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    SPURS NEWS !
    
    Possibility of Nigel Clough in the newspapers.
    
    Very nice idea!
    
    See you at Wembley.
    
    Antony

    
      Anthony...
    
       I saw the news about Cloughie  a couple of days ago.nothing since...
    it might have been Paper talk.Better news  is it looks like Paul
    Stewart is staying after all,he is being offered a new contract,and
    having talked to his missus now wants to stay at Spurs...we will see.
    
       Probably the same team that finished the Cup final for tomorrows 
    Humiliation of The Arse.....
    
    Dave...

So Saturday's game ended in a draw. It was a competitive game, with Arsenal 
having most of the positional play, but I would say Spurs having the most 
meaningful chances. 

Arsenal started the game stronger, then half way through the first half we came 
back into it. Samways seemed to play furthest forward in the midfield. I think 
that the thing we do well as a five man midfield is when we break forward and 
quickly support Lineker. It seems to give back fours all sorts of problems. 
However this only happened in small periods on Saturday. The second half seemed 
to be mostly Arsenal pressure.

Next Saturday to the real thing, then I believe we have our preliminary game 
v the Austrians, away leg first.

This week we are playing in a tournament in Italy v Juventus. 

Finally I do not understand the reasoning in playing Fenwick, Merson was all 
over him at Wembley, especially in the second half.

Stewart meeting Venables today to sort out a new contract.

Antony 

    
      Not the best NL derby ive ever seen,Arsenal were Boringly efficient
    as usual,although I thought we finished the stronger and I did think we
    would nick it.Still I wasnt too dissapointed with the result....Who'd 
    bet against two 0-0 in the League games this season.
    
     Still no news on Paul Stewart,but it now looks like he will stay at
    WHL.
     Down at the Dell on Saturday,and off to a winning start,then off to
    Austria for the first Euro game.
    
    
    Dave...

I believe that we have a game tonight V Juventus in Italy.

I also have heard that the FA have put in a bid to hold the cup winners cup 
final at Wembley.

Antony

 

    
    re .3 .....
    
    Oh, come on, Ant. That game was awful. I bet it cheered a few up on
    Merseyside watching the supposed London protagonists struggling to
    get heir game together (no disrespect to Crystal Palace intended..).
    
    And how did Pat "kick 'im up in the air" Van Den thingummy manage 
    to stay on 'til the end ?????
    
    He must have slipped him a few scheckles, eh ??? 8-) 8-) 8-)
    
    things will need to improve if you're gonna repeat last years fluke!
    
    
    
    Andy.
    
    

Andy,

I think your memory has shortened so much that you have forgotten how many
bore draws there were between last seasons championship challengers, including 
the merseysiders, and that enthralling cup winners cup final which if not 
played between an English club and foreign opposition, was a total write off 
as a game.

Saying that Saturday's game was pretty bad, but I stand by the point that the 
real cutting thrust was made by Spurs. The difference between last season's 
final and Saturday was that the attack was not sustained enough throughout the 
game as we rapidly tired in the second half. However, I don't think we'll play 
in hotter conditions in the football league this season.

I do not realistically think Spurs will win the league but we are a good bet 
as a cup winner. 

Antony
  

Durie for Spurs !

So Venables has finally got his man. I do not understand too much as last time 
we put an offer in Chelsea wouldn't sell to us and Durie said he wanted to go 
back North, where have I heard that before. Lets hope buying Durie means we 
don't lose Stewart.

Two days to go !

Antony

      I quite suprised we have signed him,it seems alot of money......I
    hope he is a success.
    
    Dave...

    
    	
    	Antony, I would have thought signing Durie would have only hurried 
    	the departure of Stewart.
    
    	One vastly overpriced, overrated player for another..8-)..
    
    	I'm only surprised Utd didn't try and jump in with a higher offer!
    
    	El Tel obviously couldn't lure Clough Jnr. away..
    
    	Could be good news for Chelsea. With their new signings looking to
    	be quite astute pieces of business, and with a few young players
    	already at the club with Div. 1 experience, they could be an
    	awkward side this year, possibly finishing in the top five, which
    	for them would be a moderate success.
             
    	Andy.

    
    Dave....
    
            I dont think other club would have paid that much for
            a player that spends most of the time sitting in the
            stand injury prone.
            And we thought West ham had sold us a dummy with Alan Dickens,
            Tottenham will probably put in a bid for him next.
    
              ANDY-B.........
    
    

Durie will make his debut for Spurs at Southampton.

There are tickets available for the Euro game on Wednesday. Coach trips and
Aeroplane flights with match tickets are available.

Come on you spurs!

antony

    Gordon 'groinstrain' for 2 mill...
    Ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
    Although I regret his departure, someone didn't look at his playing,
    sorry, injury record!
    IS THIS CHEQUE GOING TO BOUNCE THOUGH???
    Mn.

    
    	re .14...
    
    
    	Ha Ha Ha !! Excellent..
    
    	What have you got to say to THAT, Ant. ?
    
    	You're not still thinking of going to Stockerau (sp) are you?
    	Did you say 65 quid for the trip?
    
    	Save it....El Tel might need a loan soon, and Sugar Daddy's purse
    	might not be deep enough!
    
    
    	Andy.

    
    
       A great start....3-2 at the Dell,2 goals for Lineker and 1 for Durie
    on his debut,and considering Southampton were all over us in the first
    half,it was a good comeback.
    
      The Stockerau manager is Quoted as saying "We have no chance" after
    watching Spurs on Saturday.
    
    Dave...

Report in today's Mirror says that an agreement is very close between Spurs and 
Paul Stewart. Good news as he is a very important member of the team.

The game in Austria Tomorrow evening at 6.15pm mis live on a Sporstcall? a pub 
and club video service, you can ring 0800590098 and they will tell you a pub in 
your area showing the game.

Back in Europe

Antony

    Could you tell me what is Nayim's current state in the Spurs? Has he
    gained the confidence of supporters, club, colleagues, press, etc. I
    suppose so, specially after his excellence play in the Cup final.
    
    Any light please?
    
    Thanks
    
    JUANJO

    Does anyone know which game/s are being shown live next week ??
    
    Cheers
    Rob..

    
    Re-1
           Paerathanikos (sp) v Man Utd   2:30  Weds  ITV
    
           Arsenal v Rapid Vienna  8:00  Wed ITV
    
           Liverpool v some Finnish Team  8:00 Wed  BBC I think.
    
    Dave...

    There were plans to show the Liverpool and Arsenal (home?) games
    live; BBC and ITV respectively. However, Des Lynham's parting words
    at the end of Sportsnight on Wednesday night suggested that the
    Liverpool game would only be highlighted. As for the Gunners I'm
    not sure. Same goes with the plans for The Totts and The Mancs.
    
    Barry.

    
    
     Spurs 2  QPR 0
    
     Lineker 2
    
    
      Another 3 points,and we are going along quietly picking up points,and
    moving up the table,13 points with 2 games in hand on the Mancs and the
    other pretenders.
     We didnt play well,but QPR couldnt score and Gary Lineker could,two
    chances,two goals.That makes 7 for the season so far.Wimbledon away
    next week and then we play Man Utd at home.
      On Tuesday its Hadjuk Split in Austria,they havent trained or played
    so far this season,and according to there manager dont even want to
    play,still no counting of chickens here.I'll be happy with a repeat of
    the score a few weeks ago in Austria,1-0.
    
     Dave...

    
    
      As ITV's contract to show Arsenal,Man Utd and Spurs games "exclusivly
    live",doesnt seem to extend to showing Spurs at all tonight,then we
    will have to make do with the whole 90 minutes "exclusivly live" on
    Capital Gold starting at 6:15 (Game kicks off at 6:30).
    
    COME ON YOU SPURS...
    
    Dave...

So try the BBC! Highlights of the Spurs game tonight on BBC1 2350-0040 (Not N 
Ireland, who have Glenavon, or Wales, who see Swansea- Monaco)

Howzat?

g

    Hadjuk Split 1-0 Tottenham H
    
    looks like youre gonna have to get your act together at WHL.
    split looked very impressive.
    could it be that the 4 foreign players rule is beginning to affect
    British teams performances ALREADY?
    cheers,
    Ian.
    

    
    Could someone post the telephone number here for the Spurs ticket
    office enquiries as i'm trying to find out if the Man Utd home game
    upon Sat 28th Sept is all ticket?.
    
    Thanks,
    Leigh
    

    RE .27,
    
    The Spurs don't have 4 Foreign (non-english) players so they're going
    to need another excuse.
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

    >Could someone post the telephone number here for the Spurs ticket
    >office enquiries as i'm trying to find out if the Man Utd home game
    >upon Sat 28th Sept is all ticket?.
    
    081-808-3030
    
    Regards,  
    
    Stevo
    

    
    RE -1
    
    Cheers Steve
    

    
    Hadjuk Split 1  Spurs 0
    
      I listened to the game on Capital Gold,it sounded like we were second
    best all over the pitch,and that was pretty much confirmed by the BBC
    hightlights.The only good thing to come out of it,we are only one
    down..it really could have been 3 or 4 and we would be out now.Paul
    Stewart had a golden chance to equalize in the 88 minute but put his
    header wide,when unmarked 3 yards out.
      An improvemant is needed for the second leg,it should come and we
    should overturn the deficit,but they are dangerous.I'll be gutted if we
    go out in the first round.
    
    Dave...

    
    Spurs were the team that looked as if they had not played for
    a while and not Hadjuk Split.
    
    I think the return will be good for Spurs, the occasion will
    suit them best. I wouldn't like to see them drop out in the 
    first round either.
    
    Jeff.

    
    
      Terry Fenwick has been sent to prison for 4 months for drink driving.
    So now Van Den Hauwe will probably move across to right back and Justin
    Edinburgh will come back into the side hopefully.Ive never rarted
    Fenwick anyway,so its no loss.
    
     Wimbledon away tomorrow,then Swansea away on Wednesday.
    
    Dave...

    Has anyone got the fixture list for the season please?
    
    (I'm into forward planning!)
    
    I'd greatly appreciate a copy please (if a photocopy then my mailstop
    is BIO).
    

    Terry Fenwick jailed for 4 months, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
    
    Just remember how you all laughed and joked when Adams was jailed.
    
    Who'se the jailbird now?
    
    I bet he drinks Holsten Pills!!!!

    
      RE-1
    
        Yeah......but the difference is..we dont care about Fenwick.
    
      Dave...

    
    
      Wimbledon 3 Spurs 5
                  Lineker 4
                  Samways
    
      Another away win,and Gary Lineker keeps pace with Alan Smith with 4
    goals,both have 11 now.I didnt go but it's a good win,although the
    defence were dreadfull apparently,but we made up for that in attack.
     I'm off to Swansea on Wednesday then the big one against unbeaten Man
    Utd.Should be a good game,and there first defeat of the season.Things
    are going well,and there are also rumours that Hadjuk Split are going
    to pull out of the ECWC second leg,due to the increasing problems in
    Yugoslavia.
    
    Dave...

    
    Does anyone know if the game against Man Utd. on Saturday is all
    ticket?.
    
    Leigh
    

Re .41

	The game against United is ALL TICKET. Man Utd have sold all their
allocation and I read on Teletext that Spurs have sold all their seats and
are advising people without tickets NOT to go.

Tony

    
    Re -1 & -2,
    
    I heard it wasn't all ticket and that gates open at 1pm but get there
    early if you want to get a place on the terraces.
    
    Gary.

    
    Swansea 1 Spurs 0
    
     Got exactly what we deserved,we were Sh*t.The problems start here,we
    just havent got the strength in depth at the moment,last night with a
    couple of injuries,Lineker missing,Van Den Hauwe and Durie going off
    injured,our youngsters came in and looked just that,they sruggled to
    make an impact against a team bottom of the 3rd division and without a
    win all season.Samways was the best player on the pitch by some
    way...but he just couldnt spur the rest of the team.One of the worst
    performances I have seen for years.
    
      We need a massive improvement on Saturday,or we will get spanked by
    Man Utd.Lineker will be back and Durie is expected to be fit,but its
    the defence that is the problem.
    
    Dave...

    re -1 
    
    SPANK SPANK 
    
    
    spurs 1 MANCHESTER UNITED 2
    
    im

    
     First big test of the season tomorrow,home to Man Utd.According to
    ceefax last night Durie and Lineker are both fit,and will play.Man Utd
    look stronger this season than ever I can remember,they have a good
    squad and arent conceeding any goals.There are problems in defence for
    Spurs,Van Den Hauwe is almost definatly out,Justin Edingurgh is
    injured and so we are short of Left Back's.It will probably be a make
    shift defence.An improvement on Wednesday's performance against Swansea
    will be required,that will happen,and the Mancs are due a loss.
     Hadjuk Split have apparently sent a letter to THFC,saying they will
    definatly play the second leg of the ECWC game at the Lane on Wednesday
    night,thats a shame......
    
