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Conference turris::languages

Title:Languages
Notice:Speaking In Tongues
Moderator:TLE::TOKLAS::FELDMAN
Created:Sat Jan 25 1986
Last Modified:Thu May 22 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:394
Total number of notes:2683

251.0. "COBOL vs Pascal comparison, anyone?" by TURBO::PHANEUF (Business Info Tech (Prov 24:10-12)) Wed Sep 20 1989 16:18

                               Cross-posted from

               <<< TURRIS::NOTE$:[NOTES$LIBRARY]PASCAL.NOTE;1 >>>
                             -< VAX PASCAL Notes >-

                         where comparison is apparently
                                  NOT  INVITED

                 (What could the be afraid of, do you suppose?)

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Note 1386.0           Pascal v COBOL Comparison Available?            12 replies
TURBO::PHANEUF "Business Info Tech (Matt 11:12)"     36 lines   4-AUG-1989 10:49
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    Hi folks, 

    This is my first entry here, so please pardon a rather high degree of
    Pascal ignorance. 

    I don't know of any Digital comparison between VAX Pascal and VAX COBOL.
    Does anyone know of anyone ever doing a Pascal v COBOL funtional
    comparison? I searched TURRIS::PASCAL, and found none. I might find a
    textbook comparison of standard Pascal and standard COBOL, but that's
    not what I am looking for. 

    I am reviewing exclusively Pascal and COBOL. They will be used in an
    ACMS and Rdb/SQL environment, so their relative utility with regards to
    interfacing with Rdb/SQL is paramount. I need to make a 3GL
    recommendation for this ACMS/Rdb OLTP environment soon, and would
    appreciate some input. 

    This will be a new product, so conversion isn't an issue, but I *am*
    most familiar with Rdb, and will be learning SQL as a part of this
    project. Moreover, I have been writing COBOL for almost 10 years, but
    have only a reading familiarity with Pascal. 

    Nevertheless, I see one *major* benefit (I'm *sure* that there are many
    others - _PLEASE_ enlighten me!) to utilizing Pascal. That is that
    Pascal _ENFORCES_ structured coding methods. Besides, I get to learn
    Pascal better!! There is nothing worse, IMHO, that bad COBOL written by
    a human pasta generator. I'm sure that there is some bad Pascal around,
    too, but the nature of the language seems to mitigate against that
    tendency. Nothing helps bad design, but nothing is more frustrating that
    sloppy implementation of good design. 

    Any help will be appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Brian
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251.1TELFON::MAILMANSteve MailmanThu Sep 21 1989 18:4610
>                               Cross-posted from
>
>               <<< TURRIS::NOTE$:[NOTES$LIBRARY]PASCAL.NOTE;1 >>>
>                             -< VAX PASCAL Notes >-
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>                         where comparison is apparently
>                                  NOT  INVITED
    
    	No, not true.  We were just getting tired of you wasting
    	our time.
251.2DWOVAX::YOUNGWe're no worse than anyone else. :-( Thu Sep 21 1989 21:374
    If you are truly interested in comparing the benefits of COBOL vs.
    Pascal with regard to Rdb/SQL, then you should ask in an Rdb/SQL
    conference. That is where you are most likely to find people who have
    done Rdb/SQL programming in both languages.
251.3An excellent idea!! Or am I being shuffled off to Buffalo?TURBO::PHANEUFBusiness Info Tech (Prov 24:10-12)Tue Sep 26 1989 19:3718
    RE: < Note 251.2 by DWOVAX::YOUNG >


    > If you are truly interested in comparing the benefits of COBOL vs.
    > Pascal with regard to Rdb/SQL, then you should ask in an Rdb/SQL
    > conference. That is where you are most likely to find people who have
    > done Rdb/SQL programming in both languages.

    An excellent suggestion, on which I will follow through. However, I do
    chafe a bit at the presumption that I might have some hidden agenda
    ("If you are truly interested in..."). Why can't people take others at
    face value and assume the best about them, at least until shown otherwise?

    I'm off again...

    Thanks,

    Brian
251.4Great! Follow His Suggestion, and He Swats You Again!TURBO::PHANEUFBusiness Info Tech (Prov 24:10-12)Tue Sep 26 1989 19:4111
    Re: < Note 251.1 by TELFON::MAILMAN >
    
    > No, not true.  We were just getting tired of you wasting our time.

    Well, excuuuuuse me!! Somehow, I thought that the exchange of information
    and the relieve of specific ignorances what the PURPOSE of Notes 
    Conferences!! Pardonnez moi, monsieur, for have wasted YOUR precious time!

    Harrumph!! 8^{(

    Brian
251.5GIDDAY::GILLINGSHave we fixed it yet?Tue Sep 26 1989 21:5024
   re .4:
>    Well, excuuuuuse me!! Somehow, I thought that the exchange of information
>    and the relieve of specific ignorances what the PURPOSE of Notes 
>    Conferences!!
    
    This is a fair description of the purpose of NOTEs conferences. However,
    *noone is under any obligation whatsoever to answer your notes*. The
    tone of some of your notes (and I've read the ones in the PASCAL
    conference as well) imply that you expect to not only have have a right to
    have your notes answered but that the answer should be what you wanted
    to hear. Snide comments about "what have they got to hide" and thinly
    veiled threats that unless you hear something good you won't use whoevers
    favorite language won't get you anything except perhaps some flames. I
    didn't attempt to answer your questions, even though I have some
    experience in both languages because I would put your question in the same
    class as:
      "I want to buy a new vehicle, should I buy a delivery van or a
       Volkswagen beetle?".
    It's all a matter of what you want to do with it, what your needs are and
    above all what your tastes/religion dictates.
    
    Mr Moderator: Should this note be write locked?
    						John Gillings, Sydney CSC
                                                   
251.6qualified because...DWOVAX::YOUNGWe're no worse than anyone else. :-( Wed Sep 27 1989 17:1915
    Re .4:
    
    Sorry, I did not intend to imply that you had concious hidden agenda.
    
    I only meant that if the only comparision between VAX COBOL and VAX
    Pascal you were interested in was their merits with regard to Rdb/SQl,
    then that was the place to go.  If however, you were interested in the
    larger question of comparing VAX COBOL and VAX Pascal in general, then
    that was probably not the place to go.
    
    I qualified it thus because some of your questions in .0 seemed to be
    about them in general, rather than just their Rdb/SQL aspects.  No need
    to infer the worst about me, either.
    
    --  Barry