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| 246.1 | | PEKING::NAGLEJ | | Fri Jul 03 1992 17:22 | 4 |
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It all sounds far too money grabbing financial to me.
JN.
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| 246.2 | too quiet too long | ULYSSE::BREADIE | | Fri Jul 03 1992 17:27 | 2 |
| The financial criteria can't be high if Celtic are involved >*
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| 246.3 | Not just the 'tic | AYOV27::MRENNISON | Think it over Creep | Fri Jul 03 1992 20:44 | 5 |
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That thought occurred to me too. I understand that this year was
the first time that Dundee Utd went into the red as well.
Mark
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| 246.4 | ??? | PAKORA::GMCDONALD | HOME BOY | Sat Jul 04 1992 17:12 | 9 |
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I think the league's had to be changed but I'm not sure about
this set up. It will mean a more attractive premier and first division
but what of the teams demoted to the 2nd north and south they would go
to the wall without the revenue of the visiting clubs from the 1st
div.
Gra.
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| 246.5 | | PAKORA::ISUTHERLAND | I drink Bucky,(Wi Aspirin tops). | Wed Jul 08 1992 02:09 | 3 |
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What seems to puzzle me is that if stadia is an important criteria,
then why have Celtic and Hearts been asked to join.
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| 246.6 | Lots of fans = big money,better parks,good teams. | PAKORA::CDOUDIE | I'm the best goalie in SQF | Wed Jul 08 1992 21:23 | 23 |
| re -1
ok Iain, Celtic and hearts are both in the process of trying to upgrade
or move and build other stadiums. A lot of it may be media hype, but
Celtic do pull the fans and I think they now realise they are lagging
behind Rangers as stadium and team (I really hated typing that) goes.
Mercer is a buisness man ?? and he is trying to do something, but
Edinburgh keep bringing up excuses. Re the share with Hibs or the first
application was rejected because there was no public facilities
involved....they went with another application with access for Joe
public and that got knocked back as well.
I don't mean any disrespect or offence by my next remark....
As the saying goes..there has to be an accident or such like before
some things are done, and if it hadn't been for the Ibrox disaster,
Rangers' stadium might still be in a similar state as Celtic Park.
Scottish football needs a Celts and Gers and all the other teams as
well. If only Rangers were in the super league, who would they play ??
Colin.
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| 246.7 | Did that bait taste good Colin?;>) | PAKORA::ISUTHERLAND | I drink Bucky,(Wi Aspirin tops). | Thu Jul 09 1992 04:24 | 10 |
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Latest:
Hibs and St.Johnstone have now been invited to join the breakaway boys,
with Dunfermline,Dundee,Kilmarnock and Partick Thistle fighting it out
to be the eighth and possibly last team to be asked to join.Dunfermline
are reckoned to be the favourites.
By the sounds of it,it seems as if it's going to be a sort of
franchise system,with promotion and relegation only determined by how
much cash you've got,(or haven't got).
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| 246.8 | Money talks. | PAKORA::CDOUDIE | I'm the best goalie in SQF | Thu Jul 09 1992 15:48 | 10 |
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Dunfermline do look to be favourites as they do get reasonable crowds.
The other supporters might not agree with that though !!
I feel that for the size of Scotland and population, their are too
many senior clubs anyway.
Thats my opinion anyway. Freindly replies only please 8*)
Colin
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| 246.9 | 8 clubs play each other 5 times ??...sounds boring | MIACT::RANKINE | | Fri Jul 10 1992 16:24 | 8 |
| Re .6
I think the major reason for Ibrox being the superb stadium it it, is
due to the amount of money made available to the club for ground
developmemt via the Rangers Pools. Now that Ibrox is 'fully developed'
(if there is such a state), what will the money be used for now ??
paul
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| 246.10 | Dum who?? | KIRKTN::GMCDONALD | HOME BOY | Tue Jul 14 1992 02:03 | 12 |
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I would think that Motherwell would get the 8th slot as they are
the only team outwith the 7 that has really started to try and achieve
an all seater stadium.They also have a few quid in the bank and I think
that will be taken into consideration.Although their poor support may
let them down ,if this was the case it should then go to Killie who
have got the best off the field set up outside the old firm and a
support to match any of the other contenders..
