Conference trucks::football;1

    Linlithgow Rose have started there defence of the East Region League
    Cup with there usual style. They lost 5-2 to Armadale Thistle and 
    could only draw with Blackburn United, guess they won,t be doing
    much more this year.There is hope that once they get there full 
    squad together there will be improvement in time for the Scottish
    Cup campaign.They,ve been busy on the transfer market with 8 new 
    players arriving some of which show promise so a good season could be
    on the cards. Heres hoping anyway....

    
    Scottish Cup Draw was made last week and some of the ties are:-
    
    Auchinleck  v   Bathgate Thistle  .. easy one for Auchinleck.
    Fochaber    v   Linlithgow Rose   .. who,s Focaber???
    Arthurlie   v   Petershill  .. hope petershill  win
    
    This is only the first round so lots of teams have a buy to the next
    round. Ties to be played 2nd Nov.

    
    
    Maryhill  v  Cumnock
    Fauldhouse  v  Lochee
    
    can,t  remember any of the rest ..
    

    
    Tomorrow Linlithgow Rose take on Bonnybrig Rose at Prestonfield in a
    league match . Linlithgow were unlucky only coming away with a draw
    last saturday against Fauldhouse as they had most of the play, They
    should have a good game tomorrow and I would expect them to stay
    unbeaten and move to the top of the league. The league leaders are
    Newtongrange but they play in the Skol cup tomorrow.

    re.last
    I beg to differ Gordon. I felt that Fauldhouse were the better team
    last week & that Linlithgow were more than fortunate to escape with a
    point.
    Anyway,on to more important matters. Fauldhouse have a home draw in the
    Semi-final stages of the the Skol league cup against the winners of the 
    Armadale Thistle v Edinburgh United tie(result as yet unknown).
    None of these two teams should frighten the Faw-dee-da at home,so it
    looks like we're in with a shout of a trophy already this season.
    

    
    Well you,ll be playing Edinburgh then as they won 2-1 on sat against
    Armadale, Edinburgh seem to play well in this comp , they made the
    finals last season but lost to the Rose.
    Linlithgow won 2-1 against Bonnybrig today coming from behind as what
    appears to be normal for them this season. The Fauldhouse game was off
    due to the weather.

    
    Transfers...
    
    Davie Allan returns to Fauldhouse as well as Sean Bonner both from
    Linlithgow Rose , I think Davie had it all arranged before he put in
    his transfer request.
    

    
    Skol Junior Cup semi-final
    
    Fauldhouse United.........2
    Edinburgh United..........0
    
    Estimated attendance - 700 
    
    

    
    League Results
    
    Bo'ness.........2   Linlithgow Rose.....5
    Netongrange.....3   Whitburn............3
    
    League table   ply     pts
    Linlithgow Rose.5.......8   
    Newtongrange....4.......7
    Whitburn........5.......6
    Bathgate........4.......5
    Edinburgh Utd...2.......3
    Tranent.........4.......3
    Bo'ness.........4.......3
    Bonnyrigg.......3.......2
    Armadale........3.......2
    Camelon.........2.......1
    Ormiston........4.......1
    Fauldhouse......2.......1

    Sat 5/10/91
    Skol league cup semi-final
    Newtongrange v Camelon
    
    Walker league A
    Bathgate.........v..Bonnyrigg
    Tranent..........v..Linlithgow Rose
    Walker league B
    Livingston.......v..Dalkeith
    W Calder.........v..Preston
    Haddington.......v..Bonnybridge
    
    Alloa Brewery Cup 1st round
    Dunbar...........v..Fauldhouse
    Musselburgh      v  Armadale
    Edinburgh           Blackburn
    Pumperston          Arniston
    Whitburn            Stoneyburn
    Bo'ness          v  Sauchie
    Ormiston         v  Broxburn

    The Ayrshire league cup final was played at Rugby park on Tuesday
    night.
    Beith Juniors beat Glenafton 2-1. The Glens led 1-0 at half time but
    Beith finished the game well on top.
    In the semis Beith beat Irvine Meadow 2-0 and Glenafton gave Auchinleck
    their first defeat of the season winning 3-2.
    

    Skol cup semi-final
    Newtongrange.......1 -  Camelon........1
       Newtongrange won on penalties....
    
    Walker league div A
    Bathgate........3  -  Bonnyrigg.....1
    Tranent.........1  -  Linlithgow ...2

    Linlithgow Rose..4 - Edinburgh Utd.....1
    Tranent..........1 - Bo'ness Utd.......1
    Camelon..........1 - Fauldhouse Utd....2
    Bonnyrigg........2 - Newtongrange......3
    
    

    West Cauther management suck...........

    Rumour has it that there are plans in the pipe line for a big charity
    match between the South Queensferry Achinleck Talbot supporters and 
    the Ayrshire Auchinleck Talbot supporters in aid of Malcom Adams, who 
    broke his leg whilst playing against Cumnock scum at the start of this
    season.....

    re 15......Yes its true.
    The  game is taking place on Sun.24th Nov kick off 1:00pm more details 
    later.
    

    
    Scotland 1 v 1 Ireland
    
    

    
    The Venue:  Tynecastle Park,Edinburgh
    
    The Time: 7:30pm
    
    The Date: Monday 28th October
    
    The Match: The East Junior Skol Cup Final between...............
    
               Fauldhouse United  &  Newtongrange Star
    
    
    Be there......or be square (or a Jambo......Oh..same thing I suppose)
                                            

    Forecast ...............Fauldhouse...4   Newtongrange...0
    
    and thats just the half time total for red cards.............

    This weekend is the last chance for the junior teams involved in the
    Scottish cup 1st round to get there act together, there should be a
    couple of good games to go watch ,namely Bo'ness'es journey to
    Newtongrange . Bo'ness believe they have sorted out their recent
    problems and reckon they'll win . I reckon they are dreaming. Camelon
    are at home to Linlithgow , Camelon have had a good start to the season
    but are full of **** so they should take a hammering.. Don't know what
    the rest are doing but who cares anyway.
    Bathgate are playing Auchinleck next week but even although they are
    playing well and Auchinleck arn't I don't think they can win.
    Fauldhouse play Lochee next week but they shouldn't have any problems
    reaching the next round.
    Linlithgow on the other hand should wipe the floor with Fochaber who
    will no doubt be full of cambells soup seeing thats all they make up
    there , I'll take a wee trip up there to watch it anyway.
    Can't remember if Newtongrange or Bo'ness play next week or not.
    
     well thats all for now send abuse to the usual address..
    
    
                                         Gordon....the Rose supporter..

    Looks like I should have kept my mouth shut as Linlithgow lost 2 - 0 to
    Camelon . Even if they did have to play an hour of the match with only
    10 men they should still have beaten them d1c*****s.
    Results 
    Bathgate.......3  Tranent........1
    Bo'ness........3  Armadale.......2
    Camelon........2  Linlithgow.....0
    Bonnyrigg......0  Whitburn.......4
    Fauldhouse.....1  Edin Utd.......1
    Ormiston.......1  Newtongrange...2
    
    League table    P              Pts
    Linlithgow......8..............12
    Newtongrange....6..............11
    Bathgate........7..............10
    Whitburn........7...............9
    Bo'ness.........6...............6
    Armadale........6...............5
    Edin Utd........4...............4
    Fauldhouse......4...............4
    Tranent.........7...............4
    Camelon.........5...............3
    Ormiston........6...............2
    Bonnyrigg.......6...............2
    
    Roll on next week and hopefully some shocks in the Scottish arround the
    country.........

    By the way I,m not really bias..............
    
    
                                         Gordon......
    

    So the Junior cup kicks of next Saturday.......no doubt there will be
    the usual first round shocks. There are still lots of teams not playing
    due to getting byes.
    I have obtained some prices for the cup from bookmakers P.B.Barrett of
    Edinburgh, listed below are the teams he gave me so if your team is not
    listed then give them a call.
    
    
                     Auchinleck Talbot    9/1Fav
    
                     Arthurlie           12/1
    
                     Pollok              12/1
    
                     Newtongrange Star   16/1
    
                     Cumnock             25/1
    
                     Linlithgow Rose     25/1
    
                     Irvine Meadow       25/1
    
                     Kilbirnie           25/1
    
                     Beith               25/1
    
                     Bo'ness Utd.        28/1
    
                     Petershill          28/1
    
                     Glenafton           28/1
    
                     Hill o'Beath        28/1
    
                     Tayport             33/1
    
                     Kilwinning Rangers  33/1
    
                     Bathgate            33/1
    
    You can have 200/1 on Pumpherston and its reckoned Glenaftons price
    will come down as someone has placed a 500 pound bet on them.
    Auchinleck are Favourites only because they won it last year because at
    the moment they are playing the worste I have seen them in 12 years.
    If they play as they have done in the last month then they could be out
    at the first hurdle this time as Bathgate seem quite useful. Then again
    a good victory could put them back on the rails again. The Auchinleck
    manager was at the Bathgate game on Saturday to size them up so they
    are taking nothing for granted.
    Good luck to all your local teams and please support them.                 

    Some Scottish cup results.
    
    Auchinleck....7  Bathgate..........0
    Petershill....1  Autherlie.........2
    Fochaber......0  Linlithgow........4
    Fauldhouse....2  Lochee............2

    Some great ties again in round two of the Scottish cup. The best of all
    must be Lesmahagow at home to Auchinleck. The Gow have had very good
    runs in the cup in recent years and have the advantage of the home tie.
    I would expect Auchinleck to go through in a very low scoring game. It
    will also be interesting to see how much of a crowd attends this match.
    Another good tie is Hill o'Beath (winners two years ago) at home to 
    Newtongrange Star, last years beaten finalists. This Saturday will see
    the tie between Fauldhouse and Lochee Harp come to a conclusion as
    extra time and penalties will decide the tie if neccessary. I remember
    Lochee Harp in 1979 when they beat the then holders Cumnock 5-0 in the
    first round at Cumnock. I don't think Fawdee will slip up this time.
    

    
    Fauldhouse made to the next round with a good 2 - 0 win over Lochee 
    both Fauldhouse goals comming from Van Nuil.
    Bo'ness lost 2-4 to Oakley in the Fife & Lothians while Linlthgow took
    care of Newburgh 5-1. Both Bo'ness and Linlithgow play fife teams in
    the Scottish cup in two weeks time . Bo'ness are away to Kelty Hearts
    and Linlthgow are at home to Crossgate Primrose. Next week Linlthgow
    are susposed to play Newtongrange in a league match which Linlithgow
    would have to win to have any chance in the league, but with
    Newtongrange only manageing a 0-0 draw with Camelon in the Fife &
    Lothians the replay could be next week. Whitburn also won 3-1 against
    Clackmanan in the F & L.

    Some Scottish cup results
    
    Linlithgow Rose........4  Crossgates Primrose......2
    Kelty Hearts...........3  Bo'ness Utd..............4
    Hill O Beath...........3  Newtongrange.............1
    Fauldhouse.............1  ?........................0
    Lesmahagow.............3  Auchinleck ..............5
    
    Also Whitburn , Armadale , Glenafton , Greenock , Cumnock go through to
    the next round.

    Cumnock Juniors have lost there manager (resigned) and Alan Rough is
    red favourite for the job. I hope he dose,nt get it cos I quite like
    him. Roughy played for our team (SQF) against the Auchinleck supporters
    team in a benefit game for one of the Auchinleck players who broke a
    leg. Big Derek Grant (stores) and Meadowbank also guested for us. We
    won 4-0 of-course and had a great day.
    Lesmahagow V Auchinleck in the Scottish was a cracker. These two teams
    top there area leagues and it was billed as tie of the round.
    The Gow scored in two minutes and there fans were already talking about
    winning the Scottish. Fifteen minutes on the clock and it was all
    square. Auchinleck then put a lot of pressure on the Gow defence and at
    half time led 3-1.
    The Gow pulled the score back to 3-2 but the Talbot scored a decisive
    double to kill the tie, Lesmahagow scored a late consolation and the
    game finished 5-3 in Auchinlecks favour.
    This was a great performance by the Talbot and are now playing as good
    as ever.
    The draw for the third round is on Sunday at Dundee. 
    
    
    

    The draw for the Scottish was made on Sunday some ties are:-
    
    Bo'ness       v  Cambuslang
    Dundee N E    v  Auchinleck
    Linlithgow    v  Rob Roy
    Aberdeen E E  V  Fauldhouse
    Stonyburn     v  Blantyre Celtic
    Largs         v  Camelon
    Livingston    v  Kilwinning
    Bonnybridge   v  Arbroath S C
    Neilston      v  Whitburn
    Tayport       v  Cumnock
    Hill o Beath  v  Downfield
    Glenafton     v  Vale of Clyde
    Ardrossan or Hurlford  v  Armadale
    St Anthonys or Elmwood  v  Arthurlie
    
    All ties to be played 28th dec.

    
    This Sat is Scottish cup day so I,m looking forward to a really good
    game between Linlithgow and Rob Roy. Linlithgow have got Mc Cullock
    from Airdrie farmed out to them as they have a problem with there
    goalkeepers, 1 injured the other works for the fire brigade. They had a
    good win last sat against Tranent 4 - 0 so that will set them up nicely
    for this saturday. Bo'ness have a full squad to pick from for the visit
    of Cambuslang in what should be another good game. Cambuslang have the
    best record in the Scottish cup having reached the final 15 times
    winning 5 times.
    
    
    Support your local team.............
    
    
                                   Gordon..

    Although the Scottish cup draw was at Auchinleck, there were no favours
    for the champions. Another away tie, this time to Fauldhouse who have
    had good runs in the cup in recent years. This will be a very difficult
    game for the Champs.
    Another cracking tie is Linlithgow at home to strongly fancied
    Arthurlie. Lithgy have'nt been too consistent this season and the
    Barrhead team will fancy there chances after going out at the
    semi-final stage last year.
    Hill o,Beath are coming good again having re-signed most of there cup
    winning team. 
    There were a couple of controversial games in the last round of the
    cup. Dundee N.E. had four players sent off and six booked in there home
    tie with Auchinleck. This was North Ends first home defeat in the cup
    in six years.
    There was also an incident at Linlithgow when one of the Kirkintiloch
    players seemingly assaulted the ref and was charged. Could some of our
    Lithgy fans please let us know just what happened?.
    

    About the Rob Roy game, Linlithgow went 2-0 up with about 10 minutes to
    go, up until then it had been a really good game with both sides
    playing good footbal and no bad tackles. Then after linlithgow scored
    the second one of the rob roy defenders knocked down a rose player who
    had just come on, the ref didn't see it but the linesman did and
    brought it to the attention of the ref. The player involved was called
    over and sent off after a lecture. The robroy players protested one too
    strongly and was sent off, as soon as the red card was produced he
    kicked the ref in the nuts, he was ushered off the park by his own
    players , on the way taking a swipe at the linesman who had not been
    involved at all. Apparently he also went for one of the rob roy
    official's as well. He has been put on the transfer list.
    
           This incident spoiled a really good game and rob roy,s chances
    of saveing the tie.

    Glenafton went out of the Scottish beaten 4-3 by Vale of Clyde. The
    Vale were up 4-0 at half-time and held on after a great Glens
    fightback. This was the second replay and, in the first game the Glens
    were leading 3-1 at home with only fifteen minutes to play, the rest is
    history.
    Alan Rough (Glens manager) has made no secret of the fact he wishes to
    be considered for the vacant Scotland Juniors manager. He could be
    named soon and will probably keep his club job going as well.

    JIMPY YOU WILL NEVER GUESS THE GLENS HAVE PUT IN A PROTEST, VALE OF
    CLYDE THEY SAY PLAYED AN UNREGISTERED PLAYER. ROUGHIE STRIKES AGAIN
    WONDER IF HE WILL EVER PAY HIS DEBTS BACK AT PARKHEAD HAMILTON OR
    SOMERSET SOME OF THE PLAYERS ARE STILL WAITING ON ROUGHIE COUGHING UP
    THE MONEY THEY LEANT HIM HE IS A WRASTLER AND THAT IS ALL HE WILL EVER
    BE HE HIDES BEHIND HIS 50 ODD SCOTTISH CAPS.
    
    TALBOT FUR THE CUP.
    

    
    Will someone also tell Billy that the Talbot are going out of the cup
    next week 8*))
    
    

    Fauldhouse will need to improve on Tuesday's game against the Rose as
    they didn't play to well then and deserved to get beat. On Monday night
    they play the Rose again this is to get rid of suspension's on one of
    there players and on one of the Rose players for the Sat games in the
    scottish. The Rose will be playing trialists on monday as they don't
    really have any chance in the league while fauldhouse do have a
    realistic** chance to play for. 

    One of these poorer teams from the A league has just put paid to the
    league for you this season. A 3 - 1 defeat by Armadale on Sat was by no
    means good preparation for an important cup tie. Also these poorer
    teams have just about knocked Fauldhouse out of all the cup
    competitions so far this season. Now I'll agree that the Linlithgow is
    not very good this season (or the past couple of seasons) but that is
    no excuse for you to say that Fauldhouse don't try beat them when they
    meet on league or cup duty.
    I don't know who the Fauldhouse players will kick to bits now as Sinnet
    has joined either Bonnyrigg or Bonnybridge as the manager, I also
    expect that Bonner will probably join him there now that he is on the
    transfer list.
    Basically I don't think they'll make the next round , they'll go out
    Saturday.

    
    Gordon,
    You obviously didn't even bother to take the time to actually read the
    contents of my previous note, before you started waffling on !!
    
    I stated that Fauldhouse were always capable of losing to other lesser
    teams from our region, not down to the fact that they were'nt trying,
    but more down to the fact that they are an ordinary side. However, they
    always somehow manage to keep their best form for ties in the Scottish 
    Junior Cup.
    I never made any suggestions that Fauldhouse didn't try to beat teams
    from their own league on cup or league duty !!
    
