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    I'll start with some..
    
    Too many :
    
    Ray Wilkins..although hes been playing well for last couple of seasons
    Willie Miller &
    Alex McLeish ....a bigger pair of puddins you couldnt meet
    Tony Adams
    Chris Waddle..the surprising thing was, that when his game really
                  improved in France, he was no longer picked.
    Tony Cascarino
    
    Too few :
    
    Gary mabbutt
    Alan Hansen ...how Miller kept him out is beyond me
    Trevor Steven 
    
    Im sure thers more.
    
    paul
    

    Too Many :-
    
    John Barnes. Need I say more ?
    
    Going back a good few years, Mick Channon.

    Too few:
    
    Glenn Hoddle - genius, slighted because he failed to be a Robbo type
                   workhorse midfielder.

    
    Too few..
    
    	Malcolm McDonald (While at Newcastle and Arsenal)
    	Glenn Hoddle (Totally agree with the last two replies)

    
    Here in Holland - Too often: Ronald Koeman
    				 Erwin Koeman
    				 Richard Witschke
    				 Robbie Witschke
    				 Stanley Menzo
                                 Wim Kieft
    				
    		      Too few:   Arnold Muhren ( in his time)
    				 Frans Thijssen    
        			 de Goey (Feyenoord's goalkeeper)
    				 Gaston Taument
    				 Reggie Blinker
    				 
    In England -      About time that Taylor got his act together and
    		      selected Lee Chapman and John Lukic.
    
    
    Tim
    
    		      
                  

    
    Too many.....
    
    Steve Foster, Terry Fenwick, Dennis Wise, Geoff Thomas, Luther Blisset
    
    Too few......
    
    Trevor Steven, Gary Stevens - hopefully they'll both make up for lost
    time now.
    
    paul

    Paul
    
    You forgot Peter Reid.
    
    What did you think about Bracewell on Sat - I thought he had a good
    game - pity we got rid of him so quick - his face said it all when he
    got his medal - sick as a parrot.
    
    Nigel

    
    Too many:
    Steve Archibald...Surely the luckiest player to have played
                      professional football.
    Brian McClair.....never produced club form internationally.
    Mike Galloway.....No explaination required surely.
    Dave McPherson....See above.
    
    Too few.
    Kenny Dalglish....Greatest living Scotsman.Deserved more than the hundred
                      odd he got.
    Charlie Nicholas...Only himself to blame.
    

    Too many: Luc Sonor (Remember Soctland-France, 1989).

    Re previous few..
    
    Surely Dalglish got as many as he could get..I dont recall him being
    dropped or missing too many..pity he couldnt play for his country as
    well as he did his clubs....so perhaps he had too many ??? :-). I
    should state that I was a great fan of Kenny as a player.
    
    I recall a England v W. Germany game held in South America when England
    won 3-0, and it was the best performance, IMHO, that I had seen from
    England.  I put this down to their midfield..Robbo, Peter reid and
    glenn hoddle....Robbo and Reid running around marking and winning the ball
    and Hoddle just oozing class. To me it was a combination made in heaven
    which was broken when Wilkins was picked again....nothing against Ray,
    I never felt that he was right.
    
    Paul

    re .8
    
    Nigel, 
    
    Reidy was virtually a permanent fixture for England once Robson (Bobby)
    realised how good he was - I think he won about 20 odd caps in the end,
    not bad considering he didn't make his debut until his late 20s. Robson
    (Bryan) played his best games for England when Reid was doing all the
    hard work next to him. 
    
    I was gutted for Bracewell on Saturday - 4 cup finals and 4 defeats. He
    played well in the first half, but faded totally in the second. 
    
    Paul

    Carlton Palmer - 3 too many.
    
    Imagine an England midfield of Geoof Thomas, Palmer and Batty - real
    international class :-)
    
    		Brian

 Could list many: 

Start with goalkeepers

 Too many : Stewart Kennedy - Wembley 5-1
            Alan Rough      - Argentina WC
            Jim Leighton    - Italy WC
            Andy Goram      - too wee.

 Not enough 

            Ronnie Simpson  - 1967
            


            

 

    
    
    Mark poxy Hately...
    
    a real slug ir ever there was one!

    
    Too few..
    
