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Title: Soccer Football Conference
Notice:Don't forget your season ticket.....
Moderator:MOVIES::PLAYFORD
Created:Thu Aug 08 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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260.0. "Scottish clubs in Europe 92/93" by MASALA::JOWENS () Thu Sep 10 1992 18:12

    With the impending annual post mortem of Scottish clubs exiting
    from European club competitions being only a few weeks away,
    I think the time is nigh to have a topic for this year's extremely
    short event.......the discussion of how far into the relevant
    tournaments Scottish teams will progress, my predictions are as
    follows :-
    
    Airdrie v Sparta Prague.........immediate exit, no contest for the
                                    Czechs.
    
    Slavia Prague v Hearts..........another immediate exit, Henry Smith
                                    will be on treble time due to the
                                    amount of work he'll be putting in.
    
    Hibernian v Anderlecht..........akin to East Fife v East Germany,
                                    all over after 20 mins of the 1st
                                    leg.
    
    Cologne v Celtic..............Trouncing for the Celts, NO possibility,
                                  even at the top of their form, of
                                  progressing any further......too many
                                  players simply not good enough at that
                                  level, Galloway, Mowbrainless etc.
    
    Rangers v Lyngby..............YET another Euro embarrassment for the
                                  Ibrox multi-millionaires (in debt),
                                  especially with "players" of the class
                                  of Brown, McPherson etc.
    
    The local rags will be filled with the usual horror tales of how
    easy it was for the foreigners this time next week, headlines
    such as :-
    
    "Airdrie kicked into submission by no-nonsense Czechs"
    
    "Hearts sucker-punched by Craig Levein"
    
    "Hibs avalanched.....but Jackson almost scores"
    
    "Celts caught on break after cavalier madness"
    
    "McPherson floors Gers"
    
    
    Get the drift..........as the doctor says "This won't take long, it'll
    be painless and EASY. -) -)
    
    
                                                       8-) Jonno.
    
                                  
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260.1To space cadet JonnoKURMA::SNEILBetter not mess with Major Tom.Fri Sep 11 1992 03:575
    
     I'll have a pint off what ever you've just had.
    
      SQF Blue nose
260.2Future NewsPaper HeadlinesIRNBRU::MACKENZIETaxes, I have a sister who lives in TaxesFri Sep 11 1992 19:0327
    Airdrie v Sparta Prague....
     First Leg 1 -1 , late Czech goal stuns brave Airdrie
     2nd Leg   0 -6 , Airdrie thumped by Magyar-like Czechs
    
    Slavia Prague v Hearts...
     First Leg 4 -0 , Hearts beaten by Magyar-like Czechs (?)
     2nd Leg   1 -4 , Smith mistake lets in Czechs
    
    Hibs v Anderlect...
     First Leg 0 -0 , Hibs fail to score against Magyar like, eh, not
    			Czechs at all.
     2nd Leg   3 -7 , Wright hatrick cancelled out by lucky not-Czechs.
    
    Cologne v Celtic...
     First Leg 3 -3 , Slater hatrick gives Celts hope against Germans who
    			are a little bit Magyar-like.
     2nd Leg   1 -0 , Mowbury own goal prompts Brady sacking.
    
    
    Rangers v Lyngby...
     First Leg 3 -0 , Magyar-like Gers thump dismal Danes.
     2nd Leg   0 -5 , Eight sent off as dazzling Danes destroy Gers who now
    		wish they hadn't wasted a million plus on Dave McPherson.
    

    dave (no touch on the Daily record)
    
260.3Would I pay to watch Airdrie ???MIACT::RANKINEMon Sep 14 1992 18:584
    When are the ties played in Prague...Im over there on business soon and
    it would be nice to take in a game, even Airdrie I suppose !!
    
    paul
260.4PAKORA::JJACKOnce a Tim..always a Tim !Tue Sep 15 1992 04:525
    
    Hearts are In Prague on the 16th of this month, whilst Airdrie
    take on Sparta on the 29th or 30th.
    