    The reason I think they'll win on Saturday, and the only reason, is
    because of thier fine cup tradition.
    We've been unlucky against finer opposition in recent years, and I feel
    that luck must change sometime.
    
    We lost to Talbot about 12 years ago in a 2nd replay, the same to
    Bo'ness about 7 years ago, and then to Lesmahagow a couple of years
    back. And to be honest, we should have had all those ties sewn up in
    the 1st matches !!!!
    
    So again, the tight park.......the big crowd, and that marvellous cup
    run at home in recent years, may just help ease us a step closer to our 
    1st Junior Cup final win since 1946.
    
    
    
    
    
    P.S.    Eh......2-0 to Fauldhouse last night I believe wasn't it ???
        

    
    The Rob Roy player sent of against Linlithgow in the Scottish cup tie
    has been fined 200 quid and banned for 10 yrs. As he is 28, he won't
    play much football again. He has still to appear at Linlithgow
    sheriff court on criminal assault charges. If he pays the fine he
    may be able to appeal against the ban in 2 or 3 years time. I don't
    think anyone will sign him. But he could be coaching youths in 10
    years time. An offence of this sort, especially against a referee
    should be a 'sine die' in my opinion.
    
    Colin.

    Well Roughie's boys have won their protest they play Vale of Clyde at
    Meadow Park Irvine on Saturday 8th February.

    Its  nice to see a bit o banter in the Conference.First of all I am a
    bit suspicious re Glenaftons successful appeal in the Scottish. We seem
    to get this sort of thing every year. When clubs register players the
    SFA should send back a copy of the registration to the clubs involved,
    this way it would be easy for the club to check for any mistakes. If
    later on a club was found  not to have registered a player then the 
    club should be thrown out of the competition.
    To Saturday's Scottish ties, Lithgy V Arthurlie...both teams struggling
    a bit to find some consistency however I think the Barrhead troops will
    go through after a replay.
    Fauldhouse V Auchinleck T.... Talbot have had no favours in the draw
    this season and have faced some so called hard ties. Firstly we had to
    deal with Bathgate who were on a run of twenty games undefeated, Result
    7-0.  Then we had to travel to Lesmahagow who still top the premier
    league. The press said we could not survive this trip and lo and behold
    we won 5-3 and it was really easier than the score line suggests.
    Next it was off to Dundee to do battle with a team unbeaten at home in
    the Scottish since 1986, Show Talbot a record to smash and they will 
    oblige, result 5-1. And so to Fauldhouse who have the record of not
    losing at home in the Scottish for a year (Glenafton beat them last
    season) The game should be fairly tight until late on as this is  when
    the Talbot turn the screw, result Fauldhouse 0 Auchinleck 4.
       

    OVD Scottish Junior Cup 4th Round
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Fauldhouse United.........0  Auchinleck Talbot.........0

    Fauldhouse were robbed of a place in the 5th round of the Scottish,
    thanks to an excellent performance from Talbot's keeper, and poor
    finishing from the United forward line.
    The expression on the faces of the United players as they left the
    field, said it all. They had totally outplayed,out-fought & out
    maneuvered Talbot for the full 90 minutes, only to see their efforts 
    result in zilch.
    I somehow don't think that the Ayrshire team will allow Fauldhouse to
    over-run them at home in the replay, the way they did at Park View.
    
    A crowd of around 900 turned up on a very cold & miserable day.
    They weren't exactly subjected to a marvellous game of football, but I
    feel the majority of them left after 90 minutes wondering how Talbot
    were still in this years tournament.
    Most of the football played came in the 2nd half, after a basically
    ordinary 1st half in which both teams had their chances, but none of
    them really clear cut.
    In the 2nd however, the game turned around as Fauldhouse laid siege on
    the Talbot goal.
    Their keeper pulled of a great one-handed save from Van Nuill, parrying
    the ball around the post for a corner.
    Allen should have done better than thump the ball off a defenders leg
    from 12 yards, with the keeper on the deck.
    And then, with the referee looking at his watch & about to blow for
    full time, a Butler corner was headed towards goal by Dougan, only for
    him to watch in disbelief as his own team mate stopped the ball from
    crossing the line.
    
    As I said at the beginning, I don't think the Talbot players will be
    quite so generous in the replay, and I therefor predict a 3-0 win for
    the Ayrshire side.
    Here's hoping I'm wrong,Jimpy (ya jammy booga) 
    
    
    8*))

    This is the Auchinleck version of events last Saturday.
    Over the ninety minutes Fauldhouse were the slightly better team. It
    was never a classic and the game was continually stopped for petty
    fouls. As far as Auchinleck were concerned they were denied a penalty
    mid-way through the second half for a deliberate hand ball, everyone,
    even the Fauldhouse fans next to me saw it but the Referee ignored the
    pleas. Talbot almost stole the tie in injury time when a header by Tam
    McDonald scraped past the post. The Talbot team never got started and I
    am sure they were delighted with the result.
    Its all to play for on Saturday and Auchinleck must fancy there chances
    at home so, I will again predict a 4-0 win for the Talbot. 
    Would someone please give us a report on the Lithgy game as once again
    it seems to have been a controversial match.
    

    Another very hard tie and with a gale blowing it was obvious the team
    playing with the wind were going to dominate.
    Auchinleck won the toss and played with the wind in the first half.
    Fauldhouse settled down to defend and play the off-side trap very
    often. A few times the off-side decisons were a bit dodgy and it seemed
    obvious that a mistake by the Fauldhouse defence had to come.
    In thirty minutes the defence were caught out trying to play off-side
    when Auchinlecks Paterson lobbed the out rushing players, ran toward
    goal, rounded the keeper and scored from a narrow angle.
    In the second half it was Auchinlecks turn to defend as the kick outs
    never even reached the half way line. The Auchinleck keeper was never
    tested until fifteen minutes to go when he tipped a rocket shot over
    the bar and a minute later had another good save from a volley from the
    edge of the box. At that I think Faulhouse knew there chance had gone
    and Auchinleck had two quick breaks and should have killed the tie.
    Faulhouse had there number 7 sent off in the dying minutes for his
    second bad foul. 
    Last weeks offical attendance at Fauldhouse was 1800 and Saturday's
    game had 2,900. 
    Glenafton won there controversial tie against Vale of Clyde 1-0 after
    extra time. I hear that Clyde are taking legal advice re the
    registration incident so, maybe this tie is still not settled.
    Other results affecting Ayrshire clubs were...
      Dunipace...0   Largs Thistle...1 and  Johnstone Burgh...1 Beith...1
    The draw for the Fifth round is in Glasgow on Wednesday next.
     
     

    Beware of the minnows.......................
    
    
                                                MAYBOLE FURACUP............
    
    
    
    
    First time in there history that they have got this far so who knows,
    or just hoping. But who cares if they go out the next round they've
    had a good run.
    
    
    
                                               Mike fae Maybole...........
                                                

    
    I didn't manage to the lithgy game but I heard a few versions of how
    the game against Athurlie went. Basically they were done over by the
    ref ( from fife ).It was only his second cup match and he was
    intimidated by Autherlie's centre half ( cairney I think his name was)
    . The first half was fairly even with the Rose just edgeing it towards
    the end of the half .The second half saw the Rose take control and
    deservedly take the lead through Todd. Within a couple of minutes of
    the goal the Ref decided that Hoggan had headbutted an Autherlie player
    and was sent off. Nobody on the pitch and off it had seen any
    infringment this included the Autherlie players so the ref was not
    flavour of the month. 1 minute later Autherlie drew level and five
    minutes later sealed it. There first goal came before the Rose could
    settle after the sending off.
    With 15 minutes to go Mc Gonnigle was clean through but was brought
    down from the rear by cairney ( nothing ) two minutes later Todd was
    taken out of the play by cairney in the six yard box( nothing ) The ref
    was totally out of it as far as cairney was concerned , both those
    tackles deserved a sending off. The Rose continued to press until the
    end but couldn't convert the second goal.
    
    I heard the ref had a * TALK * with a couple of the Rose susporters
    after the game . I don't think he was to happy about what they had to
    say to him.
    
    An appeal about Hoggan's sending off may be sent in to the SJFA a
    meeting was held last week I've not heard the outcome yet. The ordering
    off was Hoggan's first ever and he's no youngster having played as a
    senior and in Germany. 
    

    Glenafton beat Larkhall 2-1 to-day to move into the last sixteen and
    they are now at home to Stonyburn who beat Dunbar 3-2 in there 2nd
    replay. It would seem the Glens are a nap to go into the Quarter
    finals, however they still have not played any of the top teams yet.
    Lucky Auchinleck are away for the fourth time in a row and again its
    tricky opposition in the form of Armadale. As you may know Armadale
    made the headlines for all the wrong reasons re there fans rioting at
    Ballieston. Now, I have a world exclusive, the Auchinleck manager has
    told me that the police are requesting the game be played a week early,
    I think that's the 1st March. This is to allow them to concentrate on
    this game which could get out of hand. The Auchinleck fans behaviour is
    the best in Junior football however, the Armadale troops who caused the
    trouble at Ballieston will be out-numbered if they try the same again.
    I also have info from a good source that any trouble from the Armadale
    fans and the SJFA will through the club out of the Scottish. Lets hope
    its a good game and I will accept a draw just now and finish the tie at
    Auchinleck.
    Arthurlie also have a very hard tie away to Tayport who knocked Cumnock
    out a couple of rounds ago.
    Hill o'Beath are the new favourites at 4/1 (I think this is justified)
    with Auchinleck at 5/1 and Arthurlie at 6/1.
    Lets see if my world exclusive comes true and by the way are there any
    Dale fans out there? surely someone comes from there. 

    
    Armadale v Auchinleck are playing this Sat 6th March at the request of
    the Police apparently, can someone put in the time of the match so the
    neutrals can go watch the game.
    
                                  Hope the dale win...
                                                      Gordon.....

    
    Well it seems that Armadale were not good enough to dispose of
    Auchinleck as they lost at home by 3 goals to 1. Pity.
    
    Can somebody put in a report of the game in.

    The official gate at the Armadale V Auchinleck game was 3300.
    The fans watched an excellent display by the holders who were back to 
    something like there best form.
    I thought some of the Armadale players "froze" as they seemed to be
    running around like headless chickens.
    Armadale kicked of with a fairly strong wind at there backs but they
    never really got near the Talbot penalty box.
    talbot went close on a couple of occasions and finally broke the
    deadlock scoring with a header in twenty minutes.
    It was one way traffic now and with half time approaching Talbot scored 
    with another header. half time :  Armadale 0  Auchinleck 2.
    fifteen minutes into the second half and it was all over, after
    constant Talbot pressure and the dale failing to clear the ball it was
    stroked home to make it three - nil.
    Armadale at last woke up and for ten minutes or so put Talbot under
    pressure for the first time in the match. The dale won a couple of
    corners and scored with a peach of a header. The fight back lasted
    another five minutes or so and once again Auchinleck took over. Talbot
    should have scored another couple but the game was over anyway.
    So Talbot are the first team into the last eight, the rest of the ties
    are on saturday.

    With one Ayrshire team already in the last eight I would expect to see
    another two join Auchinleck.
    Glenafton at home to Stonyburn looks a nap even although the glens were 
    beaten by bottom of the league Largs at home last week, the Glens will
    be too experienced for the West Lothian team.
    Beith are away to Glasgow Perthshire and having been at there park
    myself it will be difficult for the Ayrshire team however I expect
    Beith will at the very least get a draw. The Perthshires park is the
    smallest I have seen in Junior football and I can assure you I have
    been at plenty grounds. From the shy line to the eighteen yard line is
    only six feet and from the edge of the centre circle to the eighteen
    yard line is only about twelve feet, it really is a disgrace.
    The other Ayrshire team, Maybole, are away to Vale of Leven. Maybole
    are in the second division and have never been this far in the Scottish
    before. It will be a major upset if they win or even draw at the Vale.
    Hill o'Beath (favourites) should take goals off Arbroath and Arthurlie
    away to Tayport is a very tricky tie for the Barrhead team, I think
    they will be happy with a draw.
    At the Armadale game last week Auchinlecks centre half Sam McCulloch
    suffered a facial injury after just fifteen minutes, he finished the
    game but had to go to hospital afterwards. It was discovered he had a
    fractured cheek bone and a broken nose.
    If you have a team in the Scottish go and support them, you will enjoy
    the day out. What the Juniors lack in skill they make up for in effort,
    its certainly worth a pound. 

    
    Well Jim looks like you'll need to wait another week to find out
    if another two Ayrshire teams are left in the last eight as Glenafton
    could only scrape a draw with Stoneyburn,1-1 the result.The replay will
    probably be next week at Stoneyburn and to be quite honest I think they
    will get gubbed.
    
    
                       S.F.G. FUR THE CUP.
    

    The quarter final draw is on Scotsport this Sunday. Hill o'Beath and
    Auchinleck are the only teams through so far, all the other ties were
    draws or were cancelled. Will the Talbot get a home tie this time?
    I would like a home tie v Hill o' Beath and get them out of the way
    just now. Glenafton? well if they do happen to beat Stonyburn then they
    will go out at the next stage, I hope Stonyburn beat them as Vale of
    Clyde already put them out but were forced to replay because of a
    protest on a technicality. I think it would be appropriate if Stonyburn 
    went through and were drawn against the Talbot as we have now put out
    three teams within walking distance of each other ie Bathgate,
    Fauldhouse and Armadale. Good luck John.
    
    

    
    The draw will be held at Arthurlie , happily they won't be in it as
    they were beaten 3 - 0 at home and have no more interest in the cup for
    this year. Stonyburn also went out 1 - 2 to Glenafton. I've just read a
    bit in the pink saying Auchinleck are the only team capable of staying
    the pace in the Second division, well I disagree with that as there are
    still some good teams playing in the Juniors that would do well against
    the likes of Stenhousemuir, Berwick, Queen of the south etc..
                           As for not being able to afford it I reckon
    there must be at least half a dozen teams with very good bank balances.
    
    
    
                                             any comments anybody...
    

    
    Quarter-final draw.
    
    Auchinleck      Hill of Beath hawthorn
    
    Glenafton       Tayport
    
    Beith           Vale of Leven
    
    R-Glen Glencairn  Whitburn Juniors

    RE 56,
    There are a few Junior clubs who could hold there own in the second
    division, but would they want into it?.
    Teams like Auchinleck (average gate at league games 900) Linlithgow,
    Pollok, Bo'ness etc who have had a fair amount of success in the Junior
    ranks would consider it a step backwards going into the second
    division. First of all they would have to raise a lot more cash for
    travelling etc, upgrade there grounds in line with the Taylor report
    and finally they would be lost forever in the staleness of the second
    division ie they would hardly ever win any honours and the fans would
    eventually get fed up with the meaningless games.
    At the moment there is an outcry at the standard of Junior football but
    in my opinion it is the senior clubs to blame. It was a regular
    occurence to hear of an 18 year old playing with a junior club being
    snapped up by a senior team after some great performances. Nowadays the
    senior clubs have youth teams of there own thus denying the youngsters
    to the juniors to get toughened up. Personally I think Young players
    signed by senior clubs should be farmed out to there own local Junior
    team for a year or two and learn the basics of how to fend for
    themselves on the park.
    Back to the point of playing in the second division, the Scottish tie
    at Auchinleck V Hill O'Beath will attract 5,000 fans, when would you
    ever get a crowd like that in the second division? I rest my case.
    The bottom line is, the Scottish second division would be a step
    backwards and into obscurity for the top Junior clubs.
    

    Jim you are right to a certain extent, but the millionaires of junior
    ie Pollock, Auchenleck, Buffs etc these teams 90% of the the time are
    looking for reinstatemnents and are not interested in young blood. The
    junior game is now being missed by the senior clubs because it is well
    below standard, you could hardly name a player who played in a junior
    cup final and when to a senior club and made the grade. Anyway Jim you
    got the draw you were looking for who do you think wiil qualify for the
    last four my prediction is Tayport, Hil O Beith, Beith and Rutherglen,
    sorry old pal but I think the Bot will go out after a replay. I hope I
    am wrong and you lead the SQF Talbot supporters club to Firhill for the
    Final.  

    
    Correct me if I,m wrong but didn't Andy Walker and Dougie Arnott both
    play for junior clubs, I believe Walker played in a scottish cup final
    against Bo'ness the last time they were there. Know doubt there are
    some more arround but I agree that days of players like Kenny Dalgliesh
    playing for Cambuslang are definately numbered. Are junior clubs
    restricted from signing players at 14 on S forms if so this could
    account for the lack of young players in the game as the senior clubs
    would then have a monopoly on them.
    
    I'm also hoping Hill o Beath can dispose of Auchinleck as well but at
    the first attempt, Whitburn will be confident of reaching the semi's as
    well.

    Dougie Arnott played for Pollok when Auchinleck beat them 3-2 in the 
    85-86 Final. He then went to Motherwell.
    Andy Walker and Crawford Baptie both played for Ballieston in the cup
    final against Bo'ness (was it 83-84 season)?.
    As for the forth coming quarter finals here are the teams I think will
    go through. Whitburn after a replay and straight wins for Tayport,
    Beith and  of-course Auchinleck. The talbot will beat Hill o'Beath 3-0.
    As for the final, if they stay apart in the semis then it will be Beith
    v Auchinleck at Firhill, yip an all Ayrshire final.
    

    Point taken but we have to go back 8 seasons and we can only stump two
    names. All the best to every junior supporter who still has a team in
    the Scottish.