    Kevin Beattie, Alan Hudson, Glenn Hoddle, various gifted individuals
    who refused to be workhorses.
    
    Too many..
    
    Trevor Cherry, Emlyn Hughes, Gary Stevens, Geoff Thomas, John Fashanu,
    Lee Chapman (never is too many).
    
    jeff

    Too few: Frank Worthington, Billy Bonds, Charlie George, Stan Bowles.
    	     Tony Currie.
    
    Too many: Phil Neal, Emlyn Hughes, Ray Clemence, Phil Thompson. 

    Too few by far.
    
    It's been said before but Glen Hoddle is the greatest player this
    country has produced in recent times.
    
    BTW. does anybody know how many caps he actually got?
    
    Pete. 
    

    re .17
    
    No bias against Liverpool coming out there... 8-)

    
    to few: Robert Fleck,Ally McCoist,Murdo McCloud and every other
            player that brian McClair keeps out.
    
    to many:Brian(the donkey)McClair,Roy Aitkin,Steve Archiebald,Alan
            Rough.
    
                  SCott

    
    I cannot believe that Dennis Wise has never been given another chance
    to prove his skill, if it hadn't been for his goal against Turkey
    England wouldn't be in Sweden.
    
    Also can someone tell me how Vinny Jones has never been capped at
    international level, England dont know what their missing!
    
    ANDY.B
    

>>>    Also can someone tell me how Vinny Jones has never been capped at
>>>    international level, England dont know what their missing!
    
    
    errrmmm - maybe because he's an overrated moron who can kick players,
    but not the ball...... :-)
    
    Basically he sums up everything that's wrong with English football.
    
    Another player who missed out - Duncan McKenzie, the greatest player
    I've ever seen.
    
    Paul
                   

    
    Yep Roy Donkey Aitken is definitely in the too many cateagory...I
    forgot him in mine..must be something to do with how much he
    contributed in his illustrious career.
    
    Paul

I'll probably get stick for this but....

Too many ? How about Bryan Robson ?

A very gifted player but can never stay fit. England managers pick him all the
time on the off-chance he can play, then pick the rest of the team to fit around
him. If I were an England manager I'd go for someone more reliable.

    
    > errrmmm - maybe because he's an overrated moron who can kick players,
    > but not the ball...... :-)
    
    
    funny....ive heard that said about YOU, in the 5-a-side games!
    
    Ian.
    "who ran scared"
    

Too few -- Howard Kendall, Stevie Bruce, Glenn Hoddle

Too many -- Sammy Lee, John Barnes, Steve McMahon, Keith Curle, Dennis Wise,
            Alan Ball, Geoff Thomas, MArk Hateley
             and all those one-off donkeys that got caps under Taylor


It used to be said of Don Revie, and can now be said of Taylor, that it
was harder NOT to get a cap than get one.

    too few  - Gordon Strachan, Peter Wier, Pat Nevin, Davey Provan, Stewart
    	       McKimmie, Robert Fleck, Jim Bett
    
    too many - Alex McLiesh, Alan Hansen, Dave McPherson, Brian McLair
    
    		MM 

    Too many: Geoff Boycott.

    Here is another list for Holland:
    
    Too Often:
    
    Bryan Roy (Thinks he is alone on the team)
    Rob Witsche
    Stanley Menzo
    John van 't Schip
    John van Loen
    Johnny Bosman
    Gerald Vanenburg
    
    
    Too Few:
    Jerry de Jong (At least in the days Robson allowed him to show his
                   talent)
    Ed de Goey (THE successor for Hans van Breukelen)
    Kreek
    Gaston Taument
    
    
    Bart
    

    
    Too many: (GER)
    		Illgner 	(he simply isn't the best)
    		Klinmsmann 	(getting worse)
    		Berthold	(can't take responsibility)
    		Buchwald	(nice guy, but can't play, sorry)
    		Schwarzenbeck	(can't play)
    		Breitner	(apeman)
    Too many: (WORLD)
    		Barnes		(haven't seen a single good scene)
    		Aitken		(can't play)
    		Maradonna	(the divine ball)
    		Higuita		(clown)
    		
    Too few: (GER)
    		Stein		(he simply is the best)
    		Ippig	
    		Golke
    		Sailer
    		Bein		(skilled)
    		Schuster	(almost Beckenbauer's class)
    Too few: (WORLD)
    		Gullit		(a real gentleman, IMO)
    		Dalglish	
    	
    Heiko
    
    		
    		

    
    
    Too Many : Steve McMahon,John Barnes,Donkey Thomas and Dennis Wise,
    	       Bryan Robson and David Seaman. 
    
