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Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
Moderator:SALEM::PAPPALARDO
Created:Wed Sep 02 1987
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1561
Total number of notes:17784

540.0. "wildlife vs. progress" by ROULET::BING (The midnight train is whinin' low) Wed Nov 08 1989 09:08

    Well opening day of archery in Ma. was last monday. I had done some
    pre-season scouting and was feeling pretty good. I sat on a small
    ridge over looking a swamp and plenty of deer trails. To mke a long
    story short i did'nt see a thing all day. Normally I will see something. 
    About mid-day I started walking around and came across some pipes
    sticking out of the ground. There was writing on them and i did'nt
    pay much attention to them.  I kept on going for about another 300
    yards when i hit a dirt road that should not have been there. I
    followed it to see what was up and was dumbfounded. Progress had
    struck! Bulldozers had come in and leveled the place. There were
    new houses going up and plenty other lots marked off. The pipes
    I had seen turned out to be markers for future sites.
    
    Now I know why I had'nt seen any deer. They were forced to move
    elsewhere. It seems that no matter where you look a house or something
    is being built.  Sportsman are being blamed for killing off alot
    of wildlife but I blame Do-Gooders and Progress. I've been in this
    area in the summer and let me tell you. The mosquitos are BAD. They
    will pick you up and carry you home for supper. So what will happen
    is the Do-Gooders will spray pesticide to kill the Mosquitos, pollute
    the swamp that drains into a lake, pollute the lake and what ever
    that drains into. Killing off who knows how many birds and animals.
    
    It's a real shame stuff like this goes on. This state really s@$#s.
    I hope elsewhere in the US it is not like this. It is definitley
    time to move. If Dukakis can't stop hunting he will make it as hard
    as possible for us to hunt. The bum takes our money from the licenses
    etc. and uses it elsewhere.  Then houses go up eveywhere. Give me
    a break! 
                                      Walt
    
    
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540.1Development SKIVT::WENERWed Nov 08 1989 09:4314
    
    
    	Yeah, I know what you mean, a similar thing is occurring around
    the Burlington, VT area and in other parts of the state near the
    ski areas.  Right now there's a proposal to build a bunch of Condos
    in southern VT right smack dab in a DEER YARD!!  We're all sitting
    on the edge of our chairs waiting to see if act 250 holds up.  At
    first the proposal was turned down, but now it's in the appeal
    process.  The attitude of the developers is 'what's more important,
    a few deer, or taxes for the state' .  Can you believe it!!  I mean
    who was here first anyway.  Developers are going to kill Vermont
    eventually and I'm sure in time much of it will be like what you're
    seeing now in Mass.
    
540.2progress..???? ha!DISCVR::FERRAROWed Nov 08 1989 17:3312
    
    
    This past weekend I went to my favorite spot for small game,
    fox, racoon, squirrel and the such....
    
    Found a 3 to 4 acre area stripped out....  What a bummer...
    
    So now, who's to blame for thinning out the wildlife...?????
    
    
    Steamed,
    Greg
540.3it's more than a shameLESNET::JUCHWed Nov 08 1989 21:4714
    Even in Canada we loose covers.
    
    I constantly have to look for new covers - I find 1 new one for
    every 2 I loose.
    
    Peolpe build houses on cheap land or what's available.  In some
    places wetlands are what's available.  Money, and the doctrine of
    highest and best use always wins.
    
    Why can't the "environmentalists" unite with us against the common
    enemy, greed and development.
    
    wm.
    
540.4PERN::SAISIThu Nov 09 1989 12:425
    Let's not forget population control.  Unless we all want to live
    in highrises, the increase in the number of people is going to result
    in increasing development for homes, and industry to support everyone
    will increase regardless.
    	Linda
540.5Thanks to the lumber companys -AKOV75::ANDERSSONThu Nov 09 1989 18:428
    	Maybe we should be thankful the lumber companys own so much
    land in Maine.  Sure they butcher it but it all comes back.  And
    as long as they're making a decent profit they won't sell out to
    developers.  There has been talk that a couple of the smaller
    companys are struggling and have been approached by prospective
    buyers who want to build Maine up.
    
    
540.6Strip Cuts?BTOVT::WENER_RFri Nov 10 1989 09:2510
    
    
    	YES! YES! YES! I wish the whole state of VT was owned by either
    the lumber co's or was part of the National Forest.  Which brings
    up another question.  What do you guys all think of strip cuts?
       I'd really like to hear from you guys on this because there are
    lots of strip cuts where I hunt.
    
    - Rob
    
540.7HAZEL::LEFEBVREI'd rather be huntingFri Nov 10 1989 11:196
    I really believe strip cutting (albeit an eyesore) can be very good
    for promoting growth of the deer herd.  This leaves cover for the
    deer while at the same time providing browse in the area that is
    actually cut.
    
    Mark.
540.8Don't have to reseed-AKOV88::ANDERSSONMon Nov 13 1989 14:098
    re	last couple
    
    	I agree - strip cutting provides cover, food and good hunting.
    I think the reason it's done is because the growth will seed into
    the cuttings eliminating the need to replant.
    
    Andy
    
540.9a cut aboveSALEM::MACGREGORI'm the NRA/GONH/NAHCSat Jan 27 1990 12:4610
    In the White Mountains where the forest service allows woodcuts
    is where I happen to find large deer herds. We have been quite
    successful in spotting alot of deer in these areas. Even though
    they may be buck only areas, we end up spotting 3 to 4 bucks per
    group. The availability of food and cover is most of the time 
    excellent for them. But from what I understand most cuts are only
    good for a few years for deer. I guess this is why I notice about
    every five years loggers show back up in these same spots but cutting
    adjacent to where they had cut before.
    							Bret
540.10Article on hunting clearcutsCSCOA5::HUFFSTETLERReckless AbandonerMon Jan 29 1990 11:5818
Bret,

Georgia Sportsman had a good article a couple of years ago that 
talked specifically about how to hunt clearcuts.  The reason that 
I though of it was the authors broke the clearcuts down in terms 
of age and how well they could be hunted.  

From memory, a 1-2 year old clearcut is usually not too 
productive because of the lack of vegetation, both for cover and 
for food.  From 3-7 years, though, they were usually productive 
because the growth in the -cut served as browse and as good cover. 
From 8-~15, the -cut loses some effectiveness because the growth 
is starting to mature.  Finally, 16-20 years is the stage when it 
might be ripe for clear-cutting again.

Their research or theories support what you've seen...

Scott