    
    
    Wullie (temps)Temparly,played with Bo'ness in the season 75-76 when
    they won the scottish cup.He was then sixteen years old and the
    youngest player to score the winning goal in the scottish junior cup
    and he still keeps reminding me to this day it is still a record.
    He then went to Celtic FC and was with them for a few seasons and
    played first team football under the great Jock Stein.He then was 
    transfered to Hibernian FC and was playing first team football with the
    likes of George Best and was scoring a few goals and playing in Europe.
    then he found drink and fell out with the Hibs manager Eddie Turnbull
    he then played with some 1st/2nd division teams and back to junior
    but when he was sixteen he was a treat to watch and was more than
    capable of making it in any league side,far more than some of the dross
    that are playing the day.Back to the question in the last so many years
    of watching Bo'ness and the rubbish that are playing with them,then
    watching and playing with some players in the amatuer league they are
    more than capable of playing in  junior football but never get the
    chance because of all the old hasbeens that are playing in the game.
    there's proberly to much money in even junior football to give the
    young players a game now so they have to play juvenile football up to
    under 21's and hope to get picked up by senior teams.

    
    RE -1 
         He was signed by Celtic at 13 years old, then farmed out to
    Bo'ness Utd to toughen up. He started out at the same time as big
    Roy and Tommy Burns etc. He's 34 now so there were quite a few 
    good players in the Celtic reserves at that time.
    
    A wee story. When Jim Mclean heard Jock Stein was leeting him go,
    he drove down to his house to get him to sign for Utd. He sat till
    about 11.00 at night then left. Wullie came in steaming at 11.30.
    He signed for hibs, who were in europe at that time, and scored a 
    few goals for them. He says that at that time Hibs were far better
    organised and paying a lot more than Celtic.

    I think the point about Hibs paying better wages than Celtic a few
    years ago probably still stands, where has all the cash from
    Celtics glory years gone?. Rich Directors possibly?.
    Back to the Juniors and the debate about young players goes on.
    I think the whole setup has reversed itself in the last ten years.
    Where young players used  to go through the Junior ranks they
    are now signed on S forms and are not allowed to play Junior. If and
    when they don't make the grade only then are they freed or for sale at
    a moderate fee and will go Junior. In the Juniors just now there are
    hundreds of players in there early twenties who are ex Kilmarnock,
    Hibs,Partick Thistle etc etc. They all played for senior teams BEFORE
    playing Junior, the complete opposite of what used to happen.
    Well to-morrow is Quarter-Final day in the Scottish and the butterflies
    are started already. If any of you are attending any of the games
    please put a match report in the conference.
      

    Glenafton signed Alex Kenedey from Partick Thistle on Thursday, he
    played for Thistle against Killie this season at Rugby Park, he goes
    straight into the team for Saturday.

    Results of the quarter final games were:: 
                     GLENAFTON  3    TAYPORT  1
    
                     BEITH      5    VALE OF LEVEN 3
    
                     RUTHERGLEN 1    WHITBURN      2
    
                     AUCHINLECK 0    HILL O'BEATH  0
    
    A very controversial game at Auchinleck with Ian Dick sent off early in
    the second half after challenging the Hills keeper. The keeper should
    get an oscar for his performance and I am looking forward to seeing the
    incident again on the box to-night.
    Auchinleck had Thomson also sent off for indiscipline (he deserved it).
    The first half was very even and nothing to shout about.
    With Talbot down to nine men they had Hill o'Beath pinned in there own
    half for most of the second half and were very unlucky not to score.
    Auchinleck's Lyden was brought down from behind in the penalty box and
    the Ref waved play on (the ref was from Linlithgow and he was mingin).
    In the dying seconds Auchinleck's Paterson beat two men and was heading
    for goal before being brought down just outside the box. The offending
    player was sent off for a proffessional foul and the goalie saved the
    resultant free kick. So 0-0 it finished with Talbot well on top and I
    can't wait till next week for the replay in Fife. Hill o'Beath seemed
    to tire in the second half and maybe this is a weekness that talbot
    will take full advantage of.
    

    What a performance from Auchinleck. They were superb in every dept.
    Tam McDonald (Rambo) was back after injury and he totally dominated the
    mid-field.
    Right from the kick off Talbot were winning every ball and had Beath 
    pinned back. there were a few near misses and it was obvious a goal had
    to come. Talbot won a corner and with all the big men marking each
    other the ball came over and right back Gemmel ran in and sent a header
    into the postage stamp. It was constant pressure now and a brilliant
    own goal made it 0-2 at half time.
    Talbot stode there ground for the first fifteen minutes in the second
    half and then got fed up waiting on Hill o'Beath to come at them so
    paterson went on a run, beat three men and crossed for sub Lyden to
    make it three and all but finish the game. The other scorers were Mills 
    and Dick. It could have been even more goals but I suppose 5 will do.
    It was nice to see the Keeper who cheated the week before (got a man
    sent off) pick the ball out the net so often.
    Semi draw on Scotsport to-morrow and we will have anybody any place.
    Doubters beware, we are keeping the cup!!!!!
    

    
    It's a sad state of affairs for Scottish junior football, when a team like
    Auchinleck Talbot are favourites to win a cup that they should have
    gone out of a couple of rounds previous !!!
    
    
     

    This years Junior cup final will be between Glenafton and Auchinleck.
    The Glens beat Beith 4-1 after extra time to-night. The final is at
    Firhill on may 10th (it would make sense to move it to Ayr). I think
    history has been made in that Glenafton are through to the final after
    having been knocked out in a previous round (they won a protest).
    Watch this space for more news as it happens.
    

    Glenafton were lucky the ref was a fan as they were on the way out
    until a dodgy decision save them near the end, mind you after there
    protest in an earlier round they would have probably put in another one
    if they had lost.
    
    No doubt they feel they deserve it but I don't.
    
                                      Dodgy  Dodgy..

    Well this is it, cup final week-end is here again. Glenafton v
    Auchinleck Talbot at Firhill k.o. 2:15 and live on STV.
    No beating about the bush for a prediction, Auchinleck will win by at
    least 3 goals and I am puting money on it, don't say you werent told.
    Lets hope its a better game than last years final (that would'nt be
    hard). Watch for me on the telly I will be the one in fancy dress.
     

    
    Prediction time.......
    
    Auchinleck Talbot.....0  Glenafton.......2
    

    
    Auchinleck 1  Glenafton  0
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Glenafton win after a protest           ********

    FINAL SCORE
    
    Auchinleck 4 Glenafton 0

    
    
    
    
    
                          AUCHINLECK -   GREAT,     GLENAFTON  -   PI--
                
           I told you all that the Glens were rubbish, even trying to buy
    the cup with help from Partick Thistle players did'nt pay off.
    So Auchinleck are now the only team to win the cup six times and are
    going for three in a row again.
    Looking back, the hardest tie Talbot had was at Fauldhouse, thats where
    the  wee bit of luck comes in as its true to say you must have a bit of
    luck to win any cup.
    Auchinleck won it the hard way playing some really good sides and
    mostly away from home. The Glens never played anyone of note and it was
    obvious to me before the game that the Glens were going to get whupped.
    Alan Rough bummed and boasted all week on the tele and local radio
    about how his team would win the cup. The Auchinleck managers team did
    all the talking for him on the park and I know for a fact the
    management at Auchinleck were delighted at the way the victory was
    achieved.
    
          

    Jimmy Rowan,
    
                In answer to your note in the AUFC note, yes there has been
    2 central defenders freed by Ayr and I think both would do a great job
    for thr Bot. The first is Stewart Auld ex Airdrie, Clydebank and
    Pollock ,age 34,5ft 11in, very hard ,good in the air, but a wee bit slow
    on the ground.This was only noticed against the better teams in div 1.
                The other is Robert Brown about 25/26 a sweeper ,not noted
    for his tough tackling but quite a silky player,might well find a team
    in the 2nd div...
                Hope this was of some use to you...
    
    
    Graeme..
    
             p.s when are you bringing the cup in to show us!!!!

    Have just heard from a very good source that Auchinleck are to table a
    bid of three thousand for the Fauldhouse United centre half.
    I was very impressed with the player in the two cup games against
    Auchinleck.
    Most Junior teams are still playing away and it may well be mid-June
    before the programmes are completed despite playing four games a week.
    It makes you wonder about the nancy boys in senior football complaining
    of playing fifty games a season and getting grossly over-paid for it.
    Some Junior teams play up to ninety games a season which is ridiculous,
    but, they just come home from work and get on with it.
    

    This week Linlithgow signed the Ormiston Primrose goalkeeper Mark Glynn
    as you know he,s the junior Scotland keeper so it is a good buy.
    Ormiston had to sell because they were relegated this season. But
    appart from Newtongrange League champions Ormiston had the best
    defensive record in the league which is apparently down mainly to him
    we'll just have to wait and see if it,s true.
    
    Linlithgow still have to games left to play 1 league game (meaninless)
    and 1 Cup final against Newtongrange at Armadale on June 6th.

    Watched an excellent game last week between Camelon and Whitburn. It
    was a rather unimportant league game and it turned into a cracker.
    Whitburn went 2-0 ahead after only six minutes but Camelon gradually
    got into the game and scored twice late in the first half to square
    matters. Camelon should have gone ahead but missed a lot of chances.
    It was Whitburn however who took the points after scoring two late
    goals to run out 2-4 winners.
    I was impressed at the improvement of Camelon from last year when they
    avoided relegation by a whisker. The new management of the Fairlie
    brothers have bought wisely and hope to sign a few more players for
    next season. I think this team  will keep imroving and the big clubs
    should watch out next season.
    I have heard that the Fauldhouse centre half has asked away, I wonder
    if this has anything to do with the interest shown by Auchinleck.
    
    

    Auchinleck have signed Stewart Auld from Ayr Utd to replace the retiring
    Sam McCulloch (centre half).
    It seams the interest shown in Young of Fauldhouse was a red herring.
    I hear Glenafton have offered a huge amount of money for Young because
    of the "interest" shown by Auchinleck, wicked isn't it.
    Auchinleck can win the league next Wednesday if they take a point in
    there home game against Glens. They are also due to meet Bieth in the 
    quarter final of the Ayrshire cup, the season should finish toward the
    end of June.
    

    
    I went to the Linlithgow v Newtongrange Cup final on Friday night, the
    game started brightly for linlithgow with some good moves and a lot of
    pressure put on the Newtongrange defence but all the result was a
    booking against a grange defender. After 10 mins grange moved up the
    park for there first attack of the game a ball was put over from the
    right wing and a grange player hit it first time into the bottom corner
    for there first goal, as you would expect the Rose went for an
    equaliser and hit the bar about 20sec,s later. After that the rose kept
    trying but grange made it 2 after 30mins when after a free kick from
    just inside the rose half hit the back of the head of a grange player
    and over the head of keeper for number 2. Half time 2 - 0 for the
    grange, the second half saw the rose defence give up. I,ve been
    watching the rose for years and couldn't believe it they didn't try or
    the defence didn't try in fact they wouldn't even take the ball when it
    was offered too them from throw in's so the result was 6 - 0 too
    Newtongrange and this flattered Linlithgow.
       I would have thought that the departure of Crease the Rose coach
    would have had the effect of making them try to win this cup but no
    luck. Hopefully the new coach will get rid of what is obiviously dead
    wood but we'll need to wait and see.
    

    Gordon,
    I think the time has come for a change to that personal name !
    

    
    John I think you could be right.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    But not yet.

    Johnny Walker A division
    
    champions      Newtongrange Star.
    
    runners up     Bo'ness Utd.
    
    p.s. did Linlithgow (simply the best ??) Rose get relegated ???? 8*)
    
    

    
    No they Didn't Ormiston and somebody else did should have been Bo'ness
    Utd though as they deserve it.

    Auchinleck finish there season this week with a meaningless league game 
    away to Bieth. 
    Once again a very successful season for the Talbot winning the Scottish
    Cup ( I had another swallow of whiskey out of it last Saturday night),
    the League and the Ayrshire district cup.
    There will be five new signings at Auchinleck for the start of the
    season, the only one I know for certain is Stuart Auld who steps up
    from Ayr Utd. There will be at least four players leaving and should
    know who they are by next week.
    So another long hard season draws to a close, next season please
    support your local Junior team and save yourself some cash as well.
    

    Auchinleck,s season finished four weeks ago yesterday and they
    celebrated there first game of the new season with a 2-1 win away to
    Petershill. A trophy was put up for the game and it has to be played
    for anually with the tie at Auchinleck next year. The scorers were
    Thomson and Dick. Talbot had three new signings playing, they were
    Steven Lindsay (ex Glenafton and Killie) Mike Possee (ex Whitlets and
    Q.O.S) and Stuart Auld (ex Ayr Utd, Pollok etc.) Still a few players on
    holiday, so, its off to Troon on Monday.
    

    A new Junior transfer record was set with the first ever transfer of a
    premier league player direct to the Juniors.
    Glenafton Athletic have signed Alan? Kennedy from Partick Thistle for a
    fee of nine thousand pounds. This would of-course include his own
    signing on fee.
    He was not very effective on Saturday when Auchinleck scored four past
    him (he was centre half)and it could have been many more.
    Talbot had a make-shift team as six regulars were out due to suspension
    or holidays and they had to field a couple of trialists.
    
    
    

    
    
    Another Junior record has just been set Linlithgow have won 2 (TWO)
    games in a row.
    
    
    
                           Who said miracles don"t happen.
    
    
                                             Gordon.

    
    It'll soon be Scottish Cup time again , anybody any idea when the first 
    round draw will be made.
    
                                                 Gordon..

    The draw is on the first week in October at Firhill. The first round is 
    due to be played on the last Saturday in October.
    I have not seen any betting yet but if anyone can get more than 6/1 for
    Auchinleck then let me know. Once again Auchinleck are going for three
    in a row.
    The Ayrshire league cup final is at Ardrossan on Tues. 13th Oct. at
    19:30. Irvine Meadow and Auchinleck are the finalists.
    This Saturday sees the first round of the West of Scotland cup being
    played, I don't know many ties but Auchinleck are at home to Greenock,
    I know there are a few Greenock peeps here at SQF so if you make it to
    the game then look me up, I will be in the social club and will accept
    a drink no problem.
    

    Auchinleck won there first major trophy of the season after defeating
    Irvine Meadow 5-2 in penalties in the Ayrshire league cup final.
    There are not a lot of good ties in the first round of the Scottish
    cup. Perhaps one of the best is at Dundee where North End are hosts to
    Fauldhouse.
    I was up there last year and Auchinleck struggled for a while but
    eventually won 5-1 after North End had FOUR players sent off.
    Good luck to your team who-ever they are (well, except Cumnock) and
    hope it will be your team who will be in the final with the great
    Auchinleck who are once again going for three in a row.
    First round ties are being played on Sat. 31-10-92.
    
    

    
    
    I see cumnock had a good result today , they got beat.
    
    As you may guess I'm not a fan of them as they knocked out the Rose
    in the scottish cup a couple of seasons ago when the rose had the game
    won until the ref decided to give them a big hand.
    
    Just as well the Rose don't have a scottish cup tie in this round as
    they were beaten 6-4 at Whitburn today, Thats there first defeat in the
    league so far. They signed a player from there training club Berwick
    last week  by the name of Thorpe , susposed to be a good player but as
    I've not managed to see him play yet I'll need to wait to make a
    judgement on him. 

    Some juicy  ties in the second round of the Scottish. Bo'ness at home
    to Pollok looks a good one and even though the 'ness are not so good 
    these days I still think they will take care of Pollok as the Central
    league teams have not been doing the business in the Scottish in
    recent years.
    Port Glasgow V Greenock looks another good tie, I fancy Port Glasgow as
    I could pick a team from this plant that would beat Greenock.
    One of the best teams last year (Fauldhouse) are out already and must be
    very disappointed.
    Camelon at home to Ardeer Thistle is another good one and I hope
    Camelon can bury there hoodoo by always going out to Ayrshire  teams.
    Kilwinning at home to Hill o'Beath is another mouth watering tie but
    the Buffs are struggling at the moment and have sacked there manager
    Davie Wells (ex Ayr Utd.), perhaps the fife team can win this one after
    a replay. BTW big Sam Frew (DEC AYR) has left Kilwinning and signed for 
    CUMNOCK,  aaarrrrghhhh. Big sam scored one of the goals in last years
    final.   

    -1
    
    Jim, 
    
       If you want to find out how good Boness are you bring the talbot up
       and we will sort them oot......
    
    
    
       sqf/bu

    
    
    Some more ties are
    
    Broxburn.............Ormiston
    Bonnyrigg............East Kilbride
    Bankfoot.............Lesmahagow
    Perthshire...........Bathgate
    Edinburgh Utd........Linlithgow Rose
    Islavale.............Glenafton
    Cumnock..............Glencairn
    Arniston.............Rob Roy
    Kilwinning...........Hill O Beath
    Kirrie...............Maybole
    Tranent..............Petershill
    Newtongrange.........Stonyburn
    Irvine Meadow........Newburgh
    Whitburn.............Sauchie
    Langside.............Arthurlie
    
    All ties due to be played 28th Nov 92    

    
    
    Bo'Ness ,nah thats one cup that never leaves Ayrshire.Anyway the Rose
    are the only threat from this area !!!!

    Sal,
    
    	You must have your ballaclava on back to front today to come away 
    with a statement like that...............
    
    
    Ness season ticket holder .... 

    Two byes for the Talbot in the next rounds would be Bo'ness home or
    away then the Rose at Lithgy (a day oot fur the troops) and that would
    take us to the last 32.
       

    The only bye you will get is when you wave bye bye to your hold of the
    scottish cup....after being stuffed by your new bogey team...
    
    
    SQF/BU

    
    I seem to remember Auchinleck trying to go for three in a row a few
    years ago , then they had a game(bye) at home against the Rose and
    didn't they do well. 2-1 for the rose I believe and that flattered
    talbot. The only way they could score then was when it was gifted to
    them so that the Rose could get a decent game for there fans too watch.
    
    Auchinleck for the cup - No way
    
                                   Gordon the lithgy Rose susporter.
    