    
260.5some hope for JocksGALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Tue Sep 15 1992 13:526
    
    Rangers should get through.  They probably won't be humiliated until
    the second round this year.  Celtic have an outside chance too as IFC
    Koeln are having an awful season.
    
    Gary.
260.6uncertain result ?PLAYER::LESOILTue Sep 15 1992 16:148
    
    The Hibs are already playing tonight. Nobody going to see the match ?
    Anyway its life here on our Belgian TV.
    
    Hope to see some goals - on the good side.
    
    
    Philippe (an Anderlecht fan)...
260.7It`s only a game...After words.MASALA::BFINLAYTHE HIBINATORTue Sep 15 1992 16:5821
      Well Philippe it looks like you can say goodbye to any
      more trips abroad because after the visit to Easter Road
      where the mighty Hibernian play you will be as good as out
      of this competition.We are past masters in European Competitions
      and we are martching onto the final.  Goodbye Anderlecht....
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
       Only kidding......       Hibernian   1   v  3 Anderlecht
    
                                Anderlecht  4   v  0 Hibernian
    
                                Agg         7   v  1
    
    
      The Mad Hibby.
260.8Take that ya chancers -) -)MASALA::JOWENSTue Sep 15 1992 17:0226
    Yes, I tend to agree with Gary's remarks, Rangers will go no further
    than the 2nd round, if that, they will certainly not reach the
    mini league stages, they are not good enough for even average 
    European teams, although I've no doubt Walter Smith would like to
    change that situation, he has a good midfield and front-line,
    however, the defence will leak goals, especially via Brown and
    McPherson......they also appear to never be able to score away from
    home and avoid conceding at home......most of the teams they play 
    rarely need to do anything other than win on the away goals rule.
    
    The same applies to Celtic, good midfield, reasonable front-line and
    hash defence, they will also concede goals, if Cologne were not
    playing badly at the moment they would knock Celtic out easily, however,
    they'll only get as far as the 2nd round anyway.
    
    The rest are no-hopers......they are garbage in all departments, 
    apart from the odd flash-in-the-pan league results.
    
    I see no reason for optimism, especially when you consider Scots teams
    past record in European competitions.......it will be another case
    of laughing stocks of Europe in a few weeke time, the sooner we face
    reality the more likelihood there is for REAL changes in the Scottish
    game to take place.                            
    
    
    Jonno and friends
260.9Drinking at lunchtime ??..not me !!MIACT::RANKINETue Sep 15 1992 21:3510
    
    
    I see no reason why Rangers should not progress into the next round. 
    Celtic have a chance if they can stop committing defensive suicide,
    only on the strength that Cologne are playing badly.  Im prepared to
    accept that Hibs and Airdrie will go out in a blaze of no-glory, and
    Hearts ??? well its up to them. All I can hope for is that they all
    play to their best abilities and try to do us proud.  Come on ALL you
    Scots teams, gerrrintaethem !!           I wish them ALL the best.
    Paul
260.10Tonights ScoresMASALA::SWRIGHTWed Sep 16 1992 02:198
    Airdrie 0     Sparta Prague 1
    
    Cologne 2     Celtic  0
    
    Hibs    2     Anderlect  2
    
    
    
260.11What a load of rubbishKIRKTN::JOWENSWed Sep 16 1992 13:2425
    Oh Dear, yet another Euro whitewash !!!
    
    3 out, 2 to go
    
    Anderlecht will slice Hibs apart in Belgium, despite Miller's crazy
    comments.
    
    Airdrie will also be sliced apart in Prague.
    
    Celtic will lose the goal at home that leads to their exit, they'll
    probably win on the night though.
    
    The other two will commit hari-kari as well, Hearts tie will be beyond
    them after tonight and Rangers will lose at least one goal at home,
    as USUAL, and make the tie that bit easier for what would appear to be
    a very average team.
    