    Too Few  : Glenn Hoddle,Steve Bruce,Gary Pallister
    
    Greg...

    Re 24.
    
    Pagie I could'nt agree more. If Man U let him go to Norwich and lay the
    ghost of a fit Bryan Robson to rest then they might have a chance of
    winning the league.
    
    Also agree with the majority of punters re Dennis Wise.
    
    To few. Brian Stein and Paul Walsh during their early 80's partnership.
    1 cap each against the Frogs.
    
    Far too many as he got older Peter Shilton. Far too many now David
    Seaman.
    
    To few John Lukic and Alec Chamberlain, only because his dad played for
    England V Hitler 1938 and he came home with his autograph.
    
    Regards,
    
    
    Barry.

    
    
    Well I thought everybody was missing the obvious but I noticed the last
    2 were on the mark...
    
    
    DAVID SEAMAN too many..
    
    Nigel Martin and John Lukic too few..
    
    Steve Bruce too few..
    
    Chris Waddle and especially Peter Beardsley too few..
    
    If managers get caps then Graham Taylor and Sunderlands hero Lawrie
    Mcmenemy too many..
    
    Gary..

    
    too few
    
            Paul Elliot ( chelsea )..
    
    
    

    
    
    Too many :- Roy Aitken, Murdo McLeod, Steve Archibald, Peter Grant
                Alan Rough, Mike Galloway, Alex McCleish
    
    
    Too few  :- Brian McClair (never given any credit), Pat Nevin, Mark
                McGhee(sp), Robert Fleck, Jim Bett, Charlie Nicholas, David
                Narey, Alan Hansen.
     
       
      Danny.

    
    RE.35.
    
     Brian McClair has played about 20 games for Scotland and has scored 
    0 goals.A striker is credited with the goals he scores so Brian has had
    more than enough credit.
    
                                SCott

    
    
    re last
    
     Brian McClair has hardly ever played as a striker for Scotland. He has
    more often than not played in midfield, and most times came on as a sub
    when Scotland were chasing the game.
    
     Using your argument, Kenny Dalglish played almost all his games as a
    striker. His goal average was less than a goal every 3 games. Mo
    Johnston and Ally McCoist have hardly got an impressive strike rate
    either, so therefore all 3 have had more than enough credit and caps!!
    
     Danny.

    
    Too few:   Mark McGee, Frank MacAvennie, Charlie Nicholas, John
               Collins, Davie Cooper, Davie Provan, Robert Fleck, Dixie Deans,
               Nigel Spackman & Tommy Burns.
    
    
    Too Many:  Steve Archibald, Brian McClair, Roy Aitken, Dave McPherson,
               John Robertson (Hearts), Paul Sturrock, John Robertson
               (Nott'm Forest), Chris Morris, & Tony Cascarino.
    
         

    
    re.37.
    
      But at least they Scored.I'd like to see Jerry Creaney and McCoist
    as the strike force in Sweden.I've been to all SCotlands home games 
    for the last five years and McClair contributes nothing to the games
    he's played in.
    
                       SCott
    

    Given that Scotland hardly ever score, then theyre all failures :-) :-)
    
    Personally I think that its to do with the support, or lack of, that
    they get from the midfield..even someone like Lineker would struggle to
    score in the Scotland team...3 shredded wheat or not !!.
    
    Whats the latest re MoJo and the Scotland team, is he available or not
    ??
    Paul

    
    Re MoJo 
    
    I think he was told to 'take a run and jump' by Roxborough.
    
    His club form wouldn't justify selection anyway.
    
    Paul

    Too Few:
    
    Rodney Marsh
    Frank Worthington
    Ray Wilkins
    Allan Hudson
    Peter Osgood
    Glen Hoddle
    Chris Waddle
    Stan Bowles
    
    All Shear Class........
    