    Gordon, when Talbot were beaten at home by the rose they were going for
    FOUR in a row. they also hit the bar and the post that often in that
    game that the goals had to be strengthened before the next game.
    The rose team and there two dozen supporters were applauded by the
    Auchinleck fans at the end of the game.
    I honestly thought the Rose would win the cup that year,but what
    happened?, they got gubbed by CUMNOCK (boak boak)in the next round
    after two replays.
    The ONLY teams in this area who are capable of a good run in the
    Scottish this year are Newtongrange and Camelon as for the 'ness the
    least said about them the better, shift Bs team would whack them.
    

    Jimmy,
    
    	  You dont seem to have a very high opinion of the ness.Here'a
    question for you How many times have you seen them play(well try to
    play) ???
    
    IMHO  I think that your team might have one more good season in them 
    then they are finished,where as the ness have a relatively young side
    compared with the OAP's from ayrshire....we will just be maturing in a 
    couple of seasons then you'd better watch oot cuase were comin lookin
    fur yi.....
    
    
    Prudence......

    Its junior cup time again on Saturday and round 2. No doubt there will
    be the odd shock or two. Auchinleck lost there unbeaten record this
    season at home to Kilbirnie and were beaten again on Saturday away to
    Kilwinning so,the favourites are struggling a bit. There are no byes
    now so most of the teams are playing there first Scottish tie and no
    doubt there will be loads of goals. I hope your team wins through but
    more important I hope Jeanfield Swifts are not involved in round three.
                  See you oan ra telly (again)
     

    Well there were a lot of games off due to the wet weather but enough
    went ahead to give the usual surprise results.
    Last years finalists, Glenafton could only draw with lowly Islavale 2-2
    Pollok made a quick exit at the hands of Bo'ness, a great result for
    the natives.
    And I think we have heard the last of the comical notes from our local
    Linlithgow scribe for the season as they were dumped 2-0 by un-fancied
    Edinburgh Utd.
    A long way to go yet but already a lot of fancied sides have gone out,
    Dundee N.E. is  one of my tips for a really good run this year, oh and
    another interesting result was Port Glasgow 1 Greenock 0. This tie
    created a lot of interest in the plant  here at SQF.
    The third round will be drawn at Hill o'Beaths camp on Sun.13th Dec.
      

    
    Un-fancied is right as Edinburgh are just not up to much, I didn't go
    to the game on Sat as I'd been to the previous twp matches when the
    Rose lost 1 _ 0 too Haddington a team from the second div who were full
    of old players waiting to die and only managing a 2 - 2 draw with
    Livingston who've only won 1 league game so far this season and should
    really have been canon fodder. So I wasn't surprised by the result,
    p****d off yes but what can you do. The early season promise has gone
    out the window for another year. 
    In 2 weeks linlithgow have to play Newtongrange in the final of the
    East league cup so here's hoping for a better performance than when
    they met in a final at the end of last season which as you may recall
    was a performance which did not leave me impressed.
    
    It was a very good result for Bo'ness who were written off by nearly
    everybody including most of there own susporters but proved them all
    wrong including me . Good luck in the next round I'll probably go watch
    them then as I only watch them when they're playing in the scottish cup
    but never any other time. 

    Some results in the cup last Saturday were..
                         Glenafton  4   Islavale  0
                         Auchinleck 4   Jeanfield Swifts 1
                         Ardeer Th. 0   Camelon   4
                         Stonehouse 3   Dundee N.E.  0
    An interesting league result.. Bo'ness beat Newtongrange 2-0 (I think).
    The ness are on a roll just now and can do no wrong, this is the sort 
    of form that is required for a good cup run, well done fat Davy's team.
    Still some Scottish ties out-standing due to the Greenock weather
    spreading all over Scotland.
    

    This is the complete draw for the third round of the Scottish cup.
    
      TAYPORT      V   ABERDEEN E.E.       NEW ELGIN     V    LOCHEE UTD OR
      LARGS        V   DUNDEE VIOLET OR                       ROYAL ALBERT
                       THORNIEWOOD         BELSHILL      V    KINOUL
      GLENAFTON    V   CAMELON             ORMISTONE P.  V    SHETTLESTON
      YOKER        V   ARBROATH            PERTHSHIRE    V    LUGAR
      ARDROSSAN    V   CUMNOCK             STONYWOOD     V    AUCHINLECK T.
      LANARK       V   SUNNYBANK           IRVINE M.     V    ROSYTH
      MUSSLEBURGH  V   NEILSTON            PORT GLASGOW  V    KELTY
      KILSYTH R.   V   ARMADALE            HILL O'BEATH  V    DOWNFIELD
      IRVINE VICS.                         BROUGHTY      V    LIVINGSTONE
      OR HURLFORD  V   EDINBURGH           STONEHOUSE    V    LESMAHAGOW
      ARBROATH E.C.V   EAST KILBRIDE       BO'NESS       V    BEITH
      DUNDEE S.J.  V   LARKHALL            ST ANTHONYS
      ARNISTON R.  V   VALE OF CLYDE       OR ANNBANK    V    NEWTONGRANGE
      LOCHGELLY    V   JOHNSTONE           BLACKBURN     V    HADINGTON 
      WHITBURN     V   BALLIESTON          KELLO         V    CAMBUSLANG
      CARLUKE      V   MAYBOLE             KILBIRNIE     V    ASHFIELD
      CROSSGATES   V   PETERSHILL          SHOTTS        V    ARTHURLIE
      
    
                        GAMES ON 9/1/93
    

    
    re.-1
    
    What, no Rosey Posey in the draw. (Linlithgow Rose to the uninitiated)
    
    Saturday past saw the Skol league cup final. In a hotly contested
    match, the Rose were up two nil at half time. After what must have been
    an excellent comeback, Newtongrange were winning when a Rose player was
    sent off for his second bookable offence for dissent. (Stupid, eh?)
    I think it was McGonigal, scorer of both goals. Later the Rose keeper
    was also sent packing for the "professional foul. Star eventually ran
    out winners 4-2.
    
    p.s.
    
    Bo'ness beat the Star a fortnight ago while the Rose were making their
    exit from the "Scottish" to Ediburgh Utd. On saturday Edin Utd beat
    Bo'ness 1-0 and the Star beat the Rose in the Skol. 
    
    It's a funny old game........
    
    colin.

    There are quite a lot of good ties in the Scottish this time. The more
    juicy ones include Glenafton at home to Camelon and I honestly believe
    Camelon can get a result at New Cumnock. Auchinleck have a dangerous
    journey away to Stonywood (Aberdeen) I think they made the quarters
    last year.
    The tie of the round must be at Bo'ness, where Beith are the visitors.
    Beith are the form side in Ayrshire at the moment and are running away
    with the first division. Remember they got to the semis last year and
    were robbed against the Glens. I would put Beith Favourites to lift the
    Scottish this time as good old Auchinleck are really struggling just
    now. A good pointer will be the game on Saturday when Auchinleck are at
    home to Beith in the West of Scotland cup, Auchinleck have four first
    team players out (two suspended). I am looking forward to this game and
    there should be a crowd of around 2,000.
    

    Talbot were turned over on Saturday by Beith beating the wonder team 5-1.
    Talbot have not conceded five goals since 1985 when Ballieston beat
    them in the Scottish.
    It was a much tighter game than the score suggests but Beith were
    worthy winners. They don't have any individual "stars" but are a very
    hard working team.
    I think you could get a good price up here for Beith to beat Bo'ness in
    the Scottish, sorry Davie but I'm for a tenner on Beith.
    With Liverpool getting humped 5-1 and Irvine Meadow beaten by Kello
    Rovers and the Auchinleck score I think there may have been something
    in the air on Saturday, maybe that UFO above Bonnybridge has moved and
    upset other places.
    To all Junior fans and players every where...have a great xmas and a
    memorable new year.
                                  Camelon furra cup
                                                       JIM
    

    Dav.
       The way the ness are playing you will have to rake out your old
    Red white and blue "Bo'ness For The Cup" Flag for the Final.
    
    
    
                                          Freda.

    Some early results from the Junior cup are.....
    
                       Ardrossan  0   Cumnock  2
                    
                       Glenafton  1   Camelon  0
    
                       Bo'ness    0   Beith    2  (sorry dave)
    
                    Irvine Meadow 1   Rosyth   2   (first shock result)
    
                    Kello Rovers  2   Cambuslang 5
    
                    Largs         0   Dundee violet 5
    
    That result at Irvine is a mega shock as they were expected to do well
    this year. Hope you had your cash on Beith, the biggest certainties of
    the round.

    Ayrshire teams carried a lot of luck in the draw for round 4 of the
    Scottish with all the remaining teams getting a home tie. Some games
    are as follows....   Glenafton  V   Neilston
     
                         Cumnock    V   Tayport
    
                         Auchinleck V   Vale of Cyde
    Beith and Kilbirnie are also at home but can't remember there
    opponents. Beith are now 6/1 favs with Auchinleck at 7/1, Cumnock and
    Glenafton are 8/1.
    The winners will come from those four and the cup will stay in Ayrshire
                              AGAIN.
    

    You could be right Jimmy.....but for what its worth,I think it
    
    has Beith written all over it..........8>)
    
    
    
    Chairman Mow...........

    
    Some Scottish cup results
    
    Armadale.........1   Shettleston........3
    
    Blackburn........0   Boughty............1
    
    Kilbirnie........1   Newtongrange.......0
    
    

    Tell us more about that 11-6 scoreline ...

    
        ?  ?  ?

    Last Saturday - my father told me about it so it must be true ..
    Can't remember who ..
    
    Ray

    
    
    What are you taking about...????

    I THINK ITS SOMETHING TO DO WITH GLENAFTON BEING IN THE CUP FINAL AGAIN 
    LOOKS LIKE THE AYRSHIRE(SCOTTISH)JUNIOR CUP WILL BE STAYING AT HOME.

    Ron,
         I think your right in saying the Ayrshire cup will remain at 
    home ......but whose home ?????
    
    
    
    
    - 

    
    Whit wiz the score wi the Blue Brasil tonight ?
    
    P.S. Did I mention ti yi that the mighty "Use Bo'Ness for shooting
         practice" Faw-de-da are just aboot ti win the league ?
    

    JJ,
    	Who are the "Blue Brazil" ????
    
    
    
    
    
    Confused of Boness.

    
    Shows ye how much I ken....I thought it wiz the Dream
    team's....sudi...sydi.....suedinum.....eh other name !
    
    Fawdoos Man
    
    

    
    di yi no mean the "Blue Milan" JJ ????
    
    A wee name I penned for them in the BU topic !!!
    
    colin.
    

    RIGHT,
           Am back!!
    I gave myself a hernia watchin Auchinleck score all those goals in the
    junior cup, so I have been out of circulation for a few weeks.
    So the Glens are in the final again having once again gone through the 
    whole competition without facing any really good teams and playing most
    of there games at home.
    They will be praying Auchinleck don't make it against Tayport as they
    know that once again they are in for a bleachin. 
    Talbot do have a couple of injuries for the game to-morrow but should
    still win with some ease.
    Yes Ron, you were right, the Scotiish Cup IS staying at home. (do I
    really have to drink out of it this year again??)
    
                                            JIM
    
                                           (hernialess)
    

    Auchinleck sure picked a bad night to go stale. With chances enough to
    win six games they could not put one in the poke. Auchinleck had about
    14 corners to Tayport's 3.
    I did'nt think Tayport were a very good side but did what is required
    to win games, SCORE.
    The Glens will beat them in the final, Tayport can't be as lucky again.
    It was getting a bit boring winning the Scottish so often so its nice
    to have a wee break. One things for sure WE WILL BE BACK.
    Good luck Glens, bring the cup through Auchinleck on the way home.
    

    
    I wouldn't write off Tayport just yet, Jim, as they have just won the
    Tayside league. I'll certainly have 10p each way on them!!
    
    Archie
    

    RE 130    AYE JIM YE,LL HIV TAE DRINK OOT THE CUP BUT ONLY IF YER IN
    THE WORKING MENS CLUB OAN SUNDAY NICHT. AHLL TRY AND GET THE COMMITTEE
    TAE ARRANGE A WHEEL CHAIR FUR YE IN CASE THERES OANY HERNIAS RUNNIN
    ABOOT.

  Come on the glens lets get stuffed.........

    Theres no much chance o the Rose gettin stuffed cos they canny reach a
    final.

    Well done Glenafton on winning the Scottish Junior cup. The game was a 
    disappiontment to say the least but remember folks both teams obviously
    played good stuff to get to the final. Tayport deserved what they got
    from the game as the Glens had a stone wall penalty ignored in the
    first half and a very good claim in the second. No doubt justice was
    done and the cup stays in Ayrshire. This victory will give a much
    needed lift to the people of New-Cumnock who have'nt had much to shout
    about since the closure of all the mines in the area.
    No doubt old Ron Donnachie will be feeling ten years younger now (49
    instead of 59 and the oldest employee here at SQF), aye its a good
    feeling getting pi**ed out of the cup as I have had plenty practice.
                     Again, congratulations Glens and we will be after you
    next year.
                                          SQFs  Talbot spy
    
    

    
    I watched the Junior Cup Final on TV and was really quite shocked to
    hear songs normally associated with Rangers being sung at this match.
    I thought at first that it might have been some Rangers supporters who
    had came to the match because thay had an idle weekend, but I was
    further shocked by a close up of some women singing "We are the
    Glenafton Billy Boys" bedecked in the junior side's colours. 
    If this is the normal behaviour for this mob, then lets all hope they
    get knocked out in the first round next year so that they don't spoil
    the Final for the countless yougsters who normally attend these
    matches.
    
    Archie
    

    Well Archie I dont know where you come from,but your either very naive,
    or you havent travelled very far in your lifetime.Im sure if I knew
    where you come from I could name a few traditions and features about
    your part of the World,or may be you live in that place UTOPIA where
    there`s no bigotry or customs.or tradition.It so happens that the most
    run down building in NEW CUMNOCK is the Chapel.So that might explain
    the billy boys.Then again maybe thats why Celtic get put out of all
    the cups,sporting an Irish flag.If you dont know anything about the
    people or the town lay aff the Keech talk.By the way if you want to
    ask some of those Women personally why dont you come down with me
    some weekend.but leave your nuts at home.On the other hand if this 
    is sour grapes thats your problem ARCHIE.
    
    
                                         RON(ANOTHER AFTON BILLY BOY)

    
    I think your note sums up the attitudes that I would like to see
    disappear.
    My interpretation of the Junior Cup was that the teams represented the
    towns and villages throughout Scotland, regardless of who made up the
    population of the town/village. It gave the town a chance to unite, not
    divide. 
    I used to be a Rangers supporter as I have said in other notes. I now
    only get behind them when they represent Scotland in the Euro cup, but
    for me (being totally unbiased) my ideal would be to see Rangers and
    Celtic both relegated at the same time (just to stop any arguments).
    
    Archie
    

    
     Ron,
         Whit the f*@# are you bletherin' aboot!!! have you been eatin
       thae funny cumnock Mushies again??? 

    
    
    
    	Ron,
    
    	I was at a wedding once in the Afton Water Inn,and if the Chapel
    	is more run down than that place it must be really bad!!!
    
    	Maybe you could go to the next community counsil meeting and
    	propose that they build a new one............I'm sure that would
    	make you really popular with the locals.
    
     	P.S. Great note BTW.Nothing better when your not busy on nightshift
    	     than trying to work out a good riddle........... 

    
    re.138

     Archie I am sorry but I  have to agree with Ron's Note. You do have to 
     have some knowledge of NEW CUMNOCK before you can comment on their 
     behavior,but as a person who spent many years living very near to NEW
     CUMNOCK I will endeavor to give you an insight to the intelligence
     and the habits of the locals. I once was talking to fellow I knew from 
     New CUMNOCK and I just happened to ask his young daughter what she 
     would like to be when she grew up and she replied with her little
    chest sticking out....... the same as ma dad .....a Miner.  Here's
    another true story about a man I knew from NEW CUMNOCK and it is a true 
    example of how there superior intelligence always shows thru..His friend
    Wullie Mc dickens asked him to come to Court with him to give him some
    moral support, as he was up on a drink driving offence...very unusual
    for Wullie.When his case came up Wullie told the judge all the reasons
    why he should let him keep his licence and the the judge listened
    intently,after Wullie had finished slevering, the judge turned to
    Wullie's friend and said, Mr Adam's do you think that Mr Mcdicken's is
    fit to drive a motor vehicle after 6 pints of lager, and without
    hesitation Wullie's friend said,F*ckin 6 pints ave seen him F*ckin
    drivin wi 20 pints in um.And as for the Wimmen I've again got to agree
    with Ron they are pritty rough, when they are about to have there wains  
    they don't send for a midwife they just chew thru the umbilical cord
    themselves and god help the wean if she's feelin a wee bit hungry after
    her ordeal.So Archie don't be to hard on poor Ron it must have taken him
    some time to lift his knuckles off the ground to type his note to you.
                                                 Rab from KIRKCONNEL.    
         

    re.138
    
    Ron,
         have you been drinking too much of the Carrick Knowe ale lately
    or spending too much time with Downie ???
    
    Anyway.....I have read your reply to Mr A Millar's reply and for
    the life of me I don't know what you are talking about .....
    
     SQF Jambo  

    Leave poor Ron alone guys, as I said before the people in New Cumnock
    have had very little to boast about since the mid eighties when all the
    men were thrown on the scrap heep when the last pit shut. The only men
    working in the village are the post man (delivering giros) and the poll
    tax man. It would be easier to climb Everest on roller skates than it
    would be to get a pound poll tax money from a New Cumnock wumin. It is
    said when things get really tough up there, they eat there young and
    they still claim family allowance for them.
    Back to Junior football, and it now looks certain that the most
    successful Junior team of all time are breaking up. Billy Young
    (captain) has announced his retirement followed by Sam McCulloch and
    Ross Findlay, thats almost a whole defence that needs replaced. I think
    others will go, like Hugh Lyden and maybe Tam McDonald. 
    Yip, there will be some re-building at Auchinleck and it might take us
    a wee while to get back to the top but, make no mistake, we will be
    back.
    Well done the Glens on winning the League. Talbot are going for there
    third trophy on Friday when thay play Annbank for the Ayrshire super
    cup.
      

    re 139.The point ah wis trying tae make Airchie is regardless of grade
    of football or any sport,you cant leave religion or politics
    out.because the people wont let you,Old rivalries go back a long time.
    Especially in small villages and within families so come doon fur a
    pint wae me an see fur yersel.
    