    
    Maybe being banned from Europe due to joining the SSL might not be
    too bad an idea after all, save the annual embarrasment.
    
    
    Jonno.
    
    
260.122-nil and playing badlyKIRKTN::GMCKEEThu Sep 17 1992 16:448
    
    Rangers 2 Lyngby BK 0
    
    Slavia Prague 1  Hearts 0
    
    
    Rangers should easily make the next round and Hearts have a good
    chance. 
260.13Euro predictionKIRKTN::JOWENSMon Sep 28 1992 19:3030
    
    Just a wee piece of Euro info. 
    
    Lyngby's big Nigerian defender has walked out of the club due to a pay
    dispute. He now wants to play in England or France. Also there is only
    a crowd of 8-10 thousand expected at the game (including 2000 Gers) due
    to Lyngby's poor start to the season.
    
       Final predictions for this week:
    
    
        Rangers - May get through but will need to score an away goal.
    
        Hearts  _ I reckon they'll win on the night 2-1 and go out on away
    goals
    
        Celtic  - 3-1 victory and out. They have the ability to score but
    not the ability to defend.
    
        Hibs    - Very little chance, probably losing 1 or 2 nil on the
    night.
    
        Airdrie - Wasted trip!
    
    
      So after the midweek games we should have 1 team left in or if we
    carry a lot of luck maybe 2. Wow. 8-} 
    
    
           Jonno
260.14Wonder what the odds are ?ULYSSE::BREADIETue Sep 29 1992 15:023
    Oh ye of little faith !
    
    Rangers + Celtic + Hearts all to qualify for next round.
260.15Farewell Hibs 8-(KIRKTN::JOWENSWed Sep 30 1992 14:0512
    Oh dear,
            1 down 4 to go. Hibs according to the press were a bit unlucky.
    Such is the way of things for Scottish clubs.
    
     re-1. I have little faith due to our dismal record and am only putting
    forward personal predictions, not what I hope happens. Like I said if
    we have 2 teams in the draws for the next round it will be surprising.
    
      2 out of 5 would hardly give Scottish football a good name!
    
           Jonno
    
260.16CONGRATS TO THE SCOTSMACNAS::SMORANThu Oct 01 1992 01:105
    
    Congrats to Hearts, Rangers and Celtic.
    Commiserations to Leeds but what a way to go out.
    
    Stephen
260.17Success at last!!!!!!!!!PAKORA::JOWENSThu Oct 01 1992 13:0725
    Last night's scores.
    
    
          Lyngby      0-1    Rangers  (0-3)
                            (Durrant)
    
          Celtic      3-0    Cologne  (3-2)
      (McStay,Creaney
          Collins)
    
          Hearts      4-2    Slavia Prague (4-3)
      (MacKay,Baird
      Levein,Snodin)
    
      Sp. Prague      2-1    Airdrie (3-1)
                             (Black)
    
    
        Well, congratulations must be given to the Scottish teams as a
    whole with exceptional performances from Hearts & Celtic. The reasults
    definately suprised me. Now to look forward to round TWO!!
    
    
           Jonno
    
260.18NEXT ROUND FIXTURESAYOV11::ATODMANFri Oct 02 1992 16:1814
    
    
    IN THE NEXT ROUND, 
    
    RANGER V STUTTGARD OR LEEDS UTD.
    
    CELTIC V BORUSSIA DORTMAND
    
    HEARTS OPPOSITION WAS STILL TO BE CONFIRMED WHEN I HEARD ON THE RADIO.
    
    EXCUSE THE SPELLING,
    
    ARNIE
         
260.19XSTACY::KMCGRATHLong road, patient donkeyFri Oct 02 1992 16:561
I think its Hearts v Standard Liege (Belgium)
260.20ROUND 2MASALA::JOWENSWed Oct 21 1992 19:2827
    Well, seeing as how this note has been neglected of late here we go
    again.
    