Graeme.
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| 246.11 | Did I mention money ???? | KIRKTN::CDOUDIE | I'm the best goalie in SQF | Tue Jul 14 1992 04:58 | 17 |
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Re .9
My point wasn't where the money comes from, but part of the reasons
why the upgrade of Ibrox started in the early 70's.
Another reason being that all stadia have to be seated was the start
of the serious trouble caused mainly by hooliganism. If it wasn't for
this all seater stadia would not be needed.
Anyway for the scottish climate, Ibrox isn't that great. Whenever
they put a roof on and heat the full stadium, then it might be
classed as a great stadium. 8*)
The American football teams have it right.
Colin
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| 246.12 | Deja vu all over again? | SALES::THILL | | Tue Jul 14 1992 18:57 | 15 |
| I don't know the history of the Scottish League, so please forgive any
seemingly stupid observations. Wasn't the current "Premier" league
formed as a smaller-is-better setup with only the best clubs, instead
of a larger First Division with 18 or so teams? With this proposal, it
seems that making an 8-team "Super League" out of a league that used to
be only 10 teams a couple of years ago, doesn't make a lot of sense. Or
is this similar to what's happening in England, where the real dispute
is how much of a share of the money each club gets?
re -1 What do you mean, "The American Football teams have the right
idea"? You can't mean domed stadia... Actually, a Spring-Summer-Fall
league would be much better from a weather/pitch conditions/fan comfort
perspective, but who cares about that when there's money to be made?
Tom
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| 246.13 | David Murray says..... | AYOV16::RENNISON | Think it over Creep | Wed Aug 12 1992 16:51 | 19 |
| David Murray (who talks an awful lot of sense for a Blue-Nose :-) ) was on the TV
the other night talking about the Super League and why he feels it is necessarry.
Apparently he and and a couple of other directors sent a document to the Scottish
League detailing why they were proposing a breakaway. The issues were along the
lines of too many games, not enough backing for the national team, the poor
quality of the games (spectator sport ? A joke, surely.) etc...
But what did the Scottish League do to address these issues ? Thay sent David
Murray a letter detailing legal technicalities over the timing of the proposed
departure from the current set-up. It is precisely because of this attitude that
Murray and the others believe that change is necessarry. The Scottish League are
not interested in addressing the problems that are plain for everyone to see .
Instead they are holding off till the last with pathetic excuses like "legal
difficulties".
For once, I find myself wishing David Murray all the best in one of his
footballing ventures.
Mark
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| 246.14 | concern for the game or cash? | CASEE::MERRICK | Aspiring to a writers block... | Wed Aug 12 1992 19:08 | 2 |
| S'funny, those sentiments were just what the "Premier League" in
England claimed before the sound of cash registers were heard...
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| 246.15 | | MASALA::SNEIL | WESAYSO INC | Fri Aug 14 1992 14:42 | 11 |
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I think we're kidding our selfs on if we think it's for any other
reason than cash.If it was for a high standard of football why not just
make it 3 points for a win(or just for an away win)Maybe some English
supporters help us here by saying if a 3 points for a win helped there
game any.Murry has a lot of good ideas but this ain't one.Something has
to be done to sort out the voting system,we can't really expect a
second div team with 500 supporters to have the same say as Rangers
with 35,000.
SQF Blue nose
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| 246.16 | | AYOV16::RENNISON | Think it over Creep | Fri Aug 14 1992 16:25 | 16 |
| >> Something has
>> to be done to sort out the voting system,we can't really expect a
>> second div team with 500 supporters to have the same say as Rangers
>> with 35,000.