    Davie Gambles you obviously dinny ken where the Glens come fae.Whits
    this Cumnock mushies pish.
    
    Hello Colin it so happens ah met Downie in the Knowe.He wis ramblin on
    aboot Souness comin tae HEARTS and bet me a pound he wid be there
    before the end o season.Its long since spent.Maybe your needin tae 
    come doon fur a pint along wi Airchie.
    
    
    And lastly Mr FREW ah heard you were fae MUIRKIRK RAB we aw ken how 
    ye get tae stey up there,cos naebudy else wid hiv yis.So ye ken big
    Wull(blaw)McDicken dae ye tell me mair.An whits this aboot Kirkconnel
    ahve got a few freens doon there tae.Im sure theyll hiv a welcomin 
    pairty fur ye the next time yer doon.
    
    well lads weve fairly brightened this column up,ye get awfy seeck
    readin aboot the Talbot aw the time.
    
     

    I've been off for the last three weeks sunning myself in Tenerife, hence
    the lack of entries by yours truly.
    This along with the fact that I've been absolutely terrified to enter a
    reply (For fear of being randomly reemed by the junta !), has lead me
    to foray once more with great trepidation.
    
    On a footballing front, my local team Fauldhouse United did a luvvly
    jubbly wee double before I departed for a sunnier climate.
    Hard on the heels of their Division A league title, they defeated
    Bathgate Thistle 1-0 in the Fife & Lothians Cup Final.
    It's been many years since United have completed a league & cup double,
    and here's hoping that next season a treble may come our way.
    
    I know this note is only of interest to me, but at least I'm gonna
    manage to enter a note without it being set hidden, or some greetin
    face moaning about it for a change !!
    
    Ta-Ta
    
    

     RE-1
    
    remember Lithgy,gubbed you's in the other cup-final     :-)
    
     SQF Jambo
    

    
    re -2

        JJ,
          I'm not sure if I like the controversial tone of your note.

          Reading between the lines I'd say you still have an axe to grind
    with us genuinely unbiased, serious noters.8*)

    Concerned,
    	     Martin.....    

    
    Scoop,
    
    I didn't include you in my `Greetin face' description........
    
    But now you come to mention it !!!
    
    

    Junior Cup draw,
    
    Downfield v Fauldhouse
    Livingston v Hill O Beath
    Arniston v Newtongrange
    
    Holders Glenafton were given a bye.Ties to be played 16th October.

    
    
    Can you put in the rest of the ties for us local susporters
    
    

    Linlithgow were given a bye.Sorry I didn`t have time to put in the rest
    of the fixtures,I`ll try later.
                                                        D
    

    
    
    Other ties:
    
    Craigmark      v    Broxburn
    Blairgowrie    v    Bathgate
    Cummnock       v    Kinloss
    Auchinleck     v    Formartine
    Bishopmill     v    Edinburgh Utd
    

    The recent league cup semi-final between Cumnock and Auchinleck was one
    of the best games between the sides for a long time.
    Finishing at 3 all after extra time Auchinleck then won on penalties.
    During and after the match the Cumnock fans disgraced there team with
    four pitch invasions during the game and then threw misiles into the
    Auchinleck crowd as they were leaving.
    Seven Cumnock fans? were arrested and one was remanded.
    Surely the SJFA can't keep ignoring the behaviour of these people.
    In previous incidents at Cumnock the Auchinleck keeper was hit with a
    pool ball, at the Ayrshire junior meeting this was "noted".
    Next a player was assaulted when a Cumnock committee man hit him with a
    corner flag, again it was "noted".
    This time something positive must be done before we get a real blood
    bath.
    

    
    
    Probably the commitee is made up of cummnock officals.
    
    
    But there susporters are scum, or should I say the wee laddies who
    follow them to cause trouble are just scum. While the ordinary
    susporters have been known to punch a few trouble-makers and throw 
    them out the ground so that they could watch the game in peace.

    
    
    Auchinleck........7   Formartine.......0
    Downfield.........4   Fauldhouse.......0   
    Arniston..........2   Newtongrange.....3
    ??????????........0   Bathgate.........3
    Livingston........0   Hill of Beath....1 
    
    
    well so much for fauldhouse   -   well gubbed........ 

    
    So it's no Fawdeedaw oanymare.......
    
    it's Faw'dattafursthurdledeedaw.......
    
    colin
    
    BUFC

    
    Ah well...we had little or no chance of winning this tournament anyway !
    
    A bit like Bo'ness & Linlithgow really !   I mean, you'd be just as
    well being knocked out in the 1st round, as opposed to the 5th or 6th.
    It's all about winning the trophy & not how far you get before being
    put out, ain't it !
    We'll just have to content ourselves with winning the league AGAIN &
    beating that shower of wumin in the Skol Cup semi !
    

    JJ,
    	What date are the 2nd round ties due to be played.???
    
    Greta.

    
    
    2nd round ties to be played on the 13th Nov

    
    
    
    What's the story anyone on Auchinleck's manager resigning and joining
    Cummnock instead.
    
    Apparently it was on the tele last night but I only heard this from
    someone so it may be a wind up.
    
    
    
    I didn't know auchinleck and cummnock were such good friends.

    Dav,
    
    	Is it true that Livingston united have broken some sort of world 
    	record ?????
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Letting every centre forward in the league score a hat-trick every week
    for 5 weeks and conceding 76 goals in 8 games ??????

    
    Just a minor hiccup......
    
                                         

    Some shocks in the Scottish...... Petershill    OOT!!! at hame
    
                                      Newtongrange  OOT!!! at hame
    
                                      Bo'ness       OOT!!! away (no su bad)
    
    Loads of second round ties still to be decided because of the weather.
    A good tie in the third round is Lithgy V Irvine Meadow, the
    Ayrshire side are very strong this year and will consider this a fairly
    easy tie, however I think they may need a replay to go through.

    Jimmy,
    	  I wouldnt say that Boness going out in the 2nd round was a shock,
    	  expected more like.
    	  I expect that the Rose will be out next round.

    
    Scottish Cup results
    
    Tayport .......0     Camelon........0
     Tayport won on penalties.
    St Joseph's....1     Auchinleck.....0
    Linlithgow.....0     Irvine Meadow..0
    Whitburn.......2     Dunbar.........3
    Arthurlie......1     Winton Rovers..1
    Ormiston.......2     Haddington.....1
    Bathgate.......4     Clackmanan.....2
    Shotts.........1     Cumnock........0
    Lesmahagow.....2     Tranent........0
    Rob Roy........0     Hill O Beath...1
    Cumbernauld....1     Blackburn......1
    Harthill.......2     Glenafton......3
           

    
    
    St Joseph's....1     Auchinleck.....0
    
    A marvellous result for Scottish Junior Football !
    
    For too long now, Talbot have thought themselves to be above everyone
    else in the Scottish !
    
    

    
    Agreed....
    
    My tip for the Scottish is Tayport a team we played two seasons ago
    and I remember hearing at the time that Duncan Lambie,John of Partick
    Thistle`s brother,had 1000 pounds on them to beat us at 11/8 on,which
    they duly did.
    You were seemingly getting 50/1 for them to win the Scottish before
    Saturday`s game against Camelon which is hard to believe as they
    were beaten finalists last year.....get a fiver on them.
    
                                                  D....

    
    I cannae believe it my tip for the Scottish got beaten at home by
    Armadale 2-1.It just shows you that although I play Junior football
     it doesn`t make me an expert.
    
    This could be the year one of the smaller teams wins the cup.....
    
                                             D....

    
    Davie your tips are always wrong........
    
    Could you please refrain from telling us that you play Junior football,
    I think all the readers now know that you are the "Captain" of
    "Livingston United" football team you remind us often enough....
    Get some new patter....!!! 8*)
    
                                      Maddog....(Capt.of Portobello)

    
    A wee bit of wishful thinking on your part Douglas I think,when
    have you ever been captain?????
    
    Besides that stay out of the Junior notes as Portobello Star are
    an Amateur outfit are they not.
    
                                                D......

    
    ...and Linlithgow Rose gubbed Irvine Meadow away 1-0.....
    
    another west team bites the dust
    
    colin
    

    
    
    What a week-end
    
    Irvine Meadow...0  Linlithgow Rose.....1
    
    Tayport.........1  Armadale Thistle....2
    
    Blackburn.......2  Cumbernauld.........0
    
    
    So there will still be a lot of interest from the East in the 
    next round.
    
    
    

    
    
    St Joseph's conquerer's of Auchinleck are duly out as well.....

    And the Bu's won .........
    
    
    8*0 oooh ahhh Daltona

    Davie Rooney is the first person I know who plays Junior football and
    yet knows nothing about it. He says Tayport were 50/1 before they
    played Camelon when in fact, they were 6/1 favourites to win the cup.
    After the third round the favourites are now Arthurlie at 5/1.
    I was up at Dundee at the Auchinleck game and the Talbot's luck finaly
    ran out. They had almost all the pressure but simply could not score.
    It would not have been so hard to take if St Josephs were a good team,
    they were mince as was proved the following week. So I will save myself
    quite a lot of holidays next year now that the Talbot have failed to
    reach the third round for the first time in 23 years.
    The report on the Irvine Meadow V Linlithgow game said the Meadow
    dominated for 80 minutes but could not find the net so we can assume
    that Lithgy won't go very much further in the cup.
    Glenafton? they are so bad it hurts. The first half decent team to draw
    them will put them out.
    This is the most open cup contest for a long time and I think the
    winner will come from the Central league.

    
    I was told by a very unreliable source,(a Whitburn Juniors player),that
    Tayport were 50-1 in Barrats bookmakers prior to the Camelon game.
    I presume that you have checked this out before shouting your mouth
    off,where did you get your odds from? 
    You`re probably right though,my knowledge on Junior football is
    probably as good as my playing.....cr*p. 8*)
    
                                                   D..... 

    Just discovered there is a separate note for Junior football so maybe
    its better to put this in here....
    
    I plan to come over to Scotland for New Year. Usually I look to watch
    my team ( Newtongrange Star ) play in the 'Scottish' around this timeof
    year but not this year! Anybody know of any 'Scottish' ties in the area
    around 28 Dec - 3 January? I'd even go and watch one of the Roses (
    Bonnyrigg or Linlithgow ). 
    
    The alternative might be to visit Tynecastle or Easter Road but from
    what I've heard that might not be such a good idea!
    
    Never did hear the Newtongrange result - who knocked them out and what
    score?
    
    Rgds
    
    Don
    
    Don   

    
    
    There are no Scottish cup ties on during your visit as the draw for the
    next round is on Jan 9th.  Bonnyrigg won 4-2 at home to Larkhall on sat
    so they are through to the next round as well.
    
    There might not be many junior games being played  due to the christmas
    break but, latest is that Linlithgow Rose are at home to Bo'ness Utd in
    a league match on Monday 27th. Other teams were still trying to get
    games arranged but I haven't heard what they are yet.
    
    On sat Newtongrange drew 1-1 with Bo'ness at Bo'ness in the league.

    RE: -1 
    
    Gordon --> Thanks for the info..... guess I'll have to check what 
    other Junior games are on when I get back. Anything but Tynecastle!!
    
    Cheers
    Don
    
    
    
    

    Don, if you hang around you may be able to see the League cup final
    between Lithgy and Camelon. I heard they are trying to set this game up
    early in the new year(weather permitting) at Brockville.
    This should be a great final although Lithgy have had the upper hand in
    most games in recent years.
    Am fur a tenner oan Camelon to win there first cup since Lewis Ferguson
    started school 45 years ago.
    The Star were beaten 1-0 by some wee team in the Scottish, Don, I think
    it may have been been Culter.
    The betting for the Scottish is usually published every Friday in the
    Evening Times, Davie. Your local bookie could also give you prices on
    request.
    

    
    For the league cup final the latest I've heard is the week before the
    next round of the scottish and brockville the favourite.
    
    The last few meetings between the two has probably seen camelon on top
    but as always it'll depend if camelon has got a full squad because
    there's has not a lot of depth while the rose has a shed-full.
    
    It should be a good game though...... It's been 11 seasons since
    Camelon last won a trophy..long may it continue..

    
    Some Scottish cup ties out of the hat were;
    
    Linlithgow Rose  v  Kirriemuir
    
    Glenafton        v  Benburb
    
    Pollock          v  Armadale Thistle.
    
    

    Looks like the Rose have got a lucky draw again,and there at
    home.
    Looks like the Glens for the cup this year again.
    
    
    
    
    ==|8*)

    
    
    Scottish cup 4th round
    
    Linlithgow Rose........6     Kirriemuir Thistle..........0
    
    Glenafton..............3     Benburb.....................0
    
    Pollock................2     Armadale....................2
    
    Autherlie..............4     Kilbirnie...................1
          
                            

    
    
    Scottish Cup 4th rnd
    
    Armadale.........0   Pollock..........1
    
    Bonnyrigg........0   Bathgate.........1
    
    Dunbar...........1   Shotts...........3
    
    

    So one Rose blooms but the other bites the dust. Shame about Bonnyrigg!
    
    Sounds like "Lithgae" are having a good run and could be the team to
    watch!
    
    Any news on the draw for the next round? 
    

    
    Draw for the next round is tomorrow in the offices of the
    Evening News.....
    
    The Rose are having a good run with 18 games undefeated but like all
    runs a 1-0 defeat soon spoils all the good work.
    
    Hopefully that won't happen till next season though.
    
    

    The long awaited League cup final between Linlithgow and Camelon takes
    place at Brockville on Saturday 19th Feb.
    Both these teams are bang on form and as far as I know Camelon have not
    lost a game in normal playing time this season. Lithgy too are going
    well and are still in the Scottish.
    Should be a great game, I will go for Camelon to win A.E.T.
    

    
    Nice to see we agree on something Jim,don`t think Camelon will need
    extra time though.

    It is reported in some of the press that the S.F.A. are to launch an
    inquiry into the trouble at the games between Cumnock Juniors and
    Auchinleck Talbot.
    It seems because the Ayrshire J.F.A. and the Scottish J.F.A. have been
    slow to punish Cumnock in the past that the S.F.A. have went over there
    heads and hope to sort this trouble out.
    Can I point out that there has never been trouble at Auchinleck for 15
    years when the club was hammered by the S.J.F.A. when a fan assaulted a
    Cumnock player(?).
    To list all the incidents at Cumnock would use all my disc space so I
    won't bother.
    Two weeks ago the teams met at Auchinleck and Talbot were reduced to 9
    men before the break. The game finished 2-2 and seven more players were
    booked, a fan also collapsed and died but at least there were no broken
    legs. The ref was a disgrace.
    Talbot won the replay on Saturday at Cumnock 3-1 and the Auchinleck
    keeper was assaulted by a Cumnock person throwing a brick. There were
    no sending off's, no one died and all the players finished the game
    with two legs each, however there were nine bookings.
    Auchinleck are at home to Glenafton in the next round of the Ayrshire
    cup.
    Still fancy Arthurlie for the Scottish but really, it is wide open this
    year and there is still a lot of dross teams left ie, teams from the
    North plus Largs, Linlithgow etc.
    See all you locals at Brockville on Saturday and will wait in Camelon
    Boolin club until they bring the cup down at night.
     

    
    
    You'll have a long wait at the camelon booling club as its been years
    since they last won anything and they'll no win on saturday either.
    
    The rose defence is pretty good at the moment so i'll be celebrating in
    the rose club on sat night when we win another league cup.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    well hopefully anyway.......
    
    should be a good game though...............

    
    Rose..0  Camelon..2
    
    Do you think I shouldn't have said anything..
    
    May-be next year then...........................................
    
    

    
    Scottish Cup results;
    
    Turriff..............3   Glenafton...........4
    
    Linlithgow Rose......2   Glasgow Perthshire..1
    
    Bathgate.............0   Pollock.............1
    
    Shotts...............1   Arthurlie...........1
    
    Glencairn............0   Shettleston.........3
    
                                                  

         
    
      Gordon,
         Yi will hae ti wait longer than next year ti win anything.
    
      Linlithgow Rose'........ and then they fell.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
        Pars for the title
    
    
    
    Sean.

    Nice header Sean.Been having second thoughts?
    

    
    
    Well Sean whit can ah say, you must be fie fife tae com oot wie 
    comments like that.
    
    nice header ya closet tic.
    
    pars fir ta league(fife junior league or oap's cin play wie us).
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    rosey posey for the scottish cup...............

    First things first.......NOTICE THE HEADER.



   And as fir ald eck thinking that I have had second thoughts about my 
  religion......come on ald yin, yi ken me better than that.......



   And as fir Mr peikie,who has some strange and wonderful notion the the Rose
     are going to win the Scottish cup................
                          WELL

   Theres more chance o a Dodo being found alive or maybe even Celtic  
    give us yir money FC winning a trophy this year.


    Sean.

    Three Ayrshire teams in the semis again ie Glenafton, Kilwinning
    Rangers and Largs Thistle. The latter went and beat Pollok 2-1 in the
    Quarters, not bad for a second division side.
    I still fancy Arthurlie even though they have still to go and beat
    Linlithgow to qualify for the semis.
    

    As predicted its Arthurlie who join the three Ayrshire teams in the
    Scottish semis. Arthurlie beat Lithgy 1-2 yesterday.
    