    
    Dave...

    
      Spurs 1   Man Utd 2
      Durie     Hughes
                Robson
    
      Great Game...But very disapointed that we didnt hold on for a
    draw,which would have been a fair result.The sending of of Stewart was
    the turning point,I thought at the time it was a delberate trip,but
    watching yesterday,it looked to me like nothing more than a clumsy
    challenge.We played really well in the second half,and when the defence
    eventually sorted out who was doing what,I thought we might steal
    it,but we lost and thats that.
     As for United,they look very strong,and will definatly be there or
    there abouts at the end.
     Hadjuk Split on Wednesday,and a one goal deficit to overturn,if we
    play as we did on Saturday,that shouldnt be a problem.
    
    Dave...

After Saturday, we have another big game at WHL tonight. I'm hoping for a good
Spurs win to restore confidence in a competition we must do well in this year 
for pride, prestige and much needed revenue.

I think a few ego's took some stick Saturday and hopefully they will be looking 
to put things right tonight. 

I think 3 - 1 to Spurs. 

Antony

    
    	Well done Spurs! It looked tough against a spirited Sparta side
    	who passed the ball around beatifully. Two good goals. Even after
    	whateverhewascalled was shown a red card for a curious deliberate
    	handball (didn't look particularly dangerous at the time..) Sparta
    	still played tremendous stuff and didn't seem bothered by being a
    	man down.
    
    	Although the agg. scoreline was close, I felt Spurs had the game
    	under control until some nerves crept in with about fifteen minutes
    	to go. Shreeves can take most of the blame for this by playing
    	defensively. Spurs looked much better going forward but shaky in
    	defence. Samways and Durie had good games and you deserved to go
    	into the draw for the next round.
    
    	This game was live on the box here in England - I didn't go!
    
    	Andy.

I agree with Andy's comments, although I think our play was dictated by the 
fact we were in control of our destiny so quickly, within 15 mins we had turned 
1-0 down to 2-1 up and were faced with a dilemma, protect the lead or go 
forward and risk the counter attack, something not many people expected. I 
think Durie, samways and Stewart, lead the team and it was a bad case of nerves 
in the last fifteen minutes which could have lead to our downfall. 

I never think Spurs look comfortable holding onto a slim lead. It's just not 
usually our style. Lets hope for a good draw to take us through the round to 
next spring and the qtr final draw.

I thought both all Split players looked very useful and with current climate 
in Yugoslavia could come at a bargain to other clubs.

Andy, if you watched on the box I bet you had a few shakes over the Utd xtra 
time.

Next, a tough away game at Everton.

Antony

I think we should start a collection to help Arsenal buy some new shirts. 
They're a bit low on Freebiesfrom Adidas and are a bit short on petty cash at 
the moment. 

Who are the Yiddo's

(See todays Mirror!)

Ha Ha Ha !

Antony

    Is there a London football club competition to see who can devise the
    worst yellow-coloured shirt?
    
    Arsenal's is the best|worst. Spur's came pretty close last night
    though (what was that bit on the shoulder supposed to be?).
    Palace need more work on theirs.

    The white bit is where Mrs Cohen the laundress spilt some bleach on 
    one of the shirts and then did the same to the rest to make them look
    the same. Or is there a big bird in the sky above WHL ?
    
    jb.

    
It appeared from watching it on the telly that the crowd were giving
Nayim some stick. Am I mistaken or is it true. And if so, why?

    it looked that way, i tried to think why, but i could see no reason.
    Ian.
    

No stick, it's just that when the fans call they sing

Naaaaaayyyyyiiimmmmmmmmm which sounds like booing but isn't.

antony.

QPR usually get some grotty kits, I think that Coventry win this seasons 
award.

    
    Yes it sounded like booing but I'm glad that he's not getting
    stick.

    
    
    Anyone going to Liverpool on sat  for the Everton game ?????
    
    I will meet you for a pint ...........Maybe ..........
    
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Liam

     
    
      Spurs have been drawn against FC Porto of Portugal in the 2nd round
    of the ECWC.I think they are away in the first leg,but I am noy sure of
    dates.
    
    Re-1
    
     Liam...I'm not going tommorrow,due to the fact that I am working here.
    
    Dave...

    They'll have to improve on this week. I saw Porto in Munich last
    season and they were no slouches !!

What's the current status of Paul Walsh, I know Francis at QPR wanted to extend
the loan period.

antony

	In amongst the articles about nymphomaniacs and call-girls in 
	yesterdays News Of The Screws, it said that Spurs declined to 
	extend the loan, and the possibility of a 'kiss and make up' with 
	Clemence is on the cards.

	Eck.

    
     Walsh may play on Saturday,according to various papers yesterday.Paul
    Stewart starts his ban on Sat.Caned by Everton on Saturday,the less
    said the better.
     Swansea on Wednesday at the lane,and a one goal deficit to overturn.
    
    Dave...

Any news of tonight's game.

antony

    Ref: .60
    
    >Oh well, thats Spurs out of European competition for this year then.
    
    I haven't seen much of Spurs but can tell you that Porto is next to
    impossible to beat at home. They play a very deliberate, boring, but
    very effective style. They have a habit of scoring one more goal than
    whatever the opposition scores. They get results. For whatever its
    worth, Portuguese teams have never done well against English teams.
    Being Portuguese It doesn't feel right to wish Spurs trash Porto, but
    its true. Being a Benfica fan, a Porto loss is almost as sweet as a
    Benfica victory.  
    
    Go get'em Spurs!
    
    JC

Spurs 5 Swansea 1 

Looks like it took some time but we over ran them in the end. Third rd draw 
Grimsby Town away(Ominous)!!

The importance of the away leg in Europe is to get the away goal. Does anyone 
know when the decision is to be made regarding whether we play the day before 
Arsenal or after or are we switching legs.

regards,

antony 

    
     Antony...
    
      Apparently in the next 48 hours,we should know if the game is to be
    switched.
       
    
      As for last night,well 5-1 was slightly flattering to Spurs.Our
    defence was dodgy in the first half,and it wasnt helped when Tuttle
    went off.Although Scott Houghton did well when he came on.Paul Allen
    was switched to right back.Houghton played wide on the right.
     Goals from Lineker(pen) Stewart Allen and Samways,who is getting
    better and better.I coudnt tell if the penalty was dodgy or
    not.Although most people seem to think it wasnt a penalty.Swansea
    collapsed after that.
    
     Grimsby away in the next round......not the best of draws.As lack of
    funds mean I wont be going to Porto....I'll have to make do with that.
    
    Dave...

    
    So we have been told to play the first leg against Porto,at home....to
    make sure we dont clash with Arsenal.So we loose the advantage of
    playing away first.
    
    Gary Mabbutt has been called into the England squad.
    
    Rumours in todays papers about QPR's Andy Sinton moving to the lane.In
    a money + Paul Walsh deal.
    
    Dave...

    
    Could someone tell me who got the goals in the following?
    
    vs. Everton in the 1-3 defeat
    
    vs. Swansea in the 5-1 win
    
    vs. Hadjuk Split in the 2-0 win
    
    Thanks....we get scores, but not goal scorers over here.
    
    Mike

    
      Re-1
    
       Mike....
    
           V Everton    Gary Lineker.
    
           V Swansea    Paul Allen,an Own Goal,Paul Stewart,Gary Lineker
                        Vinny Samways.
           
           V Hadjuk Split   David Tuttle,Gordon Durie.
    
    
     Dave...

    
    EX Everton    Cottee got a hatrick   Oh !!! you meant the spurs scorers
    
    Lineker got a typical oppurtunist goal ,diving header past the Binman.
    
    
    
    
    Liam
    

    ref: .70
    
    > So we have been told to play the first leg against Porto, at home...
      to make sure we don't clash with Arsenal.
    
    The same applies to Porto vs Boavista.
    
    Because of the change in the Spurs-Porto match up, Boavista, playing
    the first leg (UEFA)away to Torino(?), will have to play the second 
    leg at home the same day Porto hosts Spurs. I've been told the Boavista 
    grounds are only about 10K from Estadio das Antas. For this reason 
    Boavista asked UEFA to also change their game but were denied. Did
    anybody say life was fair?
    
    JC
    
    

    
     Spurs second leg game in Purtugal,has been put back to Thursday 7th
    Nov,to avoid clashing with Boavista.
    
    Dave...

Talk about confusing. Spurs were not allowed to put back the second leg for 
twenty four hours so not clash with Arsenal, then we swap and the game is put 
back so as not to clash with a Portugese neighbour. 

It all started because UEFA think there will be punch ups at the airport 
between Arsenal and Spurs on the way out there. We manage to get 75,000 opposing 
supporters in one stadium last season but when we play about 100 miles apart 
there must be trouble. I think UEFA would wet themselves if they had to manage 
the number of London derbies we have, we'd be playing  one Friday night, one 
Saturday, one sunday morning, Monday night !! 

Oh well, at least it means Digital isnt the only confusing place at the moment.

antony 

    It's probably all to do with the average Brit going 'sur le continent'
    - it usually sends them fighting drunk .....
    
    jb.

Help required,

I was reading my copy of the SPUR last night and I saw in a small section that
Alex Flynn??(Saatchi & Saatchi) has written a book about last season following 
the fortunes of Spurs and Arsenal, it is called "Heroes and Villains", it said 
it was to be released end of Sept, but has it, as I went to my local WH Smith 
and they did not have it.

He also wrote a very interesting book called "The secret life of Football" a 
couple of years ago which gave a good insight into football throughout Europe 
including our EX, Irving the Scholar,  when and how he took over at Spurs.

antony

Spurs 0 Man City 1

Well another home game has passed us by, apparently Lineker missed a few good 
chances. Let us hope that Wednesday and Porto siganls a change, the same result 
as V Hadjut Split would be useful (2-0), the most important thing is not to 
concede any goals.

Any news on the transfer scene, I see Walsh is back at the lane, and Nayim 
wants a move back to Spain, are we still interested in Sinton? of QPR. 

I think our main goal this year is that of consolidation. Sort out the 
finances.

Still, I'll be there Wednesday.

antony

    Another sh*t home result.We are struggling at the moment.I must admit
    to not being to confident for Wednesday.Peter Shreeves seems to think
    0-0 will be a good result......WHAT ????.Id say we need at least two
    goals to take to Portugal.We might aswell just tick over in the
    league,we wont win it,and as long as we dont get drawn into the
    relegation zone,I dont care.We should concentrate on the Cup
    competitions.
    
    Dave...

    
    Read that Valencia have made a "firm" approach for Nayim. Shreeves now
    wants to buy Barry Horne from Southampton for 750k - what a bloody joke
    from the principal joker at WHL. What does Shreeves think he's doing,
    also....how long will Venables allow this S*** to continue ??

    Barry Horne is an exceptionally talented midfielder... wonderfully
    gifted, and an excellent passer of the ball.
    Who is he anyway?? 8-)
    
    Does anyone know what's up with your flippin' Dial-A-Seat line????
    I've been trying to get through for a day and a half now, and it's
    permanently engaged!! Surely there can't be that many Spurs supporters
    out there... ;-)
    
    By the way, I just want to point out that I am NOT a Spurs supporter,
    but am being dragged along tomorrow night, by my girlfriend, who says
    she's going to educate me in the ways of football... ha ha!! 8-)
    I'm going to bl**dy miss the Liverpool match as well!!!
    
    Stew.

    
    Spurs 3  Fc Porto 1
    Lineker 2
    Durie
    
    A much better performance than Saturday,saw Spurs completley dominate
    the first half,and score one brilliant Goal,and one good tap
    in.Linekers first was superb,one touch football from half the team
    before Lineker controlled on his thigh to poke it home.
     I was dissapointed they scored,the substitute was aloowed to run to
    far without being challenged,although he did well at the end to hit the
    post,it fell kindly to the bandagfed men to score.
     Lineker scored again to give us a two goal lead to take to Portugal...
    It could be worse judging by other results last night involving English
    teams.

    Did anyone watch the synchophantic Welsby & Keegan fawning to Gary 'Oh
    he's such a nice boy' Lineker last night? Real puke-rendering stuff.

    Congratulations to all you Spurs fans. Well done. Hope your team stuffs
    them again in the return leg.
    
    JC

I think that the Arsenal-Spurs game is live on TV on the 1st December.

Post match reflections on the match V Porto, our first display deserved even 
more than 2-0. 