     Last night Celtic turned in (according to radio & papers) a very
    creditable performance. They now should have an excellent chance of
    making round 3. I hope that they do as it can only be good for Scottish
    football. Their biggest worry is surely the dreaded away goal. 
    
     Rangers versus Leeds. You just have to observe some of the notes in
    the conference to see the interest this one has generated. I,
    personally fancy Rangers to go through 3-1 on aggregate (2-0 & 1-1). It
    is not an easy tie to pick a winner from at all. Whoever shows the most
    `bottle' will walk away with the QF place.
    
     Hearts versus Liege. This is a bit tricky with Liege mouthing off
    about how bad Hearts are. This may just inspire Hearts to greater
    things. They are slightly disadvantaged being at home for the first leg
    and can't rely on an inspired second leg comeback. Joe Jordan thinks
    that Liege are technically no better than Slavia Prague.
    
    
     Good Luck to them all,
    
         Jonno.
    
    PS If we have 2 clubs in after this round we're doing OK.
       
260.21Come on you ScotsMIACT::RANKINEThu Oct 22 1992 17:088
    
    Well so far Im proud of how our boys have done.  The teams still in it
    have a chance to go through, although Hearts task looks difficult. 
    Neither Hibs or Airdrie disgraced themselves in going out, and Rangers
    and Celtic have good chances of progressing.  Lets hope that they
    perform to their best abilities in 2 weeks time.
    
    Paul
260.22rat hole rat hole ...UNTADA::BIRSEC'mon ra 'D'Fri Oct 23 1992 13:328
Re .-1


Would this be Paul 'have you got a tyre for an Alfa' Rankine.

The talk of Munich :^)...

Malcolm
260.23It jumped out in front of me ..honestMIACT::RANKINEMon Oct 26 1992 22:034
    Re -1,  yep the same one...but in my defence the kerbs in Prague are
    very sharp...one little nudge and the tyre goes....
    
    Paul
260.24Last rathole entry....honest....UNTADA::BIRSEC'mon ra 'D'Tue Oct 27 1992 10:454
And what's yer excuse for 'running away' from these quiet little leather clad
chaps in the U.S.

Thought life might get to be a 'drag'   :^)...
260.25Rolling pins at dawn ???MIACT::RANKINEWed Oct 28 1992 15:228
    Not to be dragged into a rathole but I must respond to -1.
    
    Running away once from approx. a dozen Hells Angels is more credible than
    running away from 'a wee Scottish wifie' on a regular basis......
    
    The talk of Europe...??
    
    Paul
260.26UNTADA::BIRSEC'mon ra 'D'Wed Oct 28 1992 15:273
260.27Loadsa :-) :-) :-)MIACT::RANKINEWed Oct 28 1992 15:4215
    
    Malcolm,
    
    I forgot to put in a whole load of :-) :-) :-)'s
    
    Back to the note...
    
    I read that Rangers may be without both Gough and Steven for the Leeds
    return game, which would be a big blow to them.  Im hoping/predicting a
    1-1 draw at Elland Rd, but the absence of Gough and Steven would mean
    the loss of key men in critical areas, and that could swing it Leeds'
    way.....heres hoping for a quick recovery for them..Gough has a groin
    strain and Steven a torn calf muscle.
    
    Paul
260.28Post MortemMASALA::JOWENSThu Nov 05 1992 19:3346
    
     Well, we could have had all 3 teams through if:
    
      1) Hearts had any luck.
      2) Swedish referees had more bottle.
      3) Celtic had played for longer than 40 minutes.
    
    
     After watching the Hearts and Celtic games on TV they just weren't
    meant to win. The refereeing on Tuesday night was inconsistent in the
    extreme. How the German right back stayed on the park I'll never know.
    Today in the press the Germans manager said that Celtic forgot that the
    ball was on the park. Did he watch the same game?? Hearts last night
    played very well for the first 45 and could of equalised through Tosh
    Mckinlay but once Liege got the goal the match was finished as a
    contest.
    