    For Jimmy Drummond
    
    
    KILWINNING  V  LARGS THISTLE   AT SOMERSET ON 15TH APRIL
    
    
    ARTHURLIE  V   AFTON BILLY BOYS  AT LOVE STREET ON 22ND APRIL
    
    THE FINAL TO BE PLAYED ON 15TH MAY AT THE HOLY STADIUM IBROX
    
    
    THE ARTHURLIE GOT A HAME TIE THIER ONLY THREE MILES AWAY FAE LOVE
    STREET.HOPE BY THE TIME YOU GET BACK ,WELL BE IN THE FINAL.
    
    CATCH YE LATER JIM.
                          RON
    
    

    Fancy Kilwinning will be in the final after to-night. Unlike the
    "seniors?" these semi's are played to a finish.
    I have had a fancy for Arthurlie for a while but the Glens are there
    again in another semi. My heart says Glens but with HOME advatage I
    fear the Barrhead club will win through maybe even after extra time.
    
    Am going to a REAL old firm game to-morrow where Auchinleck entertain
    Cumnock in a vital league match. Auchinleck must win to have a chance
    of winning the league while Cumnock need the points to avoid almost
    certain relegation.
    Once again there should be a three thousand plus crowd and I don't care
    how many players are booked or sent off or how many fans die from heart
    attacks, as long as there are no broken legs or serious injury on the
    park. I am fed up hearing that sickening snapping noise when a leg
    goes.
    
    

    JUNIOR CUP SEMI FINAL RESULT
    
         LARGS THISTLE 2   KILWINNING RANGERS 1
    
                ATT 6150
    

    
       Re:.201.
    
            Cheers auld champ, jist read yur note. Mind and put the result
       in asap.
    
                                  Jim.
     

    
    
    Scottish cup semi-final.2
    
    Glens...1   Lie...0     half-time latest score.

    FINAL SCORE FROM LOVE STREET
    
    
    
    GLENAFTON[BILLY BOYS]ATHLETIC.4[FOUR] AURTURLIE[GLESCA BUMS]0[HEE HAW]
    
    THE BIG IBROX BECKONS THE CHAMPIONS
    

    
    Ron,
    
    You wouldn't be a hun by any chance ?
    
    Educated of SQF
    
    

    
    
    Heres a wee snippet of news..
    
    Preston Athletic are currently applying to join the East of Scotland
    (senior) league. One of the reasons they are doing so is that :-
    
    The Junior set-up are thinking about a change in the leagues and
    there will be 3 leagues.
    
    East of scotland
    
    West of scotland
    
    and a junior super league for all the top junior clubs.
    
    Now this is the first i've heard about it so can any of you junior
    die-hards shed any more light on this.
    
    I think it would be good for the top teams but i don't know how they
    would decide on who they would be.

    Thats Easy Gordon......
    
    
    Boness would be in and the Rose widnae.......
    
    
    
    
    
    

    RE 208
    
    IT WOULD BE THE AYRSHIRE SUPER LEAGUE AND THE REST ALSO RANS.

    Result of the game played to-night in the Doon valley cup........
    
               Auchinleck Talbot  3     Glenafton Athletic  0
    No more details.
    Re 208. This super league has been spoken about for the last ten years
    or so. the biggest problem in the past is that the smaller teams would
    not agree to it for obvious financial reasons.
    The last I heard a couple of years ago was that the top six or so from
    the Ayrshire and Central (Glasgow district) to make up a West of
    Scotland league. 
    The East and Fife league could do likewise with Tayside and the North 
    completing the leagues.
    I think this would be great for the Junior game with some cracking
    games every week. The thousand or so gates that Auchinleck can attract
    at league games just now would probably at least double and the same
    can be said of most of the teams joining this set up.
    I hope something like this does happen as the Juniors could easily
    compete for crowds with the seniors in the second and third divisions.
    Yes I'm all for it.
    

    Cumnock Juniors were relegated to the Ayrshire second division on
    Saturday after there latest defeat at the hands of Kilwinning.
     

    
    Latest score;
    
    Scottish Junior Cup Final.
    
    Glenafton..(holders)...0    Largs Thistle........1
    
    30mins to go.

    
    1-0 was the final score, with FOUR players being sent off, two from
    each side! I didn't see them all, but apparently a head butting
    incident was involved.
    
    Archie
    

    
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    Archie,
    	  Your other job isn't Chief of Strathclyde Police by any chance.:>)
    
    	  Apparently he never saw this one,which made big D(r)unc's seem
    	  like he was just having a wee snog.Must have been at Mass with
    	  Mike Delaney instead of watching Scotsport,as they usually do.
    	  I wonder if they watched Sportscene on Saturday night,as Nicky
    	  Henderson's head rub was similar to the drunken ones.Wonder if
    	  Herr Farry and his other Gestapo crew, will take any action on these
     	  two incidents? (I wouldn't bother holding our breath)!
    	  
         

    
    
    Glenafton had two players sent off, 1 for a deliberate headbutt and 
    the 2nd for taking a blatant dive in the penatly area(his second
    booking of the game).
    
    Largs also had two players sent off, the 1st for punching a glenafton
    player during the headbutting incident and the other for
    pushing/throwing a glenafton player to the ground right in front of the
    ref.
    
    Appart from that the game looked not too bad(i only saw the 2nd half)
    and Largs should really have scored more. Glenafton tried to hard and
    didn't really get many chances.
    

    Maybe the player was a Mason,(unlike Dunc the Drunk) and you know how
    they stick up for each other.Never mind after dunc does his stretch in
    Barlinnie, Rangers might get rid of him and sign Hulk Hogan to play
    along side that other animal Mark(attack the keeper).
    jc
    

    
    
    Last Monday Newtongrange played there last game at there present
    ground, for the start of next season they will be playing in a 
    new 1 million pound ground near there present park. The money was
    raised by local business men so maybe the idea of a Junior super
    league is not so far away after all, or does the senior leagues 
    beckon. 

    Will they have any players for next seaon? I read in the press on
    Friday that they had forgotten to register their retained players
    for next season.
    JC

    
    wanny play fur the nitten then,.

    Does anyone know when the draw is made for the first round of the
    Scottish cup?. 
    The first round is usually played at the end of September.
    The Juniors kick off with the league cup this week and generally use
    these games to try out new players etc etc. before the serious stuff
    starts.

    
     Annbank get Auchinleck Talbot in the J.Scarlet Cup.....
    
    
                                            Billy..............
    

    Wullie Knox has resigned as manager of Cumnock juniors.
    The ex Auchinleck manager claims there was too much interference on 
    team matters.

    Its league cup semi finals day through out the regions to-morrow.
    One great tie should be Petershill V Pollok. The peasies have three ex
    Talbot players in there ranks and ex Talbot striker Gordon Mills is
    with Pollok. If you live in Glasgow forget the so called big teams and
    treat yourself to what should be an absolute cracking Junior tie.
    The  Ayrshire old firm are at it again when Auchinleck take on the
    Iraqui's (Cumnock) in one of the Ayrshire semis. Rangers and Celtic are
    brownies and cubs compared to this lot.
    A crowd of three thousand plus should see the Talbot beat the Arabs
    again fairly comfortably.
    

    
    Jimpy,
    
    Just as a matter of interest, how many times on average would you say
    Cumnock & Auchinleck meet in a season (League & Cup).
    
    

    Both clubs qualified from there section and duly won there quarter
    final ties. They met in the semis last week, so they have played each
    other twice. As Cumnock are now in the second division they will not
    play each other again this season except maybe in one of the many cup
    competitions.
    They meet on average four times a season.
    Auchinleck play a Rangers select a week on sunday for Kenny Patersons 
    Toastimonial. 
    I did not know till I saw last weeks programme that Kenny is a Selik
    fan, who cares, he is one of Auchinlecks best ever players.
     

    
    Jim,
    
    	I've taken many a fiver/tenner from Rab Paterson due to his
    willingness to believe that Sellick might actually win something.
    I take Kenny has been influenced by his brothers stupidity.
    
    G.
    
     

    
    The draw for the first round of the Scottish Junior cup will take place
    at Ibrox park on Tuesday 20th of September.
    The fixtures will be in the Daily Record on Wednesday.
    
    Davie.
    
    Ps,I can see it now,Livingston versus the Talbot.......away.

    Don't know who is favourite for the Scottish this year but somebody got
    Auchinleck at 16/1 last week.
    Petershill may start favourite because of the Glasgow press. My fancy
    this year would be between Auchinleck (of-course) Petershill and
    Camelon.
    Glenafton and Largs have used up there nine lives a while ago and I
    think both could go out early (if they ever get drawn away,that is)
    A good outside bet would be Livingstone.
    Looking forward to Wednesday.

    
    Must agree Camelon are looking good after adding to their already
    impressive squad.
    It`ll be some final......Camelon versus Livingston.
    
    Davie

    
    	GIVE ME A PINT OF WHAT HE'S ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    			
    				8*))
    

    
    The East region quarter final results today were,
    
    Bonnyrigg 1 Whitburn 3
    
    Linlithgow 2 Newtongrange 1
    
    Tranent 0 Livingston 2
    
    Camelon have already qualified,the semi final draw is,
    
    Linlithgow v`s Camelon (unsure who is at home,but going by past
    experience it is probably Linlithgow)
    
    Whitburn v`s Livingston.

    The Ayrshire league cup final is to be played at Somerset park, Ayr on
    Tuesday 11th october Kick off 19-30.
    Oh, nearly forgot, its between Kilbirnie and Auchinleck.
    
    Glenafton at last drew an away tie in the Scottish cup away to
    Petershill. As the peasies are one of my teams to go all the way I
    expect them to win through O.K. in fact they could take a few goals off
    the Glens coz they are mince.
    

    
    
    Linlithgow will have a real test against Camelon in the semi_final
    so this will give a good indication of what the rest of the season 
    will be like.
    
    I think Camelon will be too strong for them , but you never know.
    
    

     
    5 Quid........It`s a deal,where do I sign.
    
    Davie
    
    

    Kilbirnie won the Ayrshire league cup final after beating Auchinleck
    4-3 on penalties. It was 0-0 after extra time in a game where
    Auchinleck were made to pay for a number of missed chances and goal
    line clearances. Auchinleck easily had most of the pressure and chances
    but if you don't put the ball in the net then pressure dose'nt matter.
    Well done Ladeside. BTW the crowd was around the 5000 mark.
     

    
    
    
    Well one or two teams went out of the scottish cup today who would have
    been expected to last a wee bit longer, namely.
    
    Petershill   
    Ormiston Primrose
    Livingston
    Irvine Vic's
    Irvine Meadow
    Bo'ness                  oops they won    pity..
    
    Arthurlie only managed a 1-1 draw at home to Pumperston
    so they might go next saturday.
    
    The draw for the 2nd round involving all the clubs is next saturday
    up in Aberdeen.
    
    Hope lithgy get a home draw for a change......
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    p.s. lithgy got humped 5-0 by burnie in the league yesterday,
    definately not a dry blackthorn day.

    
    Lesmahagow are out as well.
    
    D.Pressed

    Any one see any prices for the Junior cup. I presume Glenafton will be
    Favourite closely followed by Auchinleck and Camelon, any thoughts?.
    

    Jimmy,
    	  How are the mighty Bu's not quoted after our 4-0 demolition
    of nohopers from Fife.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    8*)

    
    Rumour has it that a Bo`ness supporter who won the pools gave the
    club 25000 quid,4000 pounds of this has already been spent on John
    Sludden the former Celtic,Kilmarnock and Ayr player.
    
    Whitburn are my tip to go far in the Scottish this year,I`ll get 
    a really close look at them on Saturday in the League Cup Semi-
    final.
    
    Davie

    Have Bo'ness actually signed Sludden ? He is supposed to be going to
    QOS.
    
    BTW, 4000 pounds is more than Ayr paid Airdrie for him in 1986. But
    less than we sold him to the squirrels for (50K)
    
    Kev...

    
    Could someone explain how Scottish Junior Football is organised?
    Is it like English non-league football?
    
    Ian.

    re .233 
    IT LOOKS LIKE THE MINCE TASTED BETTER THAN THE PEAS COS THE PEASIES
    GOT BEEFED!!!!
    
    RE PIKEYS NOTE. AT LEAST WELL NO NEED TAE WORRY ABOOT OANY EAST GIANTS
    COZ THERE ISNY OANY.ONLY DWARFS!!!
    
    

    Re 244,
           Junior football is almost identical to English non-league
    football.
    It is organised in regions, unlike English non-league the Scotland
    juniors are not elegible to enter the Scottish cup, they have one of
    there own.
    Junior Scotland, England, Wales, N.ireland and Eire all had there own
    F.A. and competed against each other regularly. England however,
    withdrew from these competitions a few years ago.
    Players get "caps" when picked to play at Junior international level.
    It used to be very common to have young players go through the Junior
    ranks into senior football. I suppose one of the most famous would be
    Kenny Dalgleish. He played for Cumbernauld Juniors before going to
    Celtic (you could win a pint or two in the pub with that one).
    Any more info required, give us a shout.
                                                  Jim
      

    
    John Greig went from Whitburn Juniors to Rangers and a more recent 
    one was Dougie Arnott joining Motherwell from Polock.
    
    Davie

    Davie,
          Two players currently playing in the Scottish league played in
    the Ballieston team in the 1984-85 Junior cup final. Can you name
    them?.
    What was Slim Jim's Junior club?
    
    answers to-morrow.......
    

    
    Jim,
    Crawford Baptie & Dougie Arnott ?
    
    Hill O' Beath Hawthorn. ? 

    Was it RAITH ROVERS.
    
    Ferry Jambo
    

    Andy Walker's wan......and Bo'ness gubbed them...
    

    Crawford Baptie and Andy walker played for Baillieston and yip slim Jim
    played with Hill o'Beath Hawthorn.
    Dougie Arnott played for Pollok.
    

    
    Re:last couple.
    
    I thought it was some crap forward who went on to play for M/well.
    
    BTW is Andy Walker still playing junior football ?   

      re last..
    
    
                                         YES.
    
    
    
             

    Some Junior cup half times.....
    
                   Largs            1       Bonnyrigg Rose 1
    
                   Auchinleck       4       Deveronside    0
    
                   Dundee E.C.      0       Kilwinning R   3
    
    

    Some Junior cup full time scores....
    
                     Largs          1        Bonnyrigg Rose  1
    
                     Dundee E.C.    0        Kilwinning R    5
    
                     West Calder    1        Glenafton       6
    
                     Blantyre Vics  3        Ardrossan       0
    
                     Camelon        2        Kilbirnie       1
    
                     Auchinleck    10        Deveronside     0
    
                     Lugar          1        Maryhill        1
    
                     Darvel out, Don't know score.
    

    Presume the Sun will start an investigation into the Deveronside 
    keeper ?

    
    
       Larkhall (Champions in waiting)           8
       Islayvale                                 0
    
       Linlithgow                                9
       East Kilbride                             0
    

		
		Dalry Thistle 	0
		Renfrew Juniors	0

Replay at Merksworth on Saturday.
Thistle for the Cup.

Choppers The Tim

    Does anybody know the results of the replays in the Scottish Cup ??
    
    Donny
    

    
    
    Tulliallan....0  Whitburn...1
    
    is that the one you wanted to know donny.

    Gordon,
    
    That's the one that counts........I told to you !!!!
    
    Burnie' fur the Cup
    
    Donny
    

    
    At least lithgy will be through to the next round after getting a easy
    home draw(for a change) against yon team fie ower the flints boness
    utd.
    
    Guess i'll need to get up early from the night shift for that one.
    
    

    
    another wee gem  Auchinleck  v  Cumnock
    
    goog game,  good game.

Scottish O.V.D. Junior Cup Third Round Draw,

	Glenafton	 v	Aberdeen East End
	Haddington	 v 	Blantyre
	Lossiemouth	 v	Tranent
	Glenrothes	 v	Maryhill
	Fauldhouse	 v	Banks O'Dee
	Dundee North End v 	Benburb
	Dundonald	 v	Camelon	
	Pollok 		 v	Turiff
	Stoneyburn	 v	Downfield
	Kilsyth		 v	Bon Accord
	Bonnyrig	 v	Kelty
	Tayport		 v	Port Glasgow
	Bellshill	 v 	Dundee St. Josephs
	Coltness or
	Brechin		 v	Ashfield
	Hill O'Beath	 v 	Longside
	Linlithgow	 v	Bo'ness
	Broughty	 v	Lochee
	Johnstone	 v	Clackmannan or
				Yoker
	Beith 	 	 v 	Hall Russell
	Arniston	 v	Lochgelly Albert
	Stonehouse	 v 	Whitburn
	Armadale	 v 	Bathgate
	Auchinleck	 v	Cumnock
	Rob Roy	 	 v	St Andrews
	Greenock	 v	Inverurie Loco
	Sunnybank	 v	Dalry Thistle or
				Renfrew
	Shotts		 v	Shettleston
	Bankfoot	 v	Aberdeen Lads Club
	Lochee Welfare	 v	Carnoustie
	Arthurlie 	 v 	Scone
	Larkhall	 v	Kilwinning
	Kinnoul		 v	Lewis

C.T.T.

    I've been away for a week and missed all the replay results last
    Saturday. I have noticed Newtongrange are not in the draw so presume
    they were beaten, anyone know the score?.
                                               Jim
    

	Second Round Replay

	Dalry Thistle 	5
	
	Renfrew Juniors	3

Dalry play Aberdeen Sunnybank away from home in the next round.

    Well this is it, the big week-end is looming as it is cup time again.
    The biggest crowd will be at Auchinleck on Saturday when they take on
    bitter rivals Cumnock. The last time these teams met in the Cup was at
    Cumnock in 1976 when a crowd of 9,000 saw Auchinleck win 1-4.
    This time a 5,000 crowd is predicted and the same result will do fine.
    Auchinleck were beaten for the first time in 90 mins this season when
    Beith won an Irvine Times cup replay 2-1 last Saturday.
    The other "big" game is between Linlithgow and Bo'ness and again this
    should be a cracker. 