It seems that apart from our front two we are scared to shoot, perfectly 
illustrated by Stewart in the second half when the ball was laid square and he 
tried to flick it to Walsh rather than have a shot on goal.

Second half for me was more a case of Spurs letting the pressure off than 
Porto stepping up a gear, getting caught by a brilliant run but where the hell 
were the Tottenham challenges,it seems we have been unable to sustain over a 
game let alone a run of matches. I can also now remember what the std of 
refereeing was like. Very disappointing. It won't be easy but if we can at 
least defend as well as we have in the early games away from home we are in 
with a good chance, especially if our strikers can sneak a goal. 

Last thing, isnt Scott Houghton a fat B**tard. He looks like a weeble with 
legs, makes Gazza even at the start of his Spurs career look even slimsea like.


Antony  

	We couldn't believe the shape of Scott Houghton when he came on. 
	He didnt look the right shape for a professional footballer, but more
	the right shape for loads of McDonalds, ten pints of strong lager, 
	followed by a tub of lard. He turned the fullback two or three times 
	though didnt he. Looks certainly can be deceiving.

	F-reg.

I think the fullback was too busy laughing. Still it makes a change from the 
skinny boys we normally churn out a la Samways, Howells, Moran, Robson.

antony

    
    Young Houghton seems to be a very good prospect from what I saw of him.
    He is a very exciting player who isn't afraid to run at players and
    have a go. In my opinion, he is a more exciting player than that idiot,
    Waddle who must have Spurs laughing all the way to the bank.
    
        Cunno.
    
    

    Ha Ha Ha Ha ha !!!! 
    
    I'm still laughing and I've had the whole weekend to think about the 
    detail of that last note. 
    
    You've got to be pulling my chain.
    
    West Ham 2 Spurs 1 
    
    Well you could have guessed Mitchell was going to score the winner. I 
    think Spurs problem is that being so pumped up for Euro competition we 
    come to earth with a bang on the following Saturday.
    
    antony
    
    

    
    Another poor result,the only good thing about it was that Gary Lineker
    scored again,and he lost his temper....whatever next.
    
     Grimsby tomorrow night,I suppose eveyone is expecting a shock.I think
    we will win.Thats the shock.
     I wish Alan Sugar would look under his matress and find a spare couple
    of Million so we could buy a good defender.Only Gary Mabbutt is playing
    well.Another difficult game on Saturday..Sheff Wed away.I think I'll
    watch the Rugby.
    
    Dave...

    
    Lineker lost his rag ? Tell us more !

    
    Gary was involved in a heated arguement with West Ham's Mike Small
    after Gordon Durie was sent off.Small ran about 30 yards to get
    involved when Durie fouled Stuart Slater.Durie was booked earlier and
    it was a bad foul on Slater,and he deserved to go,but Small was out of
    order.Lineker accused Small of getting Durie sent off.There is alot of
    papaer talk today about the incident.
    
    Dave...

A good result from a tough away trip. TV highlights made it look like we 
soaked up a lot of pressure and Erik was in top form. Three good goals 
clinically taken from Howells, Lineker - number 17, Durie. 

I think our problem is that routine bread and butter league games prove 
difficult to motivate the players for 40 odd games a season when we 
realistically know we will not challenge for the league.

Most important is to get through to the next round of Europe. One good thing is 
that playing on Thursday will mean an extra day for players to rest after the 
weekends fixture.  

antony

     Could anyone tell me who Spurs are playing on 23rd November.
    
                                                  Dougie.

Spurs have been drawn to play Coventry away in the 4th rd of the Littlewoods 
cup. Game will be played probably on Wednesday 4th December, thanks a lot Saint 
and Greavsy!

Re last note : We play Sheffield Utd on the 23rd at Home. 

All attention to the game in Oporto Thursday evening KO 9.30pm. We must 
progress, I reckon 2-1 to Porto!

Antony

    
    
     Good point on Saturday at Sheff Wed...It stops the rot in the
    League,although we are getting to close to the relegation zone for my
    liking.A couple of wins will put that right.
     Oh well here we go....Thursday night in Portugal.It's going to be
    difficult,but I'm pretty confident of going through into the next
    round.Lets hope we can get a goal,and the defence can hold out.
    
    FC Porto 1  Spurs 1  ( I Hope)
    
    Dave...

I think Shreeves team for Porto should be :

				Thorsvedt 

				Mabbutt	
		Edinburgh			Van den Hauwe/Bergsson
						(One plays other Sub)
				Sedgeley

				Stewart
		Howells				Allen
				Samways
			Durie		Lineker

	Subs :

	Walker
	Walsh
	Van Den Hauwe/Bergsson
	Nayim
	Tuttle
	
I think the key is two fast full backs who can track their wide players, and 
two wide midfield players that can cover back, with Stewart operating deep and 
Samways in support of Lineker and Durie. We must not get too tied up at the 
back, if we can hold the first twenty minutes and then this will silence the 
crowd, frustrate Porto and then start to move forward and impose ourselves on 
the game. We could even start with Durie slightly deeper and he could push 
forward as necessary.

Antony
		

    
    
      I Wouldnt mind seeing Tuttle start,if he is fit.Although Bergsson
    will apparently keep his place according to the papers,as he played
    well at Hillsborough on Saturday coming on for Sedgley in centre of
    defence.
     I agree,we need to hold on for the first 20 mins or so,without
    conceding a goal.The longer Porto play without a goal the more
    desperate they will get and leave gaps at the back.....ENTER GARY
    LINEKER.
    
    Dave...

Durie is apparently looking doubtful for the game tonight. Live radio coverage
on Radio 5 between 10pm and midnight.

Lets hope we can keep the North London interst in the competition. It was 
heartbraking last night. Ha Ha Ha!! 

antony ...

    I think -1 said it best. Spurs must keep Porto from scoring early
    and just wait for them to get desperate. It would be foolish, I think,
    for Spurs to take needless chances in the attacking zone. 
    
    Porto is very capable of a 2:0 win at home against anybody in the 
    world and lets face it, Spurs are not exactly a power-house. My heart
    is with Spurs to advance but my money is on Porto.
    
    Prediction: 3:0 to Porto (AET)
    
    JC
    
    

    
    Did Porto not get a goal at White Hart Lane ?  If so, then 3:0 AET is
    just not possible, surely ...
    
    Ad.

    
No 3-0 after extra time is not possible. I see Cunno predicted Liverpool
to go through and Spurs, Arsenal and Man Utd to go out. He's right so
far but hopefully Spurs can really ruin his week.

    Sorry folks, I forgot about Porto's goal in the first leg. Just to
    repeat what I wrote in topic 46 before the Arse vs Benfica match:
    
    Last Sunday Porto played host to Benfica in a game that ended in a
    0:0 draw. It was by far the best game in the Portuguese league this
    year. Only excellent performances by both goalies(and an assist by the
    referee in Porto' favor) kept the game scoreless. As I said about
    Benfica I will say about Porto:
    
    If they can repeat their performance of last Sunday, Spurs will have
    to play the match of their life to escape from Antas with a ticket
    to the next round. I'll be watching on TV and since I'll be surrounded
    by Porto fans I'll have to keep my mouth shut. Inside, however, I'll
    be praying for Spurs, so should you. They'll need it.
    
    JC
    

I would not write Spurs off just yet. The advantage we have got is that Porto 
are chasing the game and whilst in this pursuit we could get the all important 
away goal. I must admit however, I am far from a comfortable feeling of the 
result. It's a shame the game is not live in the UK but yesterday evening's 
live game made up for that slightly, watching Mr Graham squirm. Lets hope he 
doesn't say that he's glad that they are out of this cup!

Come on the Lillywhites!

Antony

    
    	..trouble with you, Ferrari, you've got no confidence in your 
    	boys 8-)
    

    
    
       WHAT A RESULT.....
    
      Porto 0  Spurs 0
     
       Porto had 99% of the game,but with good defending and plenty of luck
    we held them out.I must admit,Porto had a good claim for a penalty
    refused,as the TV highlights showed.Mabbutt looked to have fouled the
    Bulgarian inside the box......but they turned the ref against them with
    constant diving,according to the radio commentry.I hate listenenig to
    games on the radio,expecially Capital Gold.They get so excited every
    time the opposition get in the Spurs half,never mind near the goal.
     
       Well pleased with all the lads....our name goes into the hat today.
    
    Dave...

Faith is a difficult qulaity in a Spurs supporter when you are asking him to 
believe they will defend against good Euro opposition, it's just not us. After 
saying that I'm proud of the result, we had a few very close calls but a great
battling performance.

antony  

    
    We have drawn Feyanord in the Quarter Finals.
    
    Ive been there before when we played them in the 83/84 UEFA cup,it was
    lively to say the least.
    
    Dave...

        
    Prepare for another ban.....
    
    There's a history of trouble between Tottenham and Feyenoord
    supporters. Tottenham fans rioted there in a game in about 1975, and
    there was more trouble at the game Dave mentioned in .110 (I think I
    remember a Tottenham supporter ended up on a life support system after
    the game).
    
    I've been to Feyenoord twice with Everton and there was a lot of
    trouble both times.
    
    The worst draw possible for English football.
    
    Paul

    
    Where is the first leg being played ?
     

I think the first leg is away!

antony

    
    I think its away first.
    
    Paul...the game in Rotterdam in 83/84 was outragous.We came out the
    ground and were just surrounded by Dutch with knives,clubs axes...thats
    no exageration.The Dutch police just stood and watched.I not
    joking...there must have been about 20 Spurs fans stabbed after the
    game.I not saying it was all the Dutch,because it want,but I couldnt
    believe the Police's attitude.On the Thursday morning after the game,we
    all used to meet at a pub in Rotterdam called the Double Diamond..I
    think...The police just rounded up every Spurs fan there and put us on
    a ship home.
      Still its all part of following an English club abroad I suppose
    :-):-):-)...
    
    Dave...

    I hope that there aren't any other teams palying anywhere 
    on the continent (whether it be Holland, Belgium, France 
    or even Italy !!) on March 3rd, cos' if there is I'm sure 
    UEFA will do the best and correct thing possible and 
    reverse the venues !!!!
    
    But away in the first leg is good news !!
    (so long as we're not too heavily stuffed)
    
    So long...Rob..
    

    
    I remember in 81 being in Rotterdam for Ireland v Holland in  a
    World Cup qualifier ( 2-2)...and we drank in the DOuble Diamond....
    and we had a great time....the Dutch were very reticent at first.
    The werent too friendly..but they eased up after a coupel of
    days drinking with us. When friendships were well established
    we asked them why they werent too friendly at first...the common
    reply we got was 'Spurs'...They said Spurs had wrecked their
    ground , starting fights in the city etc...
    
    Because we spoke English , they initially felt we were out to cause
    trouble....
    
    No doubt, Feyenoord fans were no angels...they did try to stir
    it up as we left the city after the match... 
    
    From recollection, they hate the very mention of the word 'SPURS'
    in that city. But things may have changed in recent years.
    
    Be safe..
    
    *Tiger* 
           

    
    Dave,                                         
    
    
    sounds similar to my experiences - 
    
    my first visit was for a pre-season  game in 1978 - not that long after
    the first Tottenham game - the Feyenoord mob (VAC S ?) tried to attack
    us at Rotterdam central station, but the police eventually stopped that
    by unleashing their dogs on us !!  Their boys found us again at the
    Double Diamond, if I remember rightly, it was only about a five minute
    walk from Rotterdam central station - the police eventually moved us
    out of the city centre...
    
    The second time was at a UEFA cup game in 1979, there was trouble all
    the time during the game and all the way back into Rotterdam on the
    trains, they eventually ambushed us outside central station in the
    bus/tram station.
    
    On a similar theme - I've still got a Feyenoord scarf which I
    'aqquired' in Rotterdam  - it's free to a good home, if there's anyone
    out there who collects scarves ?
    
    Paul
    

    Re a few back.   Someone said that a Spurs supporter was killed during
    the trip to see Feyenoord.  I thought it was the first leg of the final
    against Anderlecht, 'cos I went to the return game at WHL and there was
    a worry all over the media that the Spurs hooligans would try to get
    revenge. As it was we won the cup (just!) and all went home happy. 
    
    Stevo
    

rep last two

Yep, you are both right, Feyenoord fans just hate Spurs, they still are
in shock 'cause the last time Spurs played in Rotterdam their supporters
invaded VAK S, home of the naughty boys. 

If there are any of you guys who are thinking of going there just do it
buth watch you behind. I've been to Rotterdam lots of times as a Utrecht
supporter en believe me they hate us as much as Spurs, and I always managed
to come home safely and with some Rotterdam scalps on my belt ofcourse :-)


T_

    re-119
    
    Steve..
    