     Unlucky but at least there's is hope for the future of both teams as
    they both seemed to play nice football in patches.
    
    
     On a happier note Rangers stuffed it up the oh-so-cocky English with 2
    very good perfomances. Goram was immense last night, as was the rest of
    the back 4. Cantona will be sick of the sight of a *Scottish* keeper
    after that game.
    
     For Rangers to do well(ie reach the final) they could do with a couple
    of breaks in Fridays draw in Zurich. I would like to see them missing
    AC Milan & PSV. If they do that I think that with a bit of luck they
    can go to the final in May.
    
     The remaining clubs are :  Rangers
                                AC Milan
                              PSV Eindhoven
                               FC Brugges
                               CSKA Moscow
                               Marseilles
                               FC Porto
                               Gothenberg.
    
          Jonno
    
    PS Rangers are second favourites according to the bookies at 5-1 with
    AC Milan favourites at 4-5.
    
    
260.29Durrant is something SPECIALMACNAS::SMORANFri Nov 06 1992 03:3411
    If they are lucky enough to keep away from AC Milan, then I think
    Rangers have a good chance of getting to the final. In a once of
    situation (if it is AC) anything can happen. I think 5/1 is a good
    bet. Are ITV covering the round robin matches. Good luck to Rangers,
    I think yee supprised a lot of people and I wish Durrant was Irish
    or even his great great grandmother but I still hope you lose
    on Saturday.
    
    Stephen
    
    
260.30TRUCKS::WARDRFri Nov 06 1992 14:145
    RE: AC Milan - didn't Marseille beat them fair and square a couple
    of seasons ago to reach the final ??   Is the Milan team better now
    than it was then ??
    
    Ray
260.31Euro info.MASALA::JOWENSFri Nov 06 1992 16:3730
    re.-2
          Don't know what British TV station have the rights. An Italian
    Company (I think) have the rights to all the round robin games. ITV
    will have to talk to them.
    
    re.-1
          AC Milan were beaten by Marseilles 2 seasons ago. This also
    resulted in a 1 year ban from Europe. I would say now they are better
    side, unbeaten for 41 matches in Serie A. They have bought more players
    of late, Lentini, Papin and of course Gullit is fit again. We are
    getting Italian soccer live in the UK and they look formidable. The
    "Dream Team" of European football as it were.
    
    
       The Rangers group for qualifying is:
    
    
                        Rangers
                       Marseilles
                      CSKA Moscow
                       FC Brugges
    
       I think this gives them a very good chance of going all the way. My
    concern would not be Marseilles but the Russians as all the Russian
    clubs seem to be doing well in Europe this year. Good news to miss
    Milan & PSV at this stage. Don't know the dates for the games yet.
    
    
           Jonno
    
260.32All games live...MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Fri Nov 06 1992 17:277
    
    
    re last few
    
     Scottish Television will cover all 6 Rangers games live.
    
    Danny.
260.33FixturesMASALA::JOWENSFri Nov 06 1992 17:497
    
     re-1  Cheers.
    
     For fixture List see 47.492.................
    
         Jonno
    
260.34Specially for us Jocks south of the border ??MIACT::RANKINEMon Nov 09 1992 16:5112
    
    I think that ITV will be covering them also, but not sure if they will
    be live.  I think that they will only be showing the games that rangers
    will be involved in.  Given that not all ITV regions were going to
    cover the Elland Rd tie until the last minute (eg Thames), then there
    is no guarantee that it will be national coverage.
    
    I suppose if Yorkshire Tv cover it, the theme tune will be  "It should
    have been me" sung by HW under the title of Captain Sensible....or Eric
    Cantona doing a very emotional version of "No regrets" ????
    
    Paul