    Too Many
    
    Ray Clemence (Shilton was always the better goalie)
    Graham Taylor (There's got to be someone better)
    Steve Bull
    ...................plus many more
    
    -Dom

    
    	Agree with *most* of them, Dom..
    
    	..but how can you say Waddle has been capped too few times? He's
    	over 50 caps now (could even be 60..) and he's still an enigma at
    	international level. That means too many to me..
    
    	And Graham Taylor? err...he's the manager. As a player he never
    	rose above 3rd Div. status I believe..
    
    	A few more:	
    
    	Too Many:	Mick Mills
    			Paul Mariner (by the time he was at Arsenal he was 
    				      passed his best)
    			
    	Too few:	Trevor Steven
    			Tony Morley
    			Duncan McKenzie (I thought he was magic..)
    
    
    	Andy.

    
    Wasn't McKenzie the bloke who's party trick was to perform somersaults
    over minis ?
    
    I seem to remember (albeit fuzzily) that the reason he didn't get many
    caps was that he had a bit of an attitude - is this right ? He was
    brilliant, though ...

    Duncan McKenzie played for Leds from 1975-78 or so, he was a real crowd
    pleaser, someone that has been missing from Elland Road until M.Cantona
    arrived this year. One of his other tricks was to throw a golf ball the
    length of the pitch. He should have had more recognition. After Leeds
    he went to Anderlecht then ????
    
    jb.

    
    Brian,
    
    What was the story about George Wood ? - is it printable in here ?
    
    MacKenzie was at Everton between 1976 and 1978 - he was worshipped at
    Goodison until Gordon Lee (the man who sold Malcolm McDonald at
    Newcastle) sold him because 'there's no place in my team for
    stars'..... 
    
    He didn't have an attitude problem, he was just too much of an
    individual for most second rate managers to cope with. My best memory
    of him was in the 1977 cup semi-final against Liverpool, Tommy Smith
    had spent most of the game trying to cripple him and in one moment of
    sheer class, he got the ball in the semi circle, Smith started to go
    for him so MacKenzie knocked the ball behind his back then flicked it
    over his and Tommy Smith's head and ran round him and collected it
    again -  leaving Smith for dead.
    
    paul
                                    

    
    Capped too often for Sweden:
    
    Stefan Pettersson and Mats Gren, both of whom picked up injuries last
    week to eliminate them from Euro-92. Maybe there is a God after all.

    
    Another classic case of capped too often......
    
    Mike Duxbury - Man Utd
    
    Straight out of the Michael Phelan book of can't pass, can't tackle and
    can't shoot.
    
    Paul
    
    (with acknowledgements to Si Stockman for reminding me)

    capped too often
    	
    	Carlton Palmer
    	Gary stevens
    	Trevor Steven
    	Neil 'fat Wallett' Webb
    	Tony Daley
    	Alan Smith
    
    
    
    Capped too few:
    	
    	BRIAN CLOUGH
    	NIGEL CLOUGH

    If anyone has seen the compilation of Gary Lineker goals on TV in the
    last couple of days, notice how many of his early goals involved a
    certain Glenn Hoddle.
    
    I think it is apparent, even if we didn't know already, that his
    international career should have been a lot longer.
    
    Jim. 

       
    To Few...Johnny Doyle
             Pat Nevin
             Jim Baxter
             Davie Proven 
             Mickey Weir
             Jimmy Johnstone
             Henry Templton  8-) only kidding...
    
    Graeme...
    
    

    re-1
    
    
    Mickey Queer,been capped too few ?????????????
    
    he isn't good enough to lace John Robertsons boots,never mind get an 
    international cap.!!!!!!
    
    SQF Jambo

    Re .51. I thought Brian Clough was not capped more often simply because
    of his career being cut short by injury.....
    
    Too many....Brian Robson,John Barnes,Chris Waddle,Ray Clemence,Tony
    Adams,Dennis Wise,Carlton Palmer,Lee Dixon,Sammy Lee,Gary Stevens,
    Tony Daly,Ray Wilkins,Geoff Thomas & many more but I haven't got time to 
    think of them at the moment.
    
    Too few....As said before - Glenn Hoddle,Paul Parker,Nigel Clough,Lee
    Sharpe, & again not enough time to sit down & think about all the other
    talented but forgotten players for the international stage.