     Your right,a kid from Finsbury Park,Brian Flannagen,was shot in
    Belgium.It happened on the Tuesday night before the game,but its quiet
    possible that some one was seriously injured in Feyenoord,although I
    dont remember.
    
    Dave...

    I was at the Anderlecht-Spurs match in May (?) 1984 where the Spurs fan
    was shot. The game was on a Wednesday night, and this happened the
    night before in the "red light" area of Brussels, near the train
    station. 
    
    When the clock-radio woke me up that morning, I was still groggy and
    wasn't sure if I heard the news correctly. I bought the newspaper just 
    to make sure, and it speculated that it was a fellow Englishman who did 
    it. (it's always easier to blame them furriners) I didn't believe this,
    so I went with a friend up to the Gare du Nord area and we were talking 
    to some Spurs supporters. This was about 9:30 am, and some of these guys 
    were pretty plowed from drinking all night. One guy said that a fight 
    broke out in a bar, and the barkeep got out a gun and threatened them 
    to take it outside. Depending on who you believe, the gun went off 
    accidentally or the barkeeper shot the guy on purpose or in
    self-defence. I never found out whether or not the bartender went to jail 
    or how it was ruled.
    
    The whole situation was a mess, and police handled it badly. By this 
    time, the police were expecting the worst from English supporters, as 
    Anderlecht had beaten Forest in the semi finals, and there was some 
    trouble with English supporters setting a train on fire. There were also 
    problems with other English teams in Austria. 
    
    As much as this thing was out of control, it was nothing compared to
    what would happen a year later at Heysel.
    
    Tom                                  

    
     The Bar tender spent 6 months in jail for that,as it was classed as
    self defence.
    
      That night I was in Gar de nur(?),we went to a bar called the
    Scorpion,most of the bars were full with Spurs supporters,I remember
    alittle trouble breaking out so we went to another bar,just looking for
    a good drink.The group who were in the bar left to go to another
    bar,that was where Flannagen was shot.About 2 o'clock in the morning we
    were walking back to our hotel room back in the city centre.Flannagens
    best mate came and asked us if we had seen him,as he had there room
    keys.we didnt know anything about the shooting as we had left the
    bar.We said we had seen him early but hadnt seen him for about an hour.
      The next morning we went to the McDonalds,where most Spurs fans
    seemed to gather,and heard about the shooting.I couldnt believe it.I
    heard that they ran out the bar and the owner followed them out and
    just shot at them as the ran down the road.That was from somone who was
    in the bar when it all happened.He said a few glasses got smashed,but
    there wasnt any fighting,but the owner had trouble the night before,and
    just went off his head.
    
    Dave...

    Dave,
    
    The story about the bartender sounds chillingly famillair. I was
    talking with a group of 7 or 8 Spurs fans, and one guy swore he was 
    Flanagan's best mate. Another guy, who was a bit drunk was going on about 
    how the bartender just grabbed his gun, chased people into the street and
    started shooting at them. I dismissed the story as exagerated, considering 
    the guy's condition, and the natural anger and shock among Spurs
    supporters that day. After all these years, I find out that the story was 
    basically true?!?!
    
    Who knows, maybe we met at that time. If the guy really was Flanagan's
    friend, maybe this was part of your group. Small world.
    
    Tom       

This Spurs-Feyenoord thing all started back in 1974 when they played the
second leg of the UEFA final in Rotterdam. I was living over there at the
time and went to the match. Basically its a familiar tale of people (mostly
English regrettably) geting paralytically pissed for two days in the Double
Diamond, Big Ben etc and then strolling down to the ground for a nice quiet
game of football. There was trouble brewing (sic) right from the start and
when Feyenoord's second goal (Wim Jansen?) went in the Spurs fans ripped out
the seats and chucked them down on mostly Dutch heads, result pandemonium.

The Dutch fans were no angels even then but I don't think they (or certainly
the police) were quite used to that sort of thing happening. It would be
crass to suggest that's what led to the Dutch acquiring their subsequent
reputation but it certainly sowed the seeds of the Spurs-Feyenoord thing.

Spurs fans, Feyenoord fans, PLEEEEASE stay cool for all our sakes.

Bob
 

rep -1

Bob,

well you spelled Wim Jansen allright and yes I also think he scored the goal,
I saw everything on TV as a kid (11 years old) and I still remember it like
yesterday, about Ducth hoolaganism (SP?), what can I say, yes it was already
here before 1974 but it extended heavily after that match, with Feyenoord
and Utrecht as the real bad boys.

Don't worry too much about Feyenoord fans 'cause they are not in this conference
at least not active, come to think of it it seems that I'm the only active
Dutchie around here and I support the big U's.

T_

V Luton 16th November.

Anyone with team news for tomorrow's game. I don't know if Stewart has 
recovered from his knock V Porto. 

This must be a three point banker, but stranger things have happened at THFC.

Antony

	Yeh, Like winning the F.A. Cup :-)))))



	Mick.

    Gary Lineker has been talking to a JAPANESE first division side,
    about a possible move at the end of the season. The team in question
    are sponsored by Toyota.

SPURS 4 LUTON 1

Well the strange thing nearly happened, we were sloppy all first half and first 
ten of second half. A bad back pass let Luton in and then salvation occured when 
the floodlights went out. The substitution of Howells and Allen to Nayim and 
Houghton sparked the revival and we mullered them. The team looked lethargic 
and  lacking in ideas and I believe this is a direct result of too many games. 
The games with the likes of Luton fails to inspire both players and supporters 
alike. 

The Lineker thing, well I think it's a bonus we've kept him as long as we have. 
It's not bad business with us getting our money back and Lineker getting one 
hell of a final pay day. He has slammed the current league set up and number of 
teams in the league, 

I think it is the right decision all round as for him and for England it gives 
time to plan prior to the World cup. I also believe the Durie transfer was made 
on the understanding that Lineker was off soon, and money would be recouped.

I also read we are interested in a Brazilian Mauro de Silva (Sweeper) we need 
him based on Saturday. (INFORMATION ANYONE)

Antony

    Re-1
    
       Not that strange when you see the money they are offering Lineker.
    
    
      A good way to get the points,turn the lights off have a quick team
    meeting come back and hammer them.Another two for Gary Lineker,thats 19
    for the season,and he is apparently after Clive Allens 49 goal record.I
    didnt attend the game on Saturday,but apparently Spurs were p*ss poor
    for an hour,and brilliant for the last half hour.
      Sheff Utd at the Lane on Saturday.
    
    Dave...

    Anyone fancy a "meet" for the Sheffield game on Saturday ? Having seen
    them lose 5-2 to the Arse this season I'm game for a laugh !

    Dave,
       Make sure if you meet em you bring plenty of dosh for the meter.
    They'll try that lights out one again.
    
    Mind you what an example from one of the BIG 5. A couple of seasons a
    go the could'nt get the ground ready in time now they don't even check
    the meter before the game.
    
    Regards,
    
    Barry.

    Luton have them beaten at 1-0, the lights go out, and spurs go on
    to win 4-1 .... they must feed those donkeys on carrots ;-)

    Mind you Spurs must be used to it now. After all they have been in the
    dark for ages now.
    
    
    Barry.

    Dave...
    
       At the moment I'm going Saturday,but I might have to work,I'm not
    sure yet.If I go I'll meet you for a Light Ale.
    
    Dave...

Dave,

I'll be going with Dave too,

Cheers

Dave

Calling Dave Wilson... 

Having sent you a mail regarding Saturdays game I received the following
reply from ALL-IN-1.

  "Please direct any mail for David Wilson,the Purchasing Manager to David
   G Wilson.Mail directed to my self should be sent to David P Wilson."

Which Wilson is which ? The public have a right to know.

Dave

    Well,Iam not the purchasing manager,thats David G Wilson.....we get
    each others mail and phone calls all the time...I got your mail Dave.
    
    Dave...

Lineker's future will be publicly announced at a press conference this 
lunchtime by T Venables.

Antony

    Ok Dave, I know where the Milford is.

    re. lineker
    
    place your bets on garys future, guys.
    ill have a tenner on him joining Barnsley for 2 million + Gerry Taggart
    in a sensational swap deal!
    :-)
    
    or maybe not...
    
    Ian.
    

    Just heard the news on radio 5, Lineker is to leave Spurs at the end of
    the season for around 1 million. He has signed a two yer deal with the
    Japanese.
    
    At least we have had a couple of good years out of him but who will
    replace him now?
    
    Paul

    
    Will there be money available to buy a good striker ?????,I hope so.
      Durie looks good alongside Lineker but I dont think we can rely on 20+
   goals a season.He never managed it a Chelsea.Maybe Alan Shearer "IF" he is
    still available in the Summer,and we can afford him.
    
    Lets hope Gary Lineker goes out scoring plenty of goals.
    
    Dave...

    Are you on for tommorrow Dave ? ETA at Milford if so.

    
      Iam going Dave,I will be in the Milford at about 1:30ish,as far as I
    know.I havent sorted things out yet,and wont be able to until tonight
    but Iam going,and will at some point be in the Milford.
    
    Dave...

    Dave (and Dave and Dave), I wont be there, have to go down west country
    instead, DEC 21st still on at present.
    
    Tony 'awe_old_scrumpy_and_pastys'

    "Tottenham Three", a name given to a group of people alleged to
    have killed a policeman in a riot a few years ago.  Not to be confused
    with the name of that well-known football team as given out in the
    soccer results on Saturday afternoons...
    
    
    
    "Tottenham Nil"
    
    Stevo
    

    
      Well what a suprise......Sheffield United havent won an away game all
    season,then they play at Spurs.Spurs seemed to dominate the first
    half,but United looked dangerous on the break,and they were.The goal
    should have been cleared,but it wasnt and they won.Spurs had
    chances,Nayim was through in the second half,but didnt even hit the
    target.There goalkeeper played well,but Spurs were sh*t overall.
    
     Still we'll probably beat Arsenal next week.
    
    Dave...

    Sorry Dave, we missed you in the Milford. Din't arrive until about
    2:45.

    Dave..
       Did you get my mail ??
    
    Dave...

    Nope.

Spurs finances in the news again. We apparently defaulted on an installment for 
Durie to Chelsea and they have taken us to the FA, this has been since paid. We 
have also not yet agreed with Lazio to let have Gascoigne's transfer fee yet. 
Sugar is reported to say that the important date is next summer when the bank 
will be reviewing our finances. We will get more up to date details on the 
finances in December when the shareholders receive info and the proposal for 
refinancing is released..

antony 

    
    	Antony, what a shambles...

    I'd just like to take this opportunity to wish Tottenham the very best
    of luck on Sunday, when they play Arsenal.
    
    I hope they trash the whingers!!
    
    Stew.
    

    
       Gary Lineker's Son is seriously ill in Hospital,lets hope he
    recovers soon.
    
       Lineker has been told to forget about THFC until things get better.
    
     Dave...
    
      

I hope he recovers. Is that the child he had recently??

		Mick

    Yep - George Lineker (8 weeks) is serously ill in Gt Ormond St
    Hospital. Not a happy time for Mum & Dad.
    
    jb.
    

    
    	Good luck to Gary and Michelle....hope it works out for the Lineker
    	family.
    
    	Andy.

    Terry Fenwick is apparently in the squad (car?) for Sunday. If he plays
    you might as well not turn up. 
    

    
>>    Terry Fenwick is apparently in the squad (car?) for Sunday. If he plays
>>    you might as well not turn up. 
    
    
    Barry,
    
    He probably just wants to compare experiences with 'Donkey'
    
    Rob ;-)

    
    Gary Linekar's eight week old son George has been diagnosed as having
    acute Leukemia and will start chemotherapy in a couple of days time.
    Let's hope the young child gets better.
    
         Cunno

    
    	Tragic. And unfortunately very-young Lineker is not alone in his
    	suffering....8-( my wife's gonna be mighty upset when she hears it
    	on the news tonight....
    
    	Andy.

    Mine too. Me, my wife, and my healthy 4 month old daughter send young
    George all of our best wishes.
    
    Sadly,
    Wayne

    
    
       What can you say,we were completley outplayed by the Arse
    yesterday,and lost 2-0.We didnt even manage a shot on target.Durie was
    left upfront on his own,and the midfield wer'nt able to get up and
    support him due to the fact they spent the whole game defending.I was
    dissapointed to say the least with the performance.
    
     We need to improve,alot.Coventry,away in the Rumbelows on Wednesday.
     
     I'll be there.
    
    Dave...

    >           -< The idiots get a result,but we still won 3-1 >-
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    What have the Tottenham directors done now?
    

    Spurs full financial figures are released Friday. It's also the date
    TV/AS publish their plan for extra financing for the club. Lets hope
    it's good. 
    