    
    
    
    A lot of ties were called off today but some of the teams through to 
    the second round are;
    
    Auchinleck
    
    Camelon
    
    Turriff  (beat Pollock)
    
    Shotts
    
    Tranent
    
    Fauldhouse
    
    Glenafton
    
    Some draws were;
    
    Linlithgow v Bo'Ness
    
    Bathgate   v Armadale
    
    
    
    the Whitburn and Stoneyburn games were called off. 

    Watched a good game at Auchinleck between the Junior old firm.
    A crowd of 2,500 (officialy) saw Cumnock take the lead in 5mins and
    missed a good chance to go two up soon after. As the first half wore on 
    Auchinleck were dominating for long spells but shots on goal were very
    few. Just on half time Cumnock cleared the ball off the line to deny
    the Talbot an equaliser.
    Four mins into the second half and the pressure finally told on
    Cumnock. Auchinleck were awarded a free kick some thirty yards out and 
    man of the match Stevie Logan bent the ball past the wall and into the
    postage stamp for the equaliser. Auchinleck were now parked in the
    Cumnock half and had a string of corners before Sam Frew netted with a
    header in the 70th minute. Kenny Paterson got the third direct from a 
    corner five minutes from time.
    This was one of the most sporting derby games I have seen and although 
    seven players were booked it was never dirty (for a change). I heard
    that Auchinleck full back Steven Lindsay suffered a compressed fracture
    of the cheek bone in a dodgy challenge but other than that there were
    no broken legs and I don't think anyone died, so a good days work for
    Auchinleck.
    
    
    
    

	Sunnybank 	0

	Dalry Thistle 	3

	CTT

	Does anyone know if the draw has been made for
	the fourth round?

	CTT

    I think the draw is this Sunday, but the next round is not usually
    played until end of January, there are only 32 teams left for round
    four.

    The draw is at Kirkintilloch (Rob Roy club) on Sunday next 18th Dec.
    
    

    
    
    Both Armadale and Whitburn made it through to the next round yesterday
    but Stoneyburn could only draw with Downfield.

    
    Linlithgow are at home,(surprise,surprise),against Whitburn in the next
    round,should be a cracker.I think Whitburn will win,another good tie
    is Armadale away to Shotts,(Frank McGarvey and co).
    
    Davie

	Does anyone know the draw for the next round?
	Or even just who Dalry Thistle have?

	Choppers

                        Ties to be played 21st Jan.
    
           Aberdeen lads club         V      Glenafton
          
           Dalry Thistle              V      Kirkintilloch Rob Roy
    
           Hill o'Beath               V      Blantyre Vics.
    
           Dundee St Josephs          V      Kilwinning Rangers
    
           Tayport                    V      Kilsyth
    
           Linlithgow Rose            V      Whitburn
    
           Arniston Rangers           V      Kelty Hearts
    
           Lewis Utd                  V      Turriff
    
           Arthurlie                  V      Inverurie Locos
    
           Ashfield                   V      Auchinleck Talbot
    
           Shotts                     V      Armadale
    
           Stonyburn or Downfield     V      Camelon
    
           Johnston or Yoker          V      Lochee
    
           Dundee N.E.                V      Fauldhouse
    
           Hall Russel                V      Tranent
    
           Carnoustie                 V      Glenrothes
    
     Thats it, still quite a lot of rubbish there yet but the best ties
    look like St Joeys V Kilwinning and Dundee N.E.  V  Fauldhouse.
    
    
    

    Took in the Camelon V Fauldhouse game on Saturday and it was a cracker.
    Camelon scored in five minutes against a very strong wind and missed
    loads of chances before Fauldouse equalised and then began to dominate
    using the wind to there advantage. Fauldhouse took there chances and
    went in at the interval 3-1 up.  Camelon threw caution to the wind at
    the start of the second half to try and get back into the game but they
    were being held comfortably by Fauldhouse. a slack pass in midfield by
    Camelon was punished when Fauldouse broke away and scored a great goal.
    Midway through the half Camelon got one back and were now parked in the
    Fauldouse half. Three minutes to go and 4-2 for Fauldhouse and the
    heavens opened, it was pissing down, I think the Fauldouse defence were
    trying to get to shelter as Camelon scored again, 4-3. Yip it was time
    up and the ref checking his watch when unbelievably Camelon equalised.
    The ball was centered and ten seconds later Camelon should have won the
    game when a striker went through with just the goalie to beat and hit
    it wide. Now it really was all over, a superb 4-4 draw in atrocious
    conditions.
    The locals were saying Fauldhouse had come on leaps and bounds since
    there new manager took over and I think this is a good team in the
    making. I sat next to the Fauldhouse manager (Dennis Lawson) at the
    draw for the Junior cup on Sunday and he was telling me some of his
    plans for the club. 
    If any of you Fawdee peeps have not saw your team for a while then I
    recommend a visit and give this guy your support.
    They have a very hard draw in the Scottish and it may just come too
    soon for them but, come next season, they will be a major force again.
    
                                  From your chief Junior reporter
    
                                                 Jimmy.
    ps  I was told the story about Terry Butcher maybe signing for
    Fauldhouse but it would take too long to tell, and no, he is'nt.
                              well............
    

    
    Fauldhouse have put in a 2000 pounds bid for Stevie Cowan of Livingston
    United.Fauldhouse are trying to get Livvy to take Jim Rodgers or Paul
    Simpson as part of the deal.
    
    Livingston are at home to Fauldhouse on Xmas Eve in the league.
    
    Davie...
    
    ps,Dennis Lawson has already brought in 5000 pounds from the sale of
    Hayton to Shotts and Fairlie to Pumpherston.

    Auchinleck Talbot are to hold a public meeting next week regarding  
    the purchase of Hamilton Accies old stand (with seats).
    Supporters are being asked to give thirty pounds each which will buy a 
    seat for three seasons.
    I hope this gains the required support but with unemployment so high in
    the area it will be difficult.
    I do hope this plan goes through. In modern times Auchinleck have had a 
    better than average team playing on a good surface but, the poor fans
    have had no where to shelter from the elements.
    

    
    
    
    
    Where did you get this good surface from, any time i've been there and 
    thats not been many the pitch was boggin.
    
                                       Gordon.

                  You have the pitch mixed up with something
    else............
                   probably your gub.
    

	Dalry Thistle 3-3 Rob Roy

	Does anyone know the draw for the next round.

	Who have Auchinleck got? :-)

	Choppers

    
    
    I think the draw is in 2 weeks,
    
    Auchinleck have been drawn at home to naebody athletic in the next
    round. the tie is to be played in the nearest pub with yer eyes shut.
     

    
    
    Well lithgi will be in the draw with auchinleck as they lost 1-0 to
    whitburn today. Thats the thing with luck it always runs out.
    
    

    Gordon,
           Don't be too upset..........Your right but Lithgi's luck ran
    	   OOT today !!
    	   The game itself was a bit scrapy.......both teams were about 
    	   even.  Lithgi could've even had a penalty when the ball hit 
    	   off a Whitburn player........But again there LUCK ran OOT !!
    	   
    
    	   As I was sayin' the 'Burnie' could go all the way.........
    
    
    
    	   Cheers ( with a laughing face !! )
    
    	   Donny

    
    Gordon,
    	   Ir yi too upset to reply ?????
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    	   P.S. Whitburn 1 - Linlithgow 0
    
    
    
    	
    
    	
    
    	
    
    	  UNLUCKY  ............ TRY AGAIN NEXT YEAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    	   Donny

    aye no much competition until ye come tae Ayrshire,where the cup has
    resided for the past ten year. get real boys the GLENS will be there
    again this year.

    
    Rob Roy	0-1	Dalry Thistle
    
    Scott Weir scoring for Thistle after about 30 mins.
    
    Into the last 16.  Bring on the Glens.
    
    CTT

    Jimmy,
    	  The only day out that I'll be at is the OVD Scootish Cup Final.
    	  When the 'Burnie' will be there.......
    
    	  
    
    	  P.S.  Jimmy I've bought my seats for the Whitburn stand as well
    	        
    		second from the front........
    
    
    		Oan Ma Deck Chairs........
    
    		
    
    		Anyway all the best for next season !!!!!

    
    
    Donny is that wee burnie the alledged perv that will be at the cup
    final...
    
    
    .
    

    Gordon,
    	   You've got to but in..........I was talkin' to Jimmy.......
    Here is the teams left in the OVD Scottish Cup....
    
    
    
    
    I AND NO...GORDON, LITHGI ARE OOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    OPS Sorry is that a sore point !!
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Yesterday's draw was :
    
    
    
    Tranent V  Glenafton
    
    Dalry Thistle V Whitburn
    
    Ashfield V Lochee United
    
    Camelon V Dundee NE
    
    Kilwinning Rangers V Lewis United
    
    Tayport V Carnoustie
    
    Hill O'Beath V Shotts BA
    
    
    ( Ties due on Saturday 25th February at 02:45 )
    
	
    
    
    Cheers for noooooo !!!!!
    
    
    Donny

    SO WHITS THE OTHER TIE THEN DONNY THERES SUPPOSED TO BE SIXTEEN TEAMS
    LEFT???????????
                    RON

    re -1
    
    Could you take your caps lock off please.
    
    Ta.
    
    Stuart

Now that Malc 'The Highland League is really interesting ... Honest' 
Theodorsen about some even more northern minor league could some of you
explain to me what's the difference between Highland League & Junior football as
they both seem (to me) to be semi-professional.

Other questions:

Why aren't Junior teams in the Scottish Cup?  
Why are all the best teams in Ayrshire?
Why do these teams get bigger crowds than most Scottish League clubs?

    
    
    1 Junior teams would probably win the scottish and we can't have that
      can we.
    
    2 Ayrshire teams pay higher bribes to bent ayrshire ref's(alledgely).
    
    3 It's not very hard to get higher crowds than most senior teams as
      they're mostly crap. 

But what's the difference between a 'Junior' team/player and a 'Senior' one?

Is just historical that there are 2(+) FA's in Scotland or is it more 
subtle than that?

    
    
    I'm not sure about the difference but i'd go for the historical one.
    
    

    
    
    I also think they get paid more in the juniors than the lower senior
    divisions. Although this only apply's to some of the better junior
    clubs.
    
    

    
    How good are Whitburn?  We have got them in the next round of the
    Scottish on Saturday, and I want to know if they are any good.
    
    CTT
    
    

    
    Choppers,
    
    I believe Whitburn (On their game), are a match for any side. However,
    they are very inconsistent, and tend to lose matches they are expected
    to win. I believe last year (or maybe it was the year before) they got
    to the semi-finals.
    
    

    
    
    Dalry(sp) don't need to worry about Whitburn, they need only
    concentrate on not losing more than Hurlford last sat.

    
    Can anyone tell me where the Cup final is being played this year??
    
    CTT

    
    
    Fir park..
    

    
    Choppers,
    
    Apparently the Dalry boys were a tad naughty on Saturday ! They were
    down to 7 men (4 sent off) & went for the old "If we get another sent
    off the ref has to abandon the game" routine. They then promptly had
    another man sent off, only for the referee "Not" to abandon the game.
    A riot then ocurred, and the ref had to abandon the game anyway !!
    
    Apparently, the Whitburn physio was then "Mugged" & ended up in
    hospital. My facts are a little hazy, as the info did come from the
    Sunday Mason. More info would be greatly appreciated.
    
    

    
    There was some guy from Whitburn on the Radio Clyde phone-in on
    Saturday. He had just come from the aforementioned game and was 
    a tad upset about the afternoon's proceedings.
    He claimed the Dalry players were stamping on Whitburn players faces
    and the that their supporters were being intimidated by the louts
    supporting Dalry..

    This all sounds pretty tame stuff for the juniors. That Whitburn mob
    must be a right bunch of jessies..
    
    Martin.....

    
    Martin,
    
    You'd have thought those Whitburn boys would have toughened up a bit by
    now.  I'd have thought that all the kickings they took from the Faw-Dee-Da 
    boys over the years, would have turned them into hard men, not big
    shandy drinking girl's party dresses !
    
     

    
    I was at the game on Saturday.  There was no crowd trouble, well not
    that much.  What happened was, after the ref sent off Gerry Malone, 
    he came over to the linesman at the stand side.  Someone threw a
    half-full can of McEwans at him, which missed, the polis came in and
    lifted somebody, and then there was fights between Dalry and Whitburn
    officials.  The papers blew it all out of proportion.  The folk that
    threw stuff at the ref were part-time huns, who were singin' raingurs
    songs at half-time.
    
    Choppers

    
    
    i was not at the game but the story here is that
    
    Whitburn scored the first goal then the dalry players went nuts and
    started argueing amongst themselves. A whitburn player broke clean
    through and got chopped for his troubles, the ref sent off the first
    player for that tackle(last man and all that). Next a dalry player
    brought down the whitburn forward (free kick given). As the whitburn
    player was kneeling down the dalry player kneed him in the
    face(booking), then when the whitburn player tried to get up he was
    pushed by the dalry player back in the dirt(sent off for that). Next 
    one of the remaining dalry players took offence at this and approached
    the ref and tried to nut him(sent off). Next offender to go was also
    during this incident for argueing with the ref. That was them down to
    7 men. Whitburn further extended there lead and dalry put on there sub,
    he promptly did some serious chomping ion the whitburn forward(again)
    and got sent off. There were also one or two other incidents with dalry
    players chopping down whitburn players and then standing on them.
    Nice team this dalry.
    After the game was abandoned the whitburn physio caught a thrown bottle
    with the back off his head(hospital job) nice fans too.
    
     Well what happens now,,,, replay or is whitburn awarded the tie....

    I must have been at the wrong game......The only thing you were
    accurate about was the day of the game.  I was at the game and there
    were nobody singing any songs at half time.  Dalry Thistle made a
    complete rearend of themselves......trying to play football........
    There will be NO replay of this game......if anything Dalry should be
    banned from appearing in the OVD Cup for a couple of seasons hopefully
    by this time the young BOYS will be mature MEN trying to play football.
    They should also be heavily fined. Typical Ayrshire team !!!!  

    Re: .317
    It was not a fan who knocked out the Whitburn guy.  That incident
    happened in the dressing room.
    
    Re:last
    You must have been on the other side, in the open.  There was about six
    folk singin' the huns version of Fields of Athenry, Here lies a
    Soldier, Hallo, Hallo, and No Surrendur.  They were also singin' Wiggle
    Wiggle.  They do not usually go to the games, the only reason they went
    in was because it was half-time and they got in for nothin'.  I was in
    the corner away from the dressing rooms.  We were singin and having a
    laugh.  We never threw anything at the officials or tried to cause
    trouble.  All we were guilty of was singing obscenities(sp?) about the
    polis and the referee, and about your Whitburn slums.
    
    Choppers

    
    
    As there is various versions of this match we may as well stick to the
    facts as known at present.
    
     Dalry Thistle......0   Whitburn Juniors.....2
    
     Match abandoned after 80 minutes.
    
     Dalry had 5 players sent off during the match and a further 2 in
     the dressing room.
    
    
     Could someone shed some light on what will now happen as regards this
     match.
    
    
     

    
    We will probably get kicked out and Whitburn will go into the next
    round without a replay.
    
    Choppers

    According to the papers today, Dalry have indeed been kicked out and
    Whitburn progress without the need for a replay.
    
    Kev...

    Well what did I say...........Whitburn would go through to the next
    round of the OVD Scottish cup ( last 8 ).  I'm still going for them
    to go all the way......I Hope !!
    
    Does anyone know when the next round is getting drawn ? 
    
    Hope the 'Glens' win there replay........I also hope that the 'Burnie'
    get them in the next round......As the sayin goes 'Another Ayrshire 
    ( hooligan ) team bite's the dust'.
    
    Donny
    
    

    
    The cup will still be going back to Ayrshire, either to the Glens, or
    the Buffs.
    
    Choppers

    AND.......
    
    It's not just Whitburn that were playing at the w/end.....
    
    Other Scores.....
    
    Ashfield...........1  Lochee Utd...........2
    Camelon............2  Dundee North End.....2
     -----------------------------------------------
    | DALRY(Thugs)TH.....0  WHITBURN.............2  |
     -----------------------------------------------
    Hill O'Beath.......2  Shotts...............1
    Kelty..............0  Arthurlie............0
    Kilwinning.........1  Lewis................0
    Tayport............1  Carnoustie...........0
    Tranent............1  Glenafton............1
    
    
    Donny
    

    re a few back,
    
    	         The draw was supposed to have taken place in Davie Roy's
    		 kitchen (as normal) but as the Rose are out of the cup
    		 they might have it somewhere neutral.
    
    
    		 Whitburn have got HEEEEEEEEEEEEee Hawwwwwwwwwwww chance
     		 of winning the scottish.

    
    
    
    Funny you should mention davie roys kitchen,
    
    The Rose won 4-1 on saturday and guess what 
    
    
    
    
    yep
    
    
    
    
    it was a cup game and for a change
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    the rose were at home.
    
    
    
    
    now isn't that amazing...
    
    

    Could'nt get into football notes last week so here is my tuppence worth
    regarding the Dalry game.
    I was not surprised of the reported incidents at this game. Afew years
    ago Auchinleck played at Dalry in an Ayrshire cup tie and the
    Auchinleck goalie was attacked by a Dalry "fan" with a bottle. This was
    followed by a riot and Dalry conceded the tie. That day there was a
    dozen or so neds sitting drinking in the park (against the law) and the
    Dalry committee did nothing. 
    This team obviously find it very difficult to cope with getting through
    the first rounds of any competition and, if the S.J.F.A. consider the 
    Auchinleck game as well as what happened last week then Dalry must be
    barred from the "Scottish" for at least a season.
    Dalry are a second division team and lets hope they stay there until
    they grow up.
    I have never been to Dalry since that incident and very few Auchinleck 
    supporters have, so, by there own actions they are missing out on gate
    money which I am sure would be useful to pay all there fines.
    By the way Donny, Whitburn have as much chance of winning the Scottish
    this year as Auchinleck has, nuff said.
    