I think that this is precisely why the new League is being called for. For years
people have been saying exactly this and yet nothing has been done. The other
clubs have had their chance to sort this out but have chosen to line their own
pockets at the expense of the Old Firm and the quality of Scottish Football.
Fans are simply fed up with too many meaningless games. This is even spilling
over to apathy for the more *important* ones. Just look at the attendances for
the two (OLd Firm) Skol Cup games this week. The combined attendance was less
than 20,000.
Mark - Still in favour of the Super League
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| 246.17 | | PAKORA::SNEIL | WESAYSO INC | Fri Aug 14 1992 16:42 | 14 |
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>>Fans are simply fed up with too many meaningless games. This is even spilling
>>over to apathy for the more *important* ones. Just look at the attendances for
>>the two (OLd Firm) Skol Cup games this week. The combined attendance was less
>>than 20,000.
This is why I think a play of system would be good.A 10 team premier
league which would break off,top six fight it out for the title and the
bottom 4 play either top 4 or 6 of the first division with the top 4
going into the premier for the next season.Maybe as an extract
insentive giving the winners a UEFA cup place.
SQF blue nose
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| 246.18 | Football will be the loser | GALVIA::SPAIN | There's always the U.S. | Fri Aug 14 1992 17:12 | 11 |
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If the the top 6/8 break away then the rest have nothing left to fight
for. The rich get richer and the poor go to the wall. Ultimately
Scottish football will lose.
Without the Stranraers, the Forfars and the Meadowbanks there will be
nowehere for young players to come through.
Furthermore Rangers are already way ahead of the rest of the so called
super league clubs. How long before Rangers jump ship and join a
European Super league?
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| 246.19 | | MASALA::SNEIL | WESAYSO INC | Fri Aug 14 1992 17:18 | 13 |
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>>If the the top 6/8 break away then the rest have nothing left to fight
>>for. The rich get richer and the poor go to the wall. Ultimately
>>Scottish football will lose.
The bottom 6 of the first go into a playoff with the top 4 of the 2nd
Div.with the top 6 going into the 1St div.
I agree there must be a place for the small club but lets face it the
bottom half of the 2nd Div are going nowhere.
Somthing has to be done or Scottish football willbe wasted by the
spoiler tatics of a lot of Scottish teams.
SQF blue nose
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| 246.20 | Let them go!!!! | KIRKTN::GMCDONALD | HONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIES | Sat Aug 15 1992 08:00 | 17 |
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Re last, I don't think the "rest" depend quite so much on the "old firm"
as they used to do . Most teams now have ground capasities
around 10,000 so the days of the Celts and Gers bringing
20,000 fans into town are well gone.
If these two break away to a British or Euro league,and lets
face these are the only teams that Europe or England would
want,it would leave the Scottish game a far more compeditive
game with teams chaseing the title instead of avoiding
relegation .This way lead to an increace in the provinsial
gates.( just a thought ).
SQF HONEST MAN..
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| 246.21 | Euro Super League. I doubt it. | AYOV11::RENNISON | Think it over Creep | Mon Aug 17 1992 16:24 | 6 |
| I think we"ve got to be realistic about the Old Firm joining a Euro Super League.
Let"s face it. Neither team is good enough.
Rangers can't get by the first round and Celtic can"t even qualify on their own
merits.
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| 246.22 | | KURMA::SNEIL | Fancy some financial advice darlin' | Tue Aug 25 1992 06:33 | 6 |
| D.Murray said it him self,A super league isn't about how good your team
is,it's about how good your facilities are and the state of your
finance's.
SQF Blue nose
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| 246.23 | So how would Celtic get in then??? @:^)) | KURMA::SNEIL | Fancy some financial advice darlin' | Tue Aug 25 1992 06:34 | 6 |
| D.Murray said it him self,A super league isn't about how good your team
is,it's about how good your facilities are and the state of your
finance's.
SQF Blue nose
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| 246.24 | 8*)) | MASALA::JJACK | | Sat Aug 29 1992 02:03 | 5 |
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Re.last & 2nd last
We heard you the 1st time !!
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