    Littlewoods 4th rd : Coventry tomorrow, difficult.
                         
    Who are Arsenal playing, Oh yes they're concentrating on Europe !!
    
    Antony 

    Any news of how we played last night ??
    
    Must have been better than on Sunday though.
    
    Read yesterday that Steve Sedgley has demanded a transfer, can anyone
    confirm ?
    
    Cheers...Rob

    
    
    
    
    
    
    Coventry 1 Spurs 2
    
    Great result, nearly fell off my seat when I heard the result,
    especially as highfield road has been a bit of a bogey ground for us. 
    From newspaper reports we played intelligently, and Thorsvedt was on 
    a couple of occasions outstanding. I saw the first goal from Allen, a
    real belter.
    
    Yes Sedgeley has been transfer listed. I think it is mainly down to
    Shreeves, shame in a way as I think Sedgeley not a bad player, better
    than Fenwick anyway. We are also looking to buy Ahrik Tsveiba - a full 
    back with Dynamo Kiev, I think with the mind that Van Den Hauwe and
    Fenwick are in the end stages of the careers.
    
    When's the draw?
       
    Antony
    
    
                                               
    
     

    RE>> We are also looking to buy Ahrik Tsveiba -
    
    >>>>>>> WHO IS HE ??
    >>>>>>> CAN WE AFFORD HIM ??
    
    By last nights result I take that Shreeves actually told the players to
    move in a forward motion, towards the the "less familiar" keeper,
    struth....wonders will never cease !!
    
    Shame about Sedgley...at 23 he is the type of player we should be
    trying to keep, Shreeves on the other hand is well past it.(I my humble
    opinion....)
    
    Cheers
    Rob
    

Today's Sun says that the Russian is coming to Spurs for a weeks trial on Dec 
13th. He is meant to be one of the country's rising stars and one of the reasons 
for their qualification for the Euro championship. He apparently has had a lot 
of interest from Italy but desperately wants to play in England. It also said we 
have had another Russian over earlier this season but after a week's trial we 
were not interested. Spurs believe that this lad is a solution to our defensive
problems, Hmm - heard that one before. 

Today is also the day for the end of year results and Sugar and Venables share 
proposal. Sugar is personally underwriting the deal, which if no shares are 
taken up would mean he owned 50% of the company with Vegetables a minority 
shareholder with 21%. 

Vegetables has also gone on record as saying the sale of Gascoigne is now not 
essential to our survival. I think though even after all the rubbish printed 
over the last few months Gazza will be fit and off to Italy this after the 
season ends.

We MUST WIN tomorrow

antony 

Well Friday's announcements have come and gone. Sugar is putting up most of the 
money to re-finance Spurs, and is underwriting both the share issue and Gazza's 
transfer. If the full re-finance is not taken out it will cost in the region of 
6 million quid. I also read that in an interview with a satellite TV station the 
admin Mgr of Lazio said that interest in Gascoigne was cooling and they would 
now rather buy another german to link with the two they have already. The target 
deadline for all this activity is next summer. I think we will see a lot of 
changes then.

A win at home Saturday, amazing, now up to Leeds saturday. Then Scousers at 
home on the TV.

antony

    Can anyone elaborate on the insurance policy Spurs took out over the
    sale of Gazza? From what I understand THFC are covered should the deal
    collapse. Whether this is for the whole sum I can't say. So Spurs could 
    quite well hold onto Gazza should this happen and still bank a few
    million. Sounds a bit too easy, where's the catch?
    
    Barry.
     

I thought that the insurance was in case his injury made Gazza miss the 
deadline.

???

antony

    
    
       I attended the Coventry match,it was a good performance in the first
    half,Spurs dominated it.After the break Coventry were all over us,and
    deserved to equalise and only some brilliant goalkeeping from the
    Viking prevented them scoring more.
     It was my first experience of an Executive Box,and I wasnt overally
    impressed.It's just like watching on TV.There's no atmoshere in them.
     As I was staying in the midlands,I got back to see the two clowns
    Greaves and Newbon on Central Sports Special,I pity any noters who
    have to put up with those two fools every week.
    
      3 needed points on Saturday thank's to Mabbs.Leeds on Saturday,er...
    it could be difficult.
    
      Villa and Norwich in the FA Cup and Rumbelows.While the two United's
    go on about wining everything in sight,we'll just creep up and nick the
    Cups off them.
    
    Dave... 

    
    
       Good point on Saturday,I didnt go but those jolly good fellows at
    Capital Gold gave us the whole game from Elland Road.It seemed like we
    spent most of the game under pressure,but caused Leeds plenty of
    problems with breakaways.Leeds will see it as two points dropped,but we
    have a good record up there.
      A couple of injuries,Durie(Hamstring)and Stewart(Groin) could both
    miss the visit of Liverpool on Wednesday.Lineker looks like comimg
    back.
    
    Dave...

    
>    teams keeping it on the floor,but we let them have TOO much space.

     Spurs need a couple of midfielders to take the pressure off Stewart.
     I didn't think Howells or Allen contributed much. 
     I'd love to have seen the look on St.John's face when Stewart got
     man of the match.

    can anyone give the scores of the last 2 or 3 matches (boxing day to
    new years day) please. We don't get much here in the south of france.
    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    Stevo.
    

	26-Dec-1991	Spurs 1 Nottingham Forest 2
	28-Dec-1991	Spurs 3 Norwich 0
	01-Jan-1991	Coventry 1 Spurs 2

    
      Overall,a good Xmas and New Year with wins over Palace(2-1),Norwich
     (3-0) and Coventry(2-1).The only lapse was against Forest on Boxing
    Day when we lost 2-1.We were awfull in the first half,but came out for
    the second much better,and had chances to win it.Until Pearce scored
    his special in injury time.
      Good draw at Villa Park yesterday,although our home form hasnt been
    good,so there's no guarantee the Replay will be to Spurs advantage.I
    thought we should have won.Villa had most of the possesion,but only
    made one chance.Walsh should have scored and I think we had a pretty
    good case for a Penalty.
     
      Norwich on Wednesday,Durie is fit and should return,although Walsh
    has played really well,and doesnt deserve to be dropped for Durie.
    
     I havent heard anymore on the Russian,he apparently had a trial before
    Xmas,no news since.Paul Gascoigne is back in training,he was shown
    running with the team and was interviewed on SKY Soccer Weekend on
    Friday,he hopes to be back in March,and he seemed to be talking about
    playing for Spurs,who knows what going on with his on/off transfer to
    Lazio.I for one hope it collapses and he stays at WHL.
    
      Back to the League on Saturday,and Chelsea at the Bridge.
    
    Dave...

    
    
    good picture on the front of the Daily Star today showing Gazza
    pinching some young girls bum, as he walked to the bench yesterday
    against villa.
    
    
    mind she was about his age group(about 17/18)!!!!
    
    
    Mac

Well, I think a big thank you to Wrexham, and it was on Match of the day!!!

I think that Spurs are showing good signs of improvement. I think we have a good 
chance of progress in the Rumbelows, the FA replay will be more difficult as 
Aston Villa are a good side but I think the hunger to hold onto the cup will 
carry us thru. 

Lets hope we steer clear of injuries.

Some potential targets are :

Darren Anderton of Portsmouth - Winger
Mark Pembridge of Luton - Midfield
Robert Fleck of Norwich - Central striker 
Andy Sinton of QPR - Winger/midfield

Antony

    
       I'm looking foward to tonights game,it should be good,I dint go to
    the Spurs/Norwich game over Xmas,a good 3-0 win.Both teams play good
    football and we have a good record against Norwich lately.Gary Lineker
    usually scores against them.I think it will be close tonight,but
    hopefully we will sneak through into the semi's.
    
       Spurs are 12/1 for the FA Cup,well worth a flutter.
    
       Anthony,dont you think it's strange that there are no defenders
    in that list Re-1.I think a defender is top priority at the moment.
    
    Dave...

    
       Good result against Norwich,another day out at Wembley looms.I dont
     care who we get,we are capable of beating anyone on our day.Norwich
    must be dissapointed they played really well,probably the best I have
    ever seen them,but it still wasnt enough.The must hate Lineker.
    
       He is out of the Game at the bridge tommorrow,which means Durie comes
     in to partner Walsh.We never do very well against Chelsea,I settlr for
    a draw.
    
    Dave...

Semi final draw will mean we play one of the above teams, first leg away. I 
think this game will be the live TV encounter. 

Disapointing result v Chelsea 2-0, the old adage still reamins true, I think Mr 
Allen will come back to haunt us again I'm sure. 

Lineker is reported to be OK to play in the cup tomorrow night. I think it's 
going to be hard but I think we can raise our game to beat them. We must though
sustain this level of play always, not just the one off's.

I would like to see Lineker, Durie and Walsh all included to give plenty of 
attacking options.

antony

    
      I agree about Walsh,He should keep his place at the expense of Nayim.
    As usual we lost to Chelsea,We all know the League's out of the
    question,but we need to show more commitmant in league Games.
    
    Dave...

>>    We all know the League's out of the question,
>>    but we need to show more commitment in league Games.
                                      ^ 
                            
      Well said that Man, too bloody right (excuse my french) I wasted
      a very good saturday afternoon watching that thripe at the bridge.
      The Totts played as if they were giving up midstream on the league.
      If they keep playing as they did on saturday they could pass Luton
      on the way down to Div 2.   


      At least I grabbed 40 winks around 4-30pm otherwise I would be
      full of remorse all weekend !!!


      BTW why do the terraces at both ends of the bridge seem derelict
      It looked as if the two ends were sectioned off or under construction.

Rgds,
Shaughs.

    Spurs 0 Villa 1
    
    This was live on BSB, and Villa were worth their 1-0 (could have been
    more) win. Spurs had only 1 good chance, by that nice Mr Lineker chap.
    Dwight Yorke got the goal on 11 (some say it was an Allen own goal, but
    I reckoned Yorke had more to do with it). I gave Daley the MotM, his
    tricky darting runs put the Spurs defence in a tizzy at times. Spurs
    lost the ball too much, by being tackled on the ball and passing
    poorly. They will have to play much better to win anything this season.
    
    jb.

    Any news on the Russian full back who had the trial at WHL over
    Christmas ?
    
    

    
      We lost to Villa,who deserved to progress no question.It was one of
    the err...not so good Spurs performances of the season.Basically we
    were Sh*t.
      The Viking was back to his worst,and apart from Mabbutt,the defence
    were a joke.Fenwick,Van Den Hauwe and Sedgley should be out,although
    Sedgley isnt a real Centre Back.Vinny Samways is going backwards after
    a promising start to the season.We need some new blood,at the end of
    the season.
    
      Still its not over yet,we're still in two cups.
    
       Re.193
           Your right,we will need to improve to win something,but our
    players no what it takes,but if we dont,we dont,we wont be the only
    team not to win anything after a promising start,I mean what about
    Leeds ???
    
    Dave...

    Group 1
    -------
    SWEDEN
    FRANCE
    YUGOSLAVIA
    ENGLAND
    
    Group 2
    -------
    HOLLAND
    SCOTLAND
    CIS (Commonwealth of Independant States)
    GERMANY
    
    
    Stew.
    

    
    Your seriously in the running for Note ..if not Noter of the season
    award Stewart :^))))
    
    
    Chris

Spurs 1 Southampton 2 - Southampton were bottom before kick off!!

Anyone see this? Were we as bad as we were against Villa? 

	Ian

    Well, I think this probably leaves us to concentrate on the two cup
    competitions we're left in then :-)
    
    Stevo
    

    
      Yeah.....but we better score about 5 in the away leg to be sure of
    going through.Our home form is a joke.
    
    Dave...

    
      Spurs play Oldham tomorrow,we really could do with a home win.
    There could be goals galore with both side's not having the best
    defences in the world.
    
    dave...

    You were right Simon - 0-0 !!!!!
    
    However the good news is that the 20 year Ian Walker got his big chance
    in goal, and played brilliantly (according to the papers).
    
    The boy done great!
    

    
    Well,a point at home.Its getting better.I didnt go,but Spurs were
    apparently thwarted by bad finishing and good goal keeping.Although
    Oldham had a couple of chances of there own.
    
     Could this be the end of the Viking ???
    
     Man City,away on Saturday.We are better away from home and could
    really do with a confidence boosting win.The cup games arent far away
    now.We need to start putting some decent results together.
    
    Dave...

Apparently the Russian defender has not arrived at Spurs yet due to a bad case 
of Chicken Pox. I agree with you Dave, Vasquez is a good player. I also believe 
that the Portsmouth player Anderton is now a key target, Bill Nick has been down 
to Fratton several times this season. I think there are still bargians to be had 
in the former Eastern bloc. Also I was surprised to see no Tottenham or English 
representatives at the African cup tournament, or so the papers said. 

