Conference vmsnet::hunting$note:hunting

 To be issued an anterless deer permit, you must have sent in the
appropriate application (that was attatched to your license) before
aug 15. 

The numbers drawn correspond to the last number of your hunting
or sporting license.

THe numbers in the base note are in the order drawn. If you have the 
last number that was drawn in each zone, (for ex: # 3 in zone 10) you 
may not recieve one. Otherwise you should be receiving one.



Frank (who will be looking for antlers)

    Thanks for entering the numbers.
    
    			John
    

    
    Thank you Too Much Frank!!!!!!!
    
       You have just informed me that I am now 2 for 2 on doe permits!!!!!!!
    
    SCOMAN  <who will just be looking for deer in both Mass and Maine!!!>
    

                     
    

    Well I don't believe it. Drumm put you up to this right? I mean
    I've been hunting for mumble... years and this will be the first
    time I've gotten a doe permit. Seriously though, you made my day.
    
    Thanks,
    John

    Yo Scoman !
    
       Such a waste. I know you are going to shoot a big fat doe during
    archery season at &*)$%&* , well you know where. That will invalidate
    your doe permit. By the way when you do... the beer is on me.
    
    come on Nov 5 
    
    
    Frank

    Yea man!  I got number 1 in zone 3.
    
    Jeff

    REPLY .5
    
    I just hope one of us gets one in $^$&$#$  
    you know the place!  
    
    My brothers think I'm cursed now that I have 2
    permits and don't think I'll see anything! ;^(
    
    We'll just have to prove them wrong!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Hopefully we'll both be buying each other a case
    of beer!
    
    SCOMAN
    

    
    SCOMAN (not his real name by the way), (is it Scot?)
    You'll be lucky if you see a deer in the zoo! See I got this unlucky
    charm that I put in your truck last week and it's been giving you
    bad luck all week. remember the other day ay the range? You could'nt
    hit anything, and it's going to get worse..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....
    
    The only thing that will cure you........   
    
    
    
    Is to offer me some venision steak!                  
    
                                       Walt

    
    REPLY TO .8
    
    No problem Walt (alias Bwana Bing)  
    
        I'll even kick in a roast if you can provide my with a lucky
    charm instead.  Besides I figure I'll have a good chance with you
    scaring all the deer over to me during the shotgun season. ;^)
    Let's just hope the wife to be let's out once the season starts.
    Maybe you should take Frank's advice on your tree stand!!!!!!!!!
    
    SCOMAN
    

    
    Mr. Moderators, I realize that this is the antlerless deer permit
    note but I feel it is my duty to inform evryone of the gross lies
    and mistruths that Scot is spewing forth. he would love it if all
    of you believed he was the great hunter that he comes across as.
    I even believed it at one time, you see Scot and I converse through
    E_mail daily and he would continually sign off as "The deerslayer".
    Upon further investigation, and asking him point blank, "How many
    deer have you slain?", he answered <mumble,mumble>, I asked again
    and could clearly hear his answere this time. It was NONE! Zippo,
    nada, nothing, he did claim to see many but the trees were in his
    way, the earth moved, his pants were down around his ankles etc.
    I feel that these excuses may in some way help me to believe that
    there is hope for him yet, but he still has not attained the one
    vital component to call him self the deerslayer, and that is he
    has not yet slain a deer.
    
    Not that he has'nt tried, many times I have driven the backroads
    with him in his 4x4, (a.k.a the suicide machine) searching out the
    lesser intelligent deer that may wander onto the road and infront
    of his vehicle. My knuckles turning white in their death grip around
    his neck all the while yelling at him to slow down. Him foaming
    at the mouth, eyes red with the hunger to kill and this is during
    the off season! You should see how he gets during deer season.
    
    All in all Scot is a good person/sportsman, but not a deerslayer.
    I appreciate you letting me put this here and telling the whole
    story and please everyone, go easy on him, because in the eyes of
    us who have harvested deer, he is still but a boy....        
                                         
                                                         
                                           Walt
    

    
    
    Bwana you foolish child,
    
         It was you who signed his messages "the deerslayer"!!  Mine
    have been signed the DEER HUNTER.  Therefore it is you who speaks
    with fork tounge not I.  
    
         As for my driving like an mad man, this is also untrue!  You
    just felt as if we were flying down the back roads because you are
    so used to putting along down the roads in your feeble little car.
    
