16:4910
    Bob,
    
    Thanks for the invite, but your wife told me never to come over when
    your there, gives you some kind of complex or something.
    
    By the way I'm only mounting the first buck.  I may try to kill a
    coyote and mount the deer antlers on him from the 2nd one.
    
    Wess
    Blackpowder this weekend.
1306.26 DEER NO. 7, ANOTHER 8 POINTERMSBCS::WHITAKERWed Dec 15 1993 14:5248
     
    This is No.7 for me.
    8 POINT 140 LBS. small rack I have alager one alrady mounted.
    SHOT ON 12/01/93
    12 GA 3" MAG 30" Barrel full chock 00 Buck Shot 15 pellets.
    About 35 to 40 yards away out of a Hemlock tree.
    time 3.00 P.M.
    About 2 mile form the farm.
    
    		I had been on my after noon stand about 30 minutes when I
    along come another hunter right down the run, He never saw me in the tree
    stand until I spoke to him. After talking to him for a couple of
    minutes he really piss me off, he told me he had been pissing in all the 
    scrapes along the Run. I ask how may deer he had gotten, he still
    waiting to get one, and never will if he keep pissing in scrapes.
                Anways after he left the more I thought about what he
    said the madder I got. So after about 40 minutes I left that stand and
    head in the opposite direction, I took a new stand just off edge of an
    extremely heavely overgrown field, full of little pines and saplings.
    Well I pick out this Hemlock tree just off the edge of old barway in 
    the stone wall, it was a natural there were signs of three differnet runs 
    intersecting at the barway. Well some time just befor 3:OO this nice
    little 8 pointer walked out.
                I put one shot in his fornt shoulder, He went down thrash
    around a bit, and up and out of sight. I got down out of the tree,
    and check out the area sure enought lot of blood, hair. I did just what
    the Old Tapper (my Dad) said to do. If you hit them  hard they may go a
    ways, and lay up. He always said give them a couple of minutes, they
    will lay up, and stiffen up, and there is a good chance they will not
    move. I took the blood tail about 20 yard, look up and about anothe 20
    yard away he was laid up in a heap. When I filed dress him his hart,
    had 3 pellets holds, and both his lung were gone. When I did the
    shinnig the next day I counted 12 holds in the front sholder, and 4 exit
    holds, and found 6 pellets. That 30" barrel full chock realy works
    well.
    	  I took my watch off a 3:00 to field dress him. I started
    out of the wood about 3:30 I knew, I was in deep about a mile, by the
    time I got him to the truck it seem like 5, and some how I thought his
    weight had dobule.
    		  I got two boys one is of age to hunt, and the other one
    will be next year. I had been trying to get them out with me early
    in the week, but they both had other pirority (school and older boy has
    a part time job) After they help unload the truck, it wasn't a problem
    getting them out. 
    		  Black power open for 3 day next week I will have 2 of
    the 3 day. I would realy like to get one with the 58.		    	Jim
    
    					Jim               
1306.27desopsnart gnillepsODIXIE::RHARRISProud to be in the NRAWed Dec 15 1993 15:348
    congrats on your buck.  Piss on the other hunter.  You must be tired
    or dyslexic (spelling?), because your spelling is all transopesd!
    
    bob
    bbo
    obb
    bob
    
1306.28Love that Smoke11994::MEAGHERThu Dec 23 1993 13:4318
    
    8 Point 
    long tines
    20 in. spread
    178 lb
    Taken with 56cal. smoke pole
    Opening morning at 8:00 am
    About 75yrds from my truck.
    I had it field dressed and in my pickup before my brothers
    wandered over to see what all the smoke was about. It was a
    little tough getting it in the truck by myself but it was
    worth it to see my brothers faces. Its been four years since
    the last one and we allways make a little side wager on who's
    going tho get the first deer.
    
    btw: It was taken in Gardner Ma.
    
    Tim
1306.2920" spread...niceCSOA1::VANDENBARKMakes me happy!Thu Dec 23 1993 18:588
    Tim,
    
    Sounds like a really nice buck!  I haven't killed a "big" buck with my
    muzzleloader yet, it must be nice.  Of course I am going out in two
    weeks for a day...who knows.
    
    Congrats,
    Wess
1306.3093-94 deer harvest 2nd highest ever135966::GEIBELLlost in PennsylvaniaWed Apr 13 1994 13:0529
    
    
    
       Well I just received the harvest numbers for the state of Pa. for
    the 1993 deer season......... and the survey say's........;
    
        Antlered deer harvest   - 165,214
        Antlerless deer harvest - 243,343
                                -----------
        For a grand total of      408,557
    
     this is the second time in Pa history that the harvest has exceeded
    400,000 deer, when hunters in 1990 harvested 415,561 deer. the buck
    harvest ranks third, the doe harvest ranks second.
    
     BTW the county our farm is in had harvest figures of, buck-2,969 ,and
    doe harvest of 4,752.
    
    leading counties of harvest were, buck harvest- clearfield co. 5,783
           just one county!!!!!!!-->  doe  harvest- warren co.    10,790
                                  combined harvest- warren co.    15,416
    
    
     I guess the game management program is working in Pa.
    
    
                                                         Lee