There was also a story linking Durie with Rangers.

I think there is going to be quite a wholesale change at the end of the season 
to the team. Mabbut is not getting younger, as is the case with Fenwick and Van 
den Hauwe. I think Nayim will go along with Walsh and of course Gazza and 
Lineker. I also think Erik might go as it seems the mgmt rate very highly young 
Walker and could get good money for Erik at the moment. We also seem to shed a 
few reserve players each year who usually come back and bite us on the bum.

Key targets for spending include a good central defender, someone to dictate our 
midfield, and a man up front. Candidates include,  for a defender I like the 
look of Oldhams Earl Barrett, in midfield Vasquez is good(not convinced we could  
afford him) and the lad from Luton, Pembroke is meant to be very promising. Up 
front I always thought Nigel Clough could fit in very well, or Fleck of Norwich 
- not sure how old he is.

Any thoughts.

antony 

    
    The lad from Luton is better known by the name of Pembridge, I believe.

Thanks for the info.

antony

Tonight's qtr final between Palace and Forest at the City ground will determine 
our semi final opponents. If Forest win the first leg is sunday live on the 
television, if Palace win then the first leg is next Wednesday. 

First leg away.

antony  

    The football shown on TV last night was excellent, it says a lot for
    the health of the game in the UK.
    
    Karl Saunders of Bristol Rovers was really impressive. Now, wouldn't he
    look good in a Tottenham shirt?
    

    Did anything become of the talk that we were after Alan Shearer of
    Southampton. I think I'd prefer him to Cottee really at the moment.
    
    Stevo
    

    
    Forest 1  Spurs 1
              Lineker  pen
    
    Not a bad result,but now comes the hard part,beating them at home.We
    spent most of the game under pressure,and coped well without Mabbs.The
    second leg is three days before Feyanoord,so it will be the most
    important week of the season.
    
    Dave...

    
    
    ...Forest were robbed.   TV cameras proved without doubt that both
    Forest goals which were chopped off were NOT offside.  The linesman
    should get his jotters.
    
    ...And Spurs' penalty award was very dubious....but Lineker's execution
    was pure class.
    
    
    Michael
    

    
    
                     HOW MUCH DID YOU PAY THE REF AND LINESMEN.
                    

    I agree, the slow-mo replays showed both Forest offside decisions to be
    inaccurate, the first one was definately behind the Spurs player, the
    second was in-line, which is onside by today's rules.  Paul Allen
    swears he didn't dive for the penalty. Maybe not, but he made a meal of
    it anyway.  
    
    We was lucky to get away with the draw IMHO.
    
    Stevo.

Reports on the radio and papers say that Spurs have announced half year profits 
which now mean we are back in the black. This I do not believe takes into 
account the Gascoigne transfer deal. 

I believe there is a Swedish international central defender at Spurs this week 
on trial, apparently he is very highly rated and getting him signed before the 
Euro Championships could be wise.

Now to get February out of the way and get into the crucial month of March with 
both League cup semi 2nd leg and the Euro qtr final legs to play.

antony


 

    Re .219
    
    Surely you don't mean Glenn Hysen !

Well I certainly don't understand it. We have a reasonably good team and 
although I don't expect to be at the top of the league I just can't see 
how we allow our players to get away with just a total non effort. It seems 
that Shreeves is going to take the blame but I do not think it is his fault 
totally as we did the same thing last year with Tel. 

There is inevitably going to be Newspaper pressure to get rid of Shreeves and 
get Ardiles and I believe that getting him on the coaching side would be good, 
but to get rid of Shreeves after one season would show a certain amount of 
panic by Venables when I think the problem is lack of players who want to win 
every game they play in.

What is the Gray situation, he would certainly beef up our midfield. It seems we 
will lose Durie although to a certain extent this has been refuted in the papers 
today. I think we will see large changes in personnel this summer.

Anyway at least the players can't not motivate themselves for the next few games

Arsenal  Home.
Forest   Home.
Feyenord Away.

antony

    What does anyone think of us getting Andy Gray ??
    
    Is he the type of player that we want ?? 
    
    Any views from anyone....
    
    

    
    Very dissapointing result on Saturday.We should have hammered them,as
    we should have done last season at home.Gary Lineker seems to forget
    where the goal is against Arsenal at home,he missed two sitters.Another
    one-on-one with the keeper,he had a couple of them last season.Seamen 
    always does well,and he also managed to shoot over from 5 yards.
      Paul Stewart was brilliant,and scored a simple header when the Arse
     forgot to mark him,Wright equalised when Mabbutt messed up a through
    Ball,Camble forced a save from Eric,and Wright turned it in....In the
    90th minute.
    
      Still...we didnt lose.Forest on Sunday,then its off to Feyanoord.
    The most important week of the season.Another committed performance
    like Saturdays will see us beat Forest.Feyanoord are second in
    Holland,who knows how good they are.I fancy our chances.
    
      Andy Gray...I wait until I get to see him,to pass judgement.
    
    Dave...

    Doesn't Johnny Metgod (sp?) play for Feyenoord ??

      <<< Note 45.225 by SUBURB::SEARCHR "HOLSTEN PILS:==LENS HOT LIPS" >>>
                               -< Johnny Boy... >-

>>    Doesn't Johnny Metgod (sp?) play for Feyenoord ??


Yep he does, he's the team captain.


T_

    
    He loked like he was pushing on a bit even when he was at Notts
    Forrest!, do they wheel him around or wot?
    
    Tony

    Did anybody who went on Saturday notice Gazza on the pitch before kick
    off?
    
    From where I was sitting he appears still to be hobbling badly. I know
    he was able to kick a ball but I don't think he has a cat in hells
    chance of playing again for Spurs. He certainly didn't appear to be
    able to change direction too easily when running. I wouldn't be
    suprised if he doesn't pass the Lazio medical in May.
    
    Also read somewhere Keith Curle is looking to move south at the end of
    the season and we are supposed to be showing interest. I now the Man
    City supporter and he rates him quite highly. 
    
    Paul.

    He definatly still seems to be limping,although all reports say he
    should be fit well before the deadline.Hopefully he will be fit soon.
    
     I see Andy Gray played for Spurs reserves yesterday,they lost 3-0 to 
    Watford.
    
     Spurs are linked with everyone at the moment.Lets hope we can pick up
    some good defenders in the summerthen we can get rid of Terry Fenwick
    and pat Van Den Hauwe.
    
    dave...

    re .229
    
    So you reckon Howells & Sedgley are worth keeping, or not as bad as the
    others?
    

    
    
    What are spurs fans opinions about your senor Nayim.
    
    From what I saw on the TV yesterday, all he tries to do is get someone
    sent off.
    
    In two instances(can't remember exactly who with) he clasped his head
    as if he had been struck there. When he see the ref not looking his
    arms drop and he carries on, his diving with a forward roll, and all
    including the triple salco routine, would have win a few medals at this
    summers olympics. 
    
    Take nothing away from him, he runs at defences, albeit to much, and
    has quite a powerful shot, but this other side is not necessary.
    
    A question. 
    Where did Nayim come from, I know he is of Spanish origin, but who has
    he played for.
    
    Mac

    Nayim came over with Lineker from Barcelona for the beginning of
    the 88-89 season; good move considering he was destined for the 
    reserves at Barca. That's all I know. 
    
     

    
     Well,the first game of the most important week of the season has
    gone,and we are out of the Rumbelows.It was a good game in terrible
    conditions,but Forest lasted the course better.They always looked
    dangerous around the box.There passing and movement is excellent.Both
    teams had spells of dominating,but Forest came on much stronger in
    extra time.We didnt play badly,and were just beaten by the better side
    on the day.
      Paul Stewart had another excellent game,as did Durie,its a shame he
    doesnt want to stay in England.
    
     Feyanoord on Wednesday,it should be a good game.Hopefully we can get
    an away goal.Only 2000 tickets for Spurs fans.There could be alot of
    ticketless fans travelling.
    
     Nayim comes from an Isalnd off Morraco I think,but it is owned by
    Spain.He does dive about,it makes me sick.
    
    Re-2
       Howells and Sedgley are playing out of position,Howells is much
    better in midfield,and Sedgley wasnt bought as a defender.Howells
    played just infront of the back four yesterday,but I expect Vinny
    Samways will come back for Wednesday night.
    
    Dave...

    Could you post the score/scorers please for the Spurs/Forest game
    yesterday.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Stevo
    

    
    In conjunction with note .231...
    
    Did Nayim go to school with Hughes and Klinsman ???
    
    Gary...

    Re-2
    
      Spurs 1   N Forest 2
      Lineker   Crosby (?)
                Keane
    
    Dave...

           <<< Note 45.235 by PLUNDR::LOWEG "Don't believe a word" >>>
                     -< Now there's a question for you ?? >-

    
>    In conjunction with note .231...
    
>    Did Nayim go to school with Hughes


You have taken the words right out of my mouth. But what particulary upset
me about Nayim, was his incessant fouling, and I feel he should have been
booked before the first forty-five minutes were up.

Stuart

    Re Nayim,
       
    
    Apart from fouling and diving all over the place in the mud. 
    
    He also used his brain and decided to stand in front of the ball at
    free kicks to stop Forrest taking a quick one.
    
    I reckon players should be cautioned for that.
    
    Regs.
    
    Barry.
    

From CEEFAX:

The good news is that Gary Lineker will play this evening.

The bad news is so will Fenwick ;-)

If Spurs can play the way they showed in patches on Sunday, they could get a
result tonight, and hopefully they won't be playing in such a mud bath of a
pitch.

Best of Luck this evening, I've a feeling you're going to need it.

Al

    
    	Good luck to your boys tonite, Ant.....they're going to need
    	it I think!
    
    	If Spurs can get out of Holland with only a one-goal deficit
    	then they have a chance.
    
    	Andy.

    
    good luck to you tonight, lets hope we get at least one team into the
    final.
    
    Ian.
    

    Well hands up who actually watched the whole game on the telly without
    switching to watch an infinitely better game on BBC1. It definitely
    seems to be the Spurs gift week with a Final place given to Forest and a
    real howler of a goal to Feyenoord. To make this second gift even more 
    difficult to swallow I could not see them getting a goal on their own. 
    The balance to this is I feel that they are, even giving them playing 
    at their best, only distinctly average and we should be well capable of 
    taking the tie. I suppose it adds a few bods on seats or stands at WHL 
    in a fortnight.    
    
    I do not see the bookings of Fenwick and Van den Hauwe as any real
    problem for us as to be honest from all accounts their tactics will be
    exclusively designed to defence, plus the fact their attack looks so 
    average anyway.
    
    I believe that Andy Gray will be available for selection for the return
    so that adds to Peter Shreeves options.               
    
    It is still within our grasp.
    
    antony     	

    
    
    Allen made a fatal mistake but I didn't see the keeper shouting
    at him to leave it. As a defender its easy to do if you are unsure
    of whats happening behind you. It helps if someone shouts at you
    with the situation.
    
    I thought the ref had a good game and I like his decision for the 
    game to play on when the feyenoord player handballed quite accidently.
    It was there for all to see but it was ball to hand.
    
    Spurs have their work cut out for them on the return leg at home and
    I don't think it will be easy for them on their current home form. 
    They must win by at least two goals.
    
    JN.

    RE: .244
    	
    "It definitely seems to be the Spurs gift week with a Final place given
    to Forest".....
    	
    this comment is nearly as pathetic as watching Spurs "play"...
    Spurs were well and truly beaten on Sunday and were it not for some
    ludicrous marshalling in the first leg at The City Ground the score
    that day should have been 3-0!!!!!!!!!
    
    

    RE: .246
    
    Hey! Come on - football is a game of mistakes, if there weren't any
    mistakes then there wouldn't be any goals! Every good team I've ever
    seen have on the odd occasion committed the odd faux-pas, it's just
    this has been a good week for them by Spurs!
    
    As for "as pathetic as watching Spurs "play"" I can only assume that
    you mean yourself as the watcher. Seriously though, it takes 2 to
    Tango and it takes 2 teams to make an entertaining game. The pundits
    all rated the Spurs/Forest game as first class value for money - I
    wouldn't disagree!
    
    Spurs/Forest usually produce a good game, how well I remember the 1991
    FA Cup final (I was there), but that's another story...............
    

    
    Read that Venables had put a 2million price tag on Samways...a bit
    hopefull even though he only signed a long-term contract last year.
    
    - Have got to win tonight, if not then its going to be a hard couple of
    months to stay up.
    
    Luton 1...Spurs 3.......I hope !!