         So now that every one is aware of the half truths you have
    been sreading I will conclude this note by explaining to you all
    that we cannot really blame Walt for being this way.  You see he
    is getting married soon and all this garbage he is saying is just
    his way of coping with the frustration he is feeling knowing that
    his days of hunting fishing and purchasing the necessary items to
    do so are coming to an end.  In fact I offered him the chance today
    to come up to Maine with me to go hunting but I could see his face
    turning red and eyes buldging as the apron strings tightened around
    his throat.  I really do feel sorry for the poor fool.  Even though
    he can't hit the side of a barn with a shotgun he was a good sportsman
    and I'll be sad to see him go.  I hope you have a wonderful married
    life Bwana.  You know doing all those fun things you were doing
    the other day like laundry, washing dishes, ect. ect. ect.
    
    SCOMAN <who may not have one yet but still gets to try>
    

    
    re.0
           Thanks for the info, I had #3 in zone 10 so Buck or Doe down
    they go !!!!!!!!!!!!
    
                                                       Guy
    

    isn't it nice when your number comes up(#3 zone 9) the second time in 
    row, and only the 2nd time since its inception. Good Luck to all with 
    or without a permit.
    The Warden

    Does anyone know when the permits are expected to be mailed out
    to all of us winners??
    
    George (Who is anxiously greeting the mailman till the permit 
            is at my door step).

    LETS HOPE WE DONT HAVE TO WAIT FOR UNCLE DUKEY TO GET ENOUGH MONEY FOR 
    STAMPS. NORMALLY WITHIN AWEEK NO MORE THAN 2 FROM THE DRAWING DATE.
    WE ALL ARE WAITING PATIENTLY OR IMPATIENTLY.
    THE WARDEN

    GOOD NEWS....ZONE #6 DOE PERMIT RECEIVED... I got a call from home an
    sure enough the Mass. permit was in the mail. It goes well with my Maine
    doe permit received last week !
    
     This is shaping up to be an exceptional year. 
    
     Hope others are half as lucky....Ken       

    
    Received mine Wednesday the 17'th. Out it goes today the 18'th.
    Not bad only my second year hunting and first one I've applied
    for. Now all I have to do is make sure it's not wasted!
    
    good luck to all!!
    
    Bill

    Although I'm happy I got a permit,I was upset to learn that the
    fee is now $5.00 when you send it in. When did the rates go up??
    If I remember right it use to be $2.00.
    
    Somehow I think the Duke was responsible for this one also!!
    
    George
                                  

    	Geroge,
    
    	Not sure but it's been a while. One of the reasons for the $5 is to
    pay for the doe tag system. The lucky winners get to pay the expense
    while the unlucky only have to spen $.25 for the stamp and env. to send
    in to the drawing. Sounds fair to me. Let the winners foot the bill.
    
    	OOppsssssss, spoke to soon. On second hand we should let all who
    apply pay $ for the program. You see I just found out I got a permit
    for this year. Just trying to keep my expenses down. Let the winners
    pay all of it next year... ;^)
    
    	Steve

    re.0
    
    	Thanks for the info and taking the time to enter the number-
    
    
    				Charlie ( Who'll be looking for antlers
    		again this year

    For those of you who have sent in your $5.00 to receive your permit,
    has anyone received them back yet?
    
    When one of you do get your return, write a reply so I can keep
    a close eye on the mail box (It would be my luck the wife would
    throw it out by accident). Boy would that P_$$ me off!
    
    Thanks,
    George

    GEORGE AND OTHERS, IF YOU HAVENOT SENT THEM(PERMITS)IN TO WESTBORO
    DO LIKE I DID. CHECK AND PERMIT IN HAND I WENT TO WESTBORO AND WITHIN 
    2 MINUTES IN AND OUT WITH VALID PERMIT IN HAND. WITH MY LUCK, I'LL
    END UP WITH A DOE IN THE ARCHERY SEASON, AND AN INVALID PERMIT FOR
    SHOTGUN SEASON. GOOD HUNTING AND SAFETY FIRST.
    THE WARDEN
    

    Hey Warden,
    
    	I should have been smart enough to take a drive over to
    	Westboro instead of mailing it in. But I'll remember
    	that next time.
    
    	And I wouldn't complain about getting a Doe during Archery,
    	it would give me a better feeling getting a Doe than getting
    	nothing at all. But then again I hope you drop a Buck
    	bigger than Steve Drumm's "Pope and Young" record so we can
    	quiet him down a bit.
    