    Latest score from Dundee......
    
                Dundee N.E.    1    Camelon Jnrs   4
    
                      10 mins to go.
    
              Camelon 3-0 up at half time.
    
    
    Glenafton game off.
    
    Auchinleck 3 Largs 0  (abandoned at half time) 
    

    Quarter final draw is at Whitburn today. Teams left are..........
    
                           Whitburn
    
                           Camelon
    
                           Lochee utd      
    
                           Hill o'Beath
    
                           Kilwinning
    
                           Arthurlie or Kelty
    
                           Glenafton or Tranent
    
                           Tayport
    
    
                           

    
                        Hill o'Beath  V  Lochee Utd
    
                        Glenafton     V  Arthurlie
                           or               or
                        Tranent           Kelty
    
                        Tayport       V   Whitburn
    
                        Camelon       V   Kilwinning.
    
                           ties played 18th March
    
    

    Results of the two Scottish replays are....
    
                  Glenafton 3   Tranent   0
    
                  Arthurlie 4   Kelty     1
    
    
     Glens now meet Arthurlie at home in the Quarter finals.
    
         Another result, in the West of Scotland cup....
    
              Kilbirnie  1    Auchinleck  2
    
              East of Scotland cup.........
    
            Camelon  2   Newburgh   1
    
    

    
    
    another wee result
    
    Linlithgow....2   Livngston....0
    
    Livvy go down to division 2.
    
    the first goal was an absolute classic.
    
    The Rose knocked a ball across the box for a livvy defender to get it,
    he calmly passed it back to his keeper who went to thump it up the park
    but "" he missed the ball"" and it trundled into the net. This as you
    would expect raised a few choice comments from defenders and the crowd
    when they'd stopped laughing that is.
    Livvy had been trying hard but after that they looked a wee bit 
    pee'ed off so to speak.  
    

    
    My mate said that he seen in a paper that Dalry had been kicked out of
    next years Scottish Cup.  Is this true?
    
    Cup scores:
    
    Tayport 0-2 $hitburn
    
    Can't remember the other one and the Glenafton and Kilwinning games were
    off.
    
    Choppers

    
    Hill o'Beath  0	Lochee Utd 1   
    

    
    	Gordon,
    
    	I agree with you.......infact I wonder what odds I would get
    	for a doubler....Celtic and Whitburn to lift Scottish Cups
    	one day after another.
    
    	The "Burnie" for the cup
    
    	Donny
    
    	

    
    Donny,
    
           You'll not get any odds for that double as the poor wee bookie
    will still be on the floor laughing come June.
    
    
    Lets face it Celtic to win a cup.....ho ho ho 

    
    
    The other two semi-finalist's were decided today and the results
    were;
    
    Glenafton.......3  Arthurlie........1
    
    Camelon.........4  Kilwinning.......1
    
    I assume the draw for the semis will take place tomorrow.

    A suppose the draw wont be taken in Davie Roy's kitchen as the Rose are
    oot.
    
    2 bad losses in a row for the rose.

    
    Well we can't win them all, or should i say "can't win any".
    
    
    
    Well at least we've won a trophy this season which is a lot better than
    the last 2 seasons, so we must be slowly getting better????.
    
    

    
    Whitburn were on 40 pounds a man to beat Dalry,but after the game
    was abandoned they were offered 20 pounds each until a decision
    was made.
    As they were winning 2-0 with five minutes to go the Whitburn
    players felt they had earned the full amount so they told the
    committee to stick the money where the sun doesn`t shine.
    
    Davie

    
    
    Scottish Cup semi-final draw.
    
    
    Glenafton    v     Whitburn
    
    Camelon      v     Lochee 
    
    

    Gordon,
    
    Looks like the 'Burnie' will be in the final.........
    
    Does anyone know where the venues are for the 2 draws.......
    
    Ron don't take ir to heart but 'The Glens' are oot !! They'll not 
    beat Whitburn I'm sorry to say.
    
    My prediction for the game 2-1 to Whitburn.
    
    
    
    Donny
    
    
    
    p.s. I've not been to far away with getting the score right so far !!
    	 It's a pitty I can't guess the same way as the Lottery.
    
    	 Whitburn and Celtic to lift the Silver wear this year !!!!!!!!!!

    
    Thats right donny they'll both be lifting the silverware and passing it
    over to the Cup winners e.g Camelon and Hearts.

      
        	How does the song go-Dream dream dreeeeam dream.........
    
        Wake up Donny,the only cup that Celtic will lift this year is
     the free one they get from the Esso garage when they put their fuel
    in the bus to get to the game.
    
      SQF Pars man......

    
  >>Thats right donny they'll both be lifting the silverware and passing it
  >>over to the Cup winners e.g Camelon and Hearts.
    
    Gordon,
    
    	   Don't be upset.......I mean try and not show that your upset
    	   that Lithgi's oot eh the Cup a WHILE ago !!!
    
    	   I said about 2 or 3 months back........I'm sorry to see a good
           cup team like Lithgi oot. There's is allways next year !!!
    
    
    	   For Hearts......Don't make me laugh !!!!
    
    	   Don't build your hopes up too soon......I'm not wanting to see
    	   ye greatin' on the terraces again this season.
    
    
    	   And again........and again..........and again.........!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    
    	   Come-a-long the 'Burnie' See yi later Hearts !!!
    
    
    	   Donny
     

    
    	Sean,
    
    	Gid CATHOLIC name........
    
    	OOOOOPPPPPSSSSSS !!!!
    
    	If you think about it Sean......the only way RANGERS will get a
    	cup is the cup Celtic will get after they have all drunk the
        Champers oot eh the cup from the Esso garage..........
    
    	But you lot can keep that cup........because the Celts' will have
    	there own........SCOTTISH CUP !!!
    
    
    	Donny
    
             

    
    Splash....Splash....Splutter....Splutter..
    
    
    Sorry about that boys..but I`m just back from swimming the channel..!
    
    Great note Donny..!
    
    Tam.
    

     whit's Donny and Celtic got in common ??????
    
    
    
    
      Nane eh them can finish whit they started !!!!
    
    
                                                   8*)))))
    
    

    
    ........but one of them can always finish off the Killie !!!
    
    

    
    
    that`s the only thing that`ll be on the scum mantlepiece this year.
    
    AGAIN.....!!!
    
    dedededededededededededededdedededededdededededede
    
    Tam.
    

    
    But surely raingurs are gonna win the League Championship trophy Tam ?
                           

    
    lets be serious here for a moment guys.....
    
     The trophy this year will be on the Jambo's mantlepeice
    
     SQF Jambo #1
    
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              -- JUNIOR  SCOTTISH CUP SEMI-FINAL VENUES ---
    
         Thurs.27 Apr    Lochee v camelon at Tannadice Park                 
    
          Fri. 28 Apr    Glenafton v Whitburn at Love Street

    Well Mr Wornin,ye reckon the "Burnie" are through eh.Well I reckon
    thier through as well,that is wi oany mair involvement in the cup.
    Ill be back in notes efter the gemme,when the Ayrshire giants
    "Glenafton" have proved again that east, west,
     Ayshires best.
                              RON.
    

    
    
    ha ha

    
    
    Latest displays by the scottish cup finalist's(I don't think either
    will have any problem getting past their semi-final opponents) are,
    
    Camelon.....1    Armadale...2
    
    Camelon's 2nd defeat of the season so far.
    
    Whitburn....5    Bo'ness....0
    
    Whitburn closing in on Camelon for the league title.
    
    Both matches were in the league.

    
    	Gordon,
    
    	All I can say........A good result a week before the Semi's...
    
    	I'm still going for Whitburn when they play the Glens' this week
    	
    
    	GOBBLE....GOBBLE.....SPLASH......SPLASH......
    
    
    
    	Looking forward to a P*** up of a weekend when Celtic & Whitburn
    	lift the silver wear this season......
    	
    	
    	Come oan D Shift.......What are you going to say noo then ?????
    		
    	
    	Donny
     
    

    There will be red and white ribbons on the cup this year, because both 
    the Glens and Camelon play in the same colours and they will both be in 
    the final.
    

    
    	Who's that whispering...........
    	
    	
    	Cum oan........	
    
    	Och...in....leck Talboooot........are already ooooooot !!!
    
    
    	The cups cumin tae Central...........
    
    
    	Donny
     

...Donal' whears ya trooosers?

gawd, who let Billy Connolly in here?

      You think that's bad... you should try reading the Gem's in the
      ABBOTT::TRIATHLON Notes File....!!!! 
    
    
      *:@))))

    
    	Just as I thought........ANOTHER good comment from one off the D
    	Shift BHOYS......
    	
    	
    	childish.........eh !!!!!!!
    
    
    	I'm sure this is for fitbo notes anyway......not humor !!!!!
    
    
    
    	Steve stick to writing about your team 'Falkirk'
    
    
    	
    	
    	Went down to see Whitburn play yesterday.......I wish they were
        playin the 'Glens today. They won 4-0 and could,ve been 6 or 7.
    	I saw in the 'Sunday Gers' that the 'Glens won as well.
    
    
    	Looking forward to the game on Thursday.........
    
    
    	Whitburn to beat the 'Glens 3-2 in extra time.
    
    	Camelon to beat Lochee Utd 2-0.
    
    
    
    	Hears hoping !!!!!!!!!
    
    
    	Donny
    
    
    
    

        
    At least my notes are in some sort of legible typing and the contents
    of the note not taken straight out of a Ripping Yarns Novel ...!! 
    
    
    *:@))))))))))
      

    
    	
    	THIS IS THE 'SCOTTISH JUNIOR NOTES'. Not the slaggin' notes
    	file.  Why are you so upset anyway ?? I was only replying
    	to 'A' Lithgi fan who's doon in the dumps because his team
    	are oot..... At least he wants the cup to come to Lothian as
    	well !!
    
    
    	Donny

    Re .363  
    
    What note are you talking about Stav ??
    Could it be posted here ??
    
    
    
    
                              
    
    Puzzled of Boness.
    
    

    
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    	CAMELON BEAT LOCHEEE UTD 2-1
    
    
    
    	Well looks like 'The Burnie' will be playin' Camelon in the 
    	final.
    
    
    	Here's hoping !!!!!!
    
    	Donny
    

    
    
    I hope Whitburn do win tonight as come the Cup final either Whitburn
    or Camelon will be all out for revenge, as they will have lost out
    in the race for the League title to the other team. Of course neither
    team has won the scottish for a wee while either, and in Camelon's case
    I'm not sure if they've ever won it.
    
     

    Its an all East final.
    
                       Glenafton  1     Whitburn   3        
    
    Glens led 1-0 at half time and then Whiburn got serious.
    

>>    Well Mr Wornin,ye reckon the "Burnie" are through eh.Well I reckon
>>    thier through as well,that is wi oany mair involvement in the cup.
>>    Ill be back in notes efter the gemme,when the Ayrshire giants
>>    "Glenafton" have proved again that east, west,
>>     Ayshires best.
>>                              RON.
  

	
	Well Ron,

	I'm sorry but I can't wait to slag ye !!!!

	I do hope you can reply.......as you said from your previous note
	

	THE 'BURNIE MADE IT.......

	Donny  

    
    
    Well donny whitburn are at camelon on wednesday night for the league
    decider so this should give a good indication of how the final will
    go.
    
    

    Well Donny aw ah can say is the best team won.Best o luck in the final
                                                                    RON

    
    	Steve,
    
    	Your not saying too much these days........As I said 'This is 
    	the Football notes and also Whitburn are in the final against
    	Camelon'
    	
    	Whitburn are playin' Camelon tonight in the league, it's is
    	between these 2 teams for the league title as well.
    
    	Whitburn to beat Camelon 2-1
    
    	Donny
    

    If its  football notes what are you doing in it...    *:@)
    
    Should you not be in the CHANNEL::SWIMMING notes file   *:@)
    
    
    P.S  ask someone on your shift to explain to you what this means--> *:@)
    
    
    I have put one in after every note ive entered......!!
    I think you have been getting upset as you don't know the meaning 
    of this sign....
    
    
    *:@))))

                                                                   
    	Steve,
    	     I'm so sorry I couldn't get access to the "Channel::Swimming"
    	notes file, could you send more info. I never knew something like
    	this would offend you, I did TRY to swim it but FAILED.....simple 
    	as that !!!  I can see that you have done something worthwhile in
    	your lifetime to follow 'The-Third-Hun-Team' in the present league
    	keep it up, they might win something before the 'Tic or the 'Burnie.
    	NOT !!!!!!
    
    
    
    
    	Now to last nights game........
    
    
    
    	Whitburn beat Camelon 2-1 at their ground, a good result in the 
    	league.  This also shows what they could do in the cup when they
    	clash !!!!
    
    
    	Donny

    
    
    Camelon are probably kidding you into thinking you can win the cup
    by letting you win last night.
    
    
    must have been a dodgy ref!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    
    	Is that the loan supporter fae 'Lithgi	
    
    	There's always next year.....Do you still want to bet ????
    
    	I hope the ref's dodgy in the final as well !!!!!
    
    
    	Donny
    
    	

    
    	Gordon,
    	       See Whitburn beat F'Hoos in the cup on Saturday......
    	I saw in todays Daily Ranger that Camelon got beat from Livi
    	Utd 1-0. Is it true Whitburn play your MOB tonight in yet 
    	ANOTHER cup !!!! Some score on Sunday for the BHOYS. I'll
    	give you a loan of the tape if you want !!!! 
    
    	Donny 

    Not such a good score this week Donny old bean....Boness 5 v Whitburn 0
    
    With Camelon giving the rose a good seeing to all doesnt look well for
    thee final.   
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Dav     Awaiting all the usual excuses about how the result didnt
            matter, and we had 15 players injured.

    
       
      Prediction for the Scottish Junior Cup Final on Sunday.
    
    
            CAMELON 2 V WHITBURN 3
      
     Possibly a tight and messy game with both teams giving their all,
     but at least Whitburn to come out with a victory and recieve the 
     Junior Cup for the very first time. 
    
    
    
    

                          Junior Cup Final
    
                              Half time
    
                       Camelon  1   Whitburn  0
    
    

                      Junior cup final score
    
                   Camelon   2    Whitburn   0
    
    
                        ya dancer!!!!!
    
    

        
    Well done Camelon Stuffing Whitburn........!!!!

    
    Did you go to the game Donny...?? I hope so..   *:@))) 
    
    
    Ive seen Celtic play 3 times this season.. How many Games did you go
    to..?????
    
    
    
    
    

    Three of the top Ayrshire teams have appointed new managers recently.
    John Minford resigned from Auchinleck and they now have the services of
    Beith and Scotland boss Dennis Gray. 
    Gray played ten years at Auchinleck and is the all time highest scorer
    for the club, he takes over at the end of the season. The only thing
    against him is that he was the boss the last time Cumnock won the cup.
    
    Ex Auchinleck boss Willie Knox (six scottish cups, and 47 other
    trophies) is the new boss at Irvine Meadow and Dick Brock the ex
    Scotland junior manager is taking over at Beith.
                                   

    
    	STEVE,
    	
    	No I didn't go to the game.......But the best team won on the day
    	and NO EXCUSES !!!!
    
    	I haven't been to see Celtic since the 'Rovers' beat them in the
    	cup final. 
    
    	Donny
    

    
    
    
                    JACKIE SCARLETT CUP FINAL
    
    
     ON MONDAY NIGHT CUMNOCK JUNIORS TRIUMPHED MAGNFICENTLY 3-1 AGAINST
     ARDEER THISTLE.WATCH OUT THE REST OF SCOTLAND CUMNOCK ARE BACK ON
     THE SCENE.  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
                   AWAY  THE   NOCK !
    
    
    
    
    

    meadow 2 v 1 cumnock
    
    ha! ha!
    

    So Where are all yoos Junior fans, got lost in the Arctic fur three
    months.
    
    Scumnock and Talb-ooot have now joined the Glens out of the Scottish
    Cup. My moneys on Tayport again.
    
    Okay I'll admit to being a Glens fan, and make my only comment "Roughie
    must go!!!!" What a crap disappointing season, if that's the best he
    can put on the park then its time to go. He's losing the Glens fans
    fast- some of us even resort to going shopping with the wife rather
    than watch them. Someday the mighty Glens will march again- I hope?
    
    
    
    
    
    MWT
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    p.s. Denis Gray's a wonker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    

    C'mon there's bound to be someone out there with even just a wee bit of
    interest in the juniors!
    
    
    MWT

     
    
    
    
    YES THERE ARE JUNIOR FANS OUT HERE,BUT I WOULD HARDLY SAY FOLLOWING THE
    GLENS IS MUCH OF AN INTEREST ,WHICH COMPETITION ARE WE GETTING KNOCKED
    OUT OF THIS WEEK.I MEAN MUIRKIRK COME ON.THIS WILL MEAN WE WILL JUST 
    HAVE TO BEAT TALBOT IN ANOTHER CUP.
    
    
    
                     AWAY THE NOCK.
                                             D

    Well I did say two notes ago "Rough must go!". He's put the biggest
    load of s##te I've ever seen on the park this year.
    
    Anyway who's Cumnock? Oh yeah them that play Glens has beens all the
    time (Stormin Fatboy Norman for example). The Talbot deserve you, one
    thing the grass will grow when you two meet, all the sh#t thats on it!
    
    
    MWT

    Doh!
    
    Must have scared you off right good and proper PATRICKD, four weeks and
    not a word back in anger!
    
    BTW the Glens are still playing s#@t. Thankfully the season is all but
    over.