    Another stunning result last night,0-0 with Luton.We are being dragged
    into trouble,and need to put some results together on the hurry up.
    
       Yep,Vinny Samways is the latest player who wants to get away.Peter
    Shreeves days will be numbered if we go out next week.I that wont be a
    bad thing IMO.
    
    Dave...

    
    Spurs in the second division ??? It just doesn't seem possible.
    
    I'm not surprised that Vinny wants to leave. Since when do you 
    drop a player 'cos the pitch is not suitable for his playing
    skills.?? I only recall Gazza being dropped for one game and that
    was for England against Ireland last year in Dublin. His skills
    weren't suited to the way the Irish team play. Rubbish.
    
    I'll accept that there is a difference between Gazza and Samways
    but the lad is good and he is still young (23?). Forest would be
    a good move for him.
    
    Talking of Gazza, any news on his fitness ?
    
    JN.

    
    Re-1
    
      It doesnt look like Gazza will play for Spurs again.It still isnt
    clear if he will pass the medical to join Lazio next season.He needs to
    be at full fitness by May 31,but unless he gets some first team games
    in he might not pass it.I hope he doesnt and stay's at the Lane.
    
    Dave...

Do Lazio still want Gazza for next year? It seems that the guy they got instead 
of Gazza, Thomas Doll, is doing pretty well...

Tom

    Don't know about Thomas Doll doing a fair job in Gazza's place.
    Personally I think a rubber doll would be equally as good and probably
    a lot more fun in the bath.
    
    Regs,
    
    Barry.

    
    Spurs 0   Sheff Wed 2
    
      This is getting serious,we are 5th from bottom now,only 4 points
    clear of the 3rd relegation spot,with 12 games left to play.They
    include games againt Man Utd,Liverpool,Everton and Villa,and real 6
    pointers against West ham,Notts County and Sheff Utd.
      Feyanoord on Wednesday,it could be the end of the road fro Peter
    Shreeves if we lose,as he had the dreaded vote of confidence yesterday
    from Terry Venables.We're in trouble...NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
    
    Dave...

    Dave 
      
       Do you think this could open the door for Aussie Ardeles (sp)?
    Or has he found alternative employment?
    
       As he would probably the be a popular choice of replacement for old
    happy chops Shreeves.
       
      NICK.
      

    
    Nick.....Long time no see.
    
       Ossie (Aussie HA HA) would probably be a popular choice,but Glen
       Hoddle seems to be the popular choice at the moment.All of this
       depends on Shreeves getting booted out.Venanbles might think when
       money is available to rebuild in the summer,Shreeves can still do a
       job at Spurs,but we might be in the second division next year.
         All this bad feeling towards Shreeves cant be doing the team any
       good,hopefully everyone will get behind the team tomorrow,and forget
       trying to convince Venables to get rid of Shreeves until after the
       game.If we lose that should be it for him,we have a difficult run in
       now and we need some results badly.Going out of Europe wont be a
       disaster,we really need to ensure first division survival.If we 
       progress it might be a distraction.We will see what happens.
    
       Dave...

    Tonights game; a case of "Peter (Shreeves) and De Wolfe". I'm
    sorry I could'nt resist it. 

        <<< Note 45.258 by ARRODS::OHAGANB "Meals on Wheels of Steel" >>>
                    -< I should've sold this to "The Sun" >-

>    Tonights game; a case of "Peter (Shreeves) and De Wolfe". I'm
>    sorry I could'nt resist it. 



Bazza,

In a similar vein, I suspect that the News of the World have a reporter
who reads this conference. Last Sunday the bards of Wapping gave us the
headline ... "Shreeveso to get the heave-ho".



Rupert

    
    	Good luck tonight you Spurs....hope you can claw back the defecit
    	without shooting yourself in the foot. If Feyenoord nick a goal,	
    	though, you're doomed...
    
    	Anyway, here's to Gary carrying you through what promises to be
    	a very important night for the coaching and management staff
    	at WHL.
    
    	Andy.
  

I only saw the 2nd half. ( Watching the reds on the beeb )

From what I saw, Spurs were camped in the Feyenoord half for about 90% of the
half, had about 3 excellent chances. A Paul Stewart header from a Lineker cross
that was inches wide, with the keeper nowhere, another headed of the line, and
one great piece of defending as Stewart wound up to take a shot from 3 yards.

The rest of the time the Feyenoord defense played like a very well oiled machine.
Like 2 weeks ago Der Woolf didn't give Lineker a look in in the penalty area.

According to the chat after the game, the Spurs were even more dominant in the 
1st half.

I suppose they should be thankful with their home record as it is that they
didn't lose.

	Al.

P.S. I like the Spurs strip, with SPURS subtly put on the shirts and shorts

    
    Very Disapointed,All the players gave there all,it just didnt happen.
    Feyanoord defended very well,especially De Wolfe,he is exactly what
    Spurs need in defence.He marked Lineker out the game for the second
    time.Paul Stewart was outstanding for Spurs IMO,althoughy no-one played
    badly.If we play like that now,the breaks will come and we will avoid
    relegation.No complaints from me,as I said before it just didnt happen.
    
    Dave...

    
    	Spurs didn't deserve to beat Feyenoord. Over the two legs the
    	Dutch team displayed more control and defended well. The 'keeper
    	made a couple of good saves last night, but for me the most
    	significant factor was Spurs' inability to keep calm and control
    	the game under their own terms. Nayim, Durie and Edinburgh seemed
    	to continuously foul, niggle and intimidate the Dutch players, 
    	who to their credit avoided any unpleasant retaliation. The abuse
    	and intimidation directed at one or two of the Feyenoord players
    	was quite frankly a disgrace. If one of "our" teams had been
    	subjected to it away from home in a European tie I can imagine the 
    	extent of the moral outrage from some of the TV commentators..
    
        The only time any Spurs player was "mugged" was when Paul Stewart 
    	stayed momentarily on the floor after a hard challenge and
    	provided one of the Dutch midfielders with too tempting a target
    	to refuse. Yet later in the game one or two of the Spurs players 
    	charged around the field seemingly looking for someone to kick.
    
    	It's a shame Spurs went out with such a performance. Their showing
    	in earlier rounds was excellent and should give a few of the
    	younger players valuable experience.
    
    	Now you can concentrate on staying in the top flight next year.
    
    	Andy.

    
    
    re-1 
    
     what game were you watching I didn't see any of the instances 
     you are refering to 

    
    RE-2
     What Are you on about,Its a mans game,The Spurs players were just
    getting stuck in,trying to win the ball fair and square,sometimes in
    that situation some tackles can get over the top,you should know that..
    just wath Brian Robson or Paul Ince.The game was hard but fair.
    
    Dave...

    Ah well, it leaves us to concentrate on the league then (staying in it,
    that is :-))
    
    Stevo
    

>>      <<< Note 45.264 by TRUCKS::SANT "This could be your lucky day..." >>>

>>    	to continuously foul, niggle and intimidate the Dutch players, 
>>    	who to their credit avoided any unpleasant retaliation. The abuse
>>    	and intimidation directed at one or two of the Feyenoord players
>>    	was quite frankly a disgrace. If one of "our" teams had been
    
>>        The only time any Spurs player was "mugged" was when Paul Stewart 
>>    	stayed momentarily on the floor after a hard challenge and
>>    	provided one of the Dutch midfielders with too tempting a target
>>    	to refuse. Yet later in the game one or two of the Spurs players 
>>    	charged around the field seemingly looking for someone to kick.
    

	What sort of a**h*le could try to excuse a player kicking another
	player in the head? Your bias is incredible.

	Having said that, it was a great game. Fair play to Feyenoord. They said
	before the tie that they'd try to win 1-0 at home and draw 0-0 away.

	They knew what they were at, yet thsy could easily have gone out.

	Michael.

    
    	If you're referring to me, Michael (notice I don't use other
    	more condescending or derogatory spelling versions of YOUR
    	name...) I wasn't excusing *any* unpleasantness on the part
    	of either Spurs or Feyenoord players. I was commenting in
    	a TOTALLY unbiased and objective way. If anything I was biased 
    	towards Spurs, as I was hoping they could win and qualify - read 
    	earlier entries on the subject if you're in any doubts about that!
      
    	I find it amazing that some fans fail to see and criticise their
    	own particular team's transgressions. I often comment on what
    	I see as the unacceptable level of aggression and violence in
    	the game today. 
    
    	If you disagree with my point of view, fine. I can live with that.
    	Can *you*? 
    
    	Andy.

    .262 > P.S. I like the Spurs strip, with SPURS subtly put on the shirts 
         > and shorts
    
    Oh so that's what it was. On my TV it looked like SPUDS. I assumed it
    must have something to do with the pitch. ;-)

Well, we are now just 4pts off the third relegation spot after the weekends 
result at Anfield. I listened to the game on Radio 5 and then saw the goals on 
the ITV results service. 

The first goal was a bad mistake by Fenwick, the second was a ref's decision for 
a corner that never was and the resulting corner was delivered to Burrows who's 
total miskick found Saunders in front of goal, in a disputed offside position to 
score the winner. Again we had only lifted ourselves after Liverpool had scored 
and the decision to play Stewart up front must underline the dramatic loss of 
confidence in front of goal of Mr Durie. 

I think we need a little bit of luck soon!!! to help us in a very nail biting 
run it to the season.

I think that Shreeeves will not last the summer at Spurs, I think that the main 
reason for this IMHO is due to not to the fact that Spurs are losing, but the 
manner of defeat ala Feyenoord, when we spent 90 minutes bombarding the 
opposition goal with huge goal kicks for Lineker!!(I can count the number of 
headers he has won with opposition defenders on one hand) and Durie. I can 
understand the quick punt upfield when the oppostion are caught out of position 
and leaving Lineker or Durie with one on one's which with his speed are have 
good results to the punt upfield against two 6ft plus defenders ala De Wolf(Had 
two very good games) and Mr Method!!(Cant be the right spelling). 

I do believe that Spurs fans would have wanted us to go through that's only 
natural, but say for example v Forest where we played our part in a great game 
but lost to the better team on the day, rather than knowing we played sh*t to 
distinctly average opposition, there was at least some pride in our 
performance. We played two good quick skillful front men against two big bulky
centraL defenders but played them at their game and I'm sorry but I can't 
honestly hand on heart agree with the media they tried their hearts out line of 
thought, as I thought that we were woeful and it hurts to say it. Christ I can 
think of not many sides with a better potential front line of Linker, Durie and 
Walsh.

We have good players let's play to our strengths not try to make them something 
they're not. I still think we will avoid relegation, but I believe it has more 
to do with the standard of the three teams below us than our play totally.

Interesting statistic, I think it took Thorsvedt something like three quarters 
of the game last week before he rolled the ball out.

Finally now is the time to get and support the team, we must help lift them 
especially at home. See you saturday.

antony

    
    I cannot believe Shreeves.He dropped Bergsson after a perfectly good 
    performance against Feyanoord,and brings back the woefull Fenwick,and 
    look what happens.We were robbed,but there is no point in moaning about
    it,the result wont be changed.Thing cant get any worse,we are getting
    no luck at all.It cant last.....................Can it ???
    
    Dave...

I thought the only plus we got last Wednesday was Bergsson's performance and 
cannot believe he was dropped.

Perhaps we're putting fenwick to play in the vain hope someone will buy him, 
who am I kidding!!

antony

    Paul...
      I'm well pleased about getting Cundy,he is a great prospect.Ive seen
    him a few times and he looks a very good player.My brother in law is a
    season ticket holder at the Bridge,and he is gutted,he rated Cundy a
    future England international.He is exactly what we need.
    
    Dave...

   Is there any truth in the rumour that the Totts are to merger with a 
   crack Yugoslavian side to form   
                                    Rapid Decline F.C



  Stuart

I know spurs won on staurday, but what was the score 4-?, my sieve like memory
has let me down again.

As soon as I know this I can enter the complete list in #13.

Al

    
    4-3
    

    The missing Spurs fixtures are 
    
    Wed  1 April West Ham @Home
    Tue  7 April Notts Co @Away
    Tue 14 April Shef Utd @Away
    
    Saturday's performance was a lot better although we still looked pretty
    shaky at the back, what happened to Gordon, someone must have told him 
    there were some Rangers scouts in the stand. I thought Cundy had a 
    fairly confident start but was not too impressed with Mr Gray.
    
    This coming week will seal a lot of fates and if we can get to next
    Tuesday with Wins angainst the Hammers and Villa and a draw at Notts Co
    I will feel a lot happier about our survival. 
                                                       
    At least it felt good to be smiling at 5pm on a saturday.
    
    
    antony

Spurs are finally coming good when they most needed it.