    	But then again if I happen to drop that BIG one it might
    	be hard to keep me quiet also!
    
    George

    	Deer Mr. Warden, I would like to inform you that you are the proud
    owner af a ticket that may allow you to take TWO baldies in Ma. this
    year. You see it is very simple. If you per-chance take a doe with your
    bow your doe-permit is still valid. I know it sounds fishy but this is
    not thew fly fishing note so it's not. The doe permit is for use in the
    gun season only!!!! Do not attach to a doe killed in the bow season!!!
    
    	If you doubt me just call your friendly Warden or read the laws.
    When you check in your bow deer if it is a doe they will issue you a
    second licence stub. This stub clearly states if the first deer was a
    doe the next must be a buck unless taken on a anterless permit during
    the shotgun season.
    
    	How big is you smile now?
    
    	Steve

    Sorry, you can not take two antlerless deer in Mass. No way.
    No how. If you have a doe permit for shotgun but take a doe
    in bow season, _throw the doe permit away_. Sorry. The regs
    clearly state 'no more than one antlerless deer per year'.
    

    ref .24/ref .25  .24 unless the Laws have changed this year, only
    1 doe per year and one antlered dear for a combo of a total of
    2 dear per year, read your Abstracts.ref .25 Your right! and I'm
    a retired Warden from Mass and I try to keep up with the Laws, if
    a Warden tells you that you can take 2 does, make him show you
    the Laws in black & white (ref.24) don't get caught. Good Luck
    All.
    The Warden

    re:.24
    Steve,
    
    only one antlerless deer may be taken in Ma.  If you take a doe during
    archery, your doe permit is now invalid.
    
    Fra

    	Well,,,, That's not what they tell me or what the second permit
    states. So until the local warden changes his story I must consider what
    he says is right. And he still says the permit is valid!!
    
    	Steve Just_keeping_it_going
     

    STEVE & OTHER HUNTERS IN THIS FILE. TAKE NOTICE! The limit on does
    per season is (1) One and the total limit is (2) Two. I just finished
    talking to the #2 Environmental Police Officer (Major Carrciolo) and
    He emphatically stated one doe per year and that of you happen to shoot
    a doe during the archery season, your doe permit is no longer valid.
    Steve, your local warden friend is blowing smoke for he does not know
    what he's talking about. If he's an Inland Officer, his Boss the Major
    would love to talk to him and straighten him out on the laws.
    
    Just remember each Hunter is responcible for knowing the laws of the
    sport limits and seasons. I'm not trying to burst Steve's bubble but
    if any of you are found to have taken 2 does in Mass during the 90
    calender year, the Fines are substancial and you can loose your
    Hunting,Fishing and Trapping Licenses for a Year. Good Hunting!
    The Warden (Mike McCarthy)DTN 297-6161
    

    re: everyone
    
    it is not; 1 doe per year 
    
    it is; 1 antlerless deer per year!
    
    Which means, if you shoot a button buck during the archery season, 
    your doe tag is now null and void for the shotgun season. It also 
    means that your any deer muzzleloader season is now buck only!
    
    Fra
    

    ref .30 thanks for the correction FRA, also those buttons have to
    be at least 3 inches to be considered a Buck. Two-Shay FRA!
    The Warden

    
    
    
    	Well I finally got the reply from the local warden, after another
    phone call by me. He has changed his story. He says he was mistaken and
    you can only take one bald deer per year. That coincides with the
    abstracts. I asked if he informend the check station so they know what
    the law is and he said yes as they were telling hunters what he had
    told them.
    
    	Oh well one is better than none.
    
    	Are you happy now Bob H. (he's a read only that won't let me rest
    till I input the final outcome. Keeps saying something about crow pie?
    Too bashful to write entries/reply's I guess.)
    
    	Steve
    

    
    Steve,
    
    You talking about me???
    
    --Bob
    

    Bob,
    
    	Nope, you aren't a read only. The Bob H. I speak of resides in WFO.
    He keeps leaving small nits-nats on my desk. Last week it was a copy of
    an abstracts with parts of it underlined, this morning I come in and
    find a news paper article on the bag limits, so on and so forth.......
    
    	As for crow pie, I don't have to eat it!! The Game Warden did that
    before I got to it.
    
    	Steve