4-3 on Saturday and 3-0 last night against The Hammers. A Gary Lineker hatrick.

Gary was quoted on Radio 5 yesterday as saying that Spurs WONT go down, and he
proved his point. Good to see them pulling out of trouble. One more win and a
couple of draws should see them safe.

However it looks like they hammered the last nails into WHU's coffin last night.
They are now 11 points behind 19th placed Southampton. ('scuse the pun ;-)

	Al

    
    Great result last night,another win on Saturday against Aston Villa
    will secure Premier League Football for Spurs next season.The
    difficulty starts in the Summer when we have to replace Gary Lineker.
    
    Dave...

    
    Dave, how did Cundy and Gray play against West Ham and Coventry. Also, 
    what about Stewart? Will he be staying or going in the summer.

    re-1
    
      I didnt go to either game,so I coudnt tell you.Cundy,going by 
      Paper reports was alittle shaky on Saturday,but he apparently
      played really well on Wednesday.I listened to the game against
      West Ham on Capital Gold and Gray seemed to involved alot.
       I will get to see Cundy next week v QPR.If it all goes through it
    will be a good signing for Spurs,when I have seen him for Chelsea he
    looks a class player as I said before.He is strong and has good pace.
    
      As for Stewart,if he is aloud to leave,if he wants too,it will be a
    big mistake,he has been our best player this season IMO.I cant see him
    leaving.He seemed to sort out his personal problems last season and
    has forced his way into the England set up.I hope he is a Tottenham
    player next season.I can see a clear out coming.I think Ian Walker
    could well be given the Goalkeepers job next season with Mabbutt,Cundy
    Gray and Stewart being the basis of the team.Your guess is as good as
    mine who else will play next season.
    
    Lets hope its better than this.
    
    Dave...

I Think that these two deals are only the start of a busy close season for us.
We have a few targets including Anderton, Fleck, Pembridge??(Luton) to name a 
few. I think that Samways, Lineker, Gascoigne are certain leavers and I also 
believe as you do Dave that Walker will be no 1 in the new season.

I thought Cundy had a steady game last week, it's always difficult to settle 
with your teams patytern of play. Gray I thought played OK Saturday first half 
but sh*t 2nd. I think he will be a squad signing more than the star of the 
team.

I'll give a match report of tomorrow's game.

antony
 

    Oh fer chrissake!    2 up after 15 minutes, then we just rolled over
    with our legs in the air.  Could this have anything to do with Lineker,
    Stewart and, according to yesterdays paper, Walsh all going at the end
    of the season?  In my opinion Shreeves should go as well, I didn't like
    him the first time he was manager.  Who could we get to replace him, my
    personal choice would be to get El Tel back on the bench, but it may
    not be possible with his other roles in the club.  Is Ozzie still free,
    wharabout Glenda?  Anybody know what Keith Burkinshaw's up to nowadays, 
    Bill Nicholson's still alive inee?  We just have to get someone or
    we'll be the laughing stock of the league (if we're not already),
    supposedly one of the "big five", pah!
    
    Steve_clutching_at_straws_and_would_sell_his_soul_to_bring_Spurs_back_to
    greatness_again_and_perhaps_win_the_league_just_once_in_the_next_few_years.
    
    

    This has to be the worst result of the season.I coudnt believe
    it.Something is seriously wrong,when a team that has scored twice in 11
    games gets 5.
      We desperartly need a win on Tuesday v Notts County.
    
    Dave...

Well another nail biter tonight v Notts Co, and Graham Souness thinks he's got 
heart trouble, Spurs have enduced this on several thousand supporters this 
year. We must collect another six points I think to ensure first division 
football next season, the games and where we have a chance of points are :

Game			Date		Points

v Notts Co A 		 7/4/92		1
v QPR A 		11/4/92		1 ( I think the bubbles burst)
v Sheffield Utd A 	14/4/92		0
v Wimbledon H 		18/4/92		3
v Oldham A 		20/4/92		1
v Everton H 		25/4/92		3
v Man Utd A		 2/5/92		0 (Utd won title and suffering from 
					_   hangovers)
			Total		9

Not easy but achievable. What do you think?

antony

    
    Notts County 0   Spurs 2
                     Lineker 2
    
       This should secure premier league Football next season.Another two
       for the house wife's favourite.That makes 32 so far.
         Capital Gold gave us commentary again,when the rest of the nation
    tuned into the Manc Derby.We seemed to dominate,and had plenty of
    chances to score.County are surely down now.They played with a strange
    2-5-3 formation and didnt bother marking Lineker.
    
       Now for QPR on Saturday,They have ben on a roll of late,a draw would
    be a good result,nut I think we might sneak a win.Then its Sheff Utd on
    Tuesday.I will be suprised if we get anything there.
    
    Dave...

    Dave,
    
      Apart from Lineker, has any other Spurs player scored a goal in the
      league this season?
     
      If so, WHO and HOW MANY GOALS.
    
          CHEERS NICK.

    Durie scored a het-trick a short while ago against err, West Ham
    possibly?  Stewart has got a couple, dunno about Walsh though.  You're
    right about Lineker, if he wasn't playing for us we'd been in even
    worse trouble than we are at the moment.
    
    Stevo
    

    
      Yeah but he is..........so there's no point talking about if he
      wasnt playing for us.We can worry about that next season.
    
      Durie has 11,Stewart 6,Walsh 4
    
      The rest of the team have one or two.I think Allen has 3.
    
      Dave...

    
      QPR 1   Tottenham 2
              Gray
              Durie
    
       Great result,great game.QPR were all over us in the first half,and
    could have been 3 up at half time.AS it was they were only one
    up,thankfully.The second half was different,Spurs got stuck in and
    seemed to dominate,Andy Gray,who was sh*t in the first half,was much
    better in the second and scored his first goal for the club.Durie got
    the winner,after a good run.Mabbutt went off and in the second half,I
    was impressed with Cundy,he looks good.Ian Walker had a good game after
    a nightmare start,when he came out for a cross and missed it
    completly,Bradley Allen then hit his shot against the post,with an open
    goal in front of him.
       I dont think the ref pleased the QPR fans(Fan) there was one of the
    so called mass brawls at one point,he booked loads of players and sent
    Macdonald off.He also disallowed a QPR goal,rumours that he had a
    Police escort away from the ground.
    
    Dave...

Well, I think we need two more points now to be absolutely certain of staying 
up, that is if Luton win all their matches. We can now concentrate on what I 
think will be a very important close season for Spurs. I see in the Mirror 
yesterday that Forest still want Samways, I guess his position at the club could 
be in review if we have a new manager for the new season, although I wouldn't 
mind a swap with Roy Keane and some dosh. We are in the market for nearly all 
positions. I think Gray and Cundy will become permanent moves in the summer.

Out this summer will be plus those I think will be :

Gascoigne 
Lineker
Durie
Samways
Walsh
Nayim
plus a few of our young players to Norwich.

Ins :

Centre Back - ?? Don't know who but necessary
Full back - Chap from Southend
Midfield - ???
midfield - Possibly Pembridge
Attack - possibly Fleck
Attack - possibly Anderton


Options/opinions.

Antony

I meant Samways plus dosh (quite a lot) = Keane

antony

    
       Happy Anniversary..............
    
                One year ago today !!!
    
             
             F A CUP SEMI FINAL  WEMBLEY STADIUM
    
                 Tottenham  3    Arsenal  1
    
    
      Dave...

    
    Re last
    
    Another excuse to watch the video again. :-)

    
    
    Sheff Utd 2     Spurs 0
    
      No further comment needed.
    
      I see the memory of April 14th still hurts for the members of 
      Note 46.
    
      Dave...

Well, two games over the weekend and I feel more confident about the away game 
at Oldham than at the home game v Wimbledon. Luton can still achieve 50 pts so 
two points deinately needed to ensure safety. I think we'll draw Saturday with a 
win at Oldham on Monday.

Apparently Gazza makes his retun on the last game of the season away at Man Utd. 
Let's hope they don'y need the points. It is being talked about being live on 
the TV on Sunday 3rd May.

Antony

    Tottenham Hotspurs 3       Lineker (2), Hendry
    Wimbledon 2                Sanchez, ?
    
    Now this is more like it.  Is the Shreeves' hoof finally being
    recognised as the dreadful tactic it always was?  Well there are a few
    encouraging signs.
    
    Twice (count em') Walker threw the ball out to the midfield to play the
    ball forward, rather than hoofing it in the hope that Lineker (you know
    that man with the reputation for towering above defenders) will get his
    head on it and knock it on.
    
    Some of Spurs's best play came in the second half when Nayim, Stewart
    and Allen were making runs from midfield - I just hope The Voice wasn't
    having a cup of tea at the time.  The odd attack involving passing and
    running may not seem much to celebrate, but after a season of getting
    neck ache from watching the ball in the air so much, anything is worth
    a cheer.
    
    Having said that, all of our goals came through headers.  Links got the
    first two, one after Allen had put in a good low cross, and the other
    after a Walsh flick on from a Gray long throw.  Both these came in the
    first half after Sanchez scored an excellent goal, chipping Walker from
    the corner of the box when everyone thought he was going to cross.
    
    Since this came after only 56 seconds I was a bit worried about yet
    another crumbling home defeat, but the 'dons never really sustained any
    pressure on the defence.  Fashanu was the most dangerous but Mabbs
    policed him pretty well, though Gary was embarrassed for pace a couple
    of times.
    
    Wimbledon's second goal came too late to really cause concern, though
    they gave us all a laugh by sending their 'keeper up for corners and
    free kicks in the last 5 minutes (I kid you not).  They left Phelan
    back in the centre circle while Segers went into the Spurs penalty
    area (presumably for a header).  I've never seen that before, but it
    was quite funny.
    
    Other stuff:  Nayim had a total nightmare first half and everyone
    seemed amazed when Hendry replaced Walshie and not Nayim.  Edinburgh
    had another excellent match - how Fenwick kept him out for so long I'll
    never know.  I've seen Cundy a few times now and I think we've got a
    bargin there, he was very competent and provides a welcome bit of bite
    to the back four, although Van den Hauwe did his best to get himself
    sent off with a knee high sliding tackle on one of the 'dons.
    
    Last home of the season this Saturday against Everton.  Given their
    current abysmal form we should be ok for three points, even if we don't
    there's always Peter Berdsley's haircut to take the p*ss out off.
    
    Adrian Pattison

Two things, I think the Man Utd game is going to be live on Sunday 3rd, at 
least it makes up a bit for the lack of ticket allocation.

Second, how about a 5aside or something v the Arsenal noters. I've has a chat 
with Mr McCabe and I think we could organise a hall or pitch in London for an 
evening after work. What do you think.

antony

     Antony...
       I'll play,but we might have a problem getting up 5 players,there
    doesnt seem to be 5 THFC noters in here.
    
    Dave...

    Well I'm out in the sticks of DeathPark, but if you're short of a player
    I'll come up and meet some fellow Totts.  This place seems a bit short
    on people who appreciate the finer side of football (Terry Fenwick
    apart!).
    
    So farewell to Saint Gary on Saturday.  I'll be there, let's hope he
    leaves the Lane in style.
    
    Adrian 

    .....and I'm in Birmingham, but fortunately my job takes me to London
    occassionally. Let me know when and where and I'll try and make it.
    
    PS. If I carry on eating Mars bars, will it improve my football?
    
    John

    re .303 (i think)
    
    ....Hello Birmingham can we have your points please.
    
    Up here on the hill called Shire Hall, there are two Spurs fans, who
    although late in making there appearance known, could be very useful
    when playing five aside with the Arsenal noters.
    
    Send us a mail on a details, or I'll wait for the notes infor.....
    

Thanks for the response, Mike and I have enlarged the idea, see note 203, to 
something more like a Noters 5-aside cup.

antony

	re .306

>    PS. If I carry on eating Mars bars, will it improve my football?

	Stick to Shredded Wheat.

	Tony

    Spurs 3      Allen, Minton, Stewart
    Everton 3    Beardsley 2, ?
    
    Virtually a full house to say goodbye to Saint Gary and Fat Boy and
    good riddence to a bloody awful season.  And how where we repaid?
    
    Well 3 goals in the first half when Everton looked as if they were as
    bad as their resent record suggests, followed by 3 goals in the second
    when we were as bad as our resent record suggest.
    
    Everton looked determined to gift Gary a goal but he declined the
    offer several times (what a nice man).
    
    What the **** happened at half time?  Another good team talk from The
    Voice?  All I can say is that we were uniformly awful, except maybe
    Walker who prevented further embarrasment.  I suppose that at least
    when we play crap, we play crap as a team.
    
    As for the so-called `parade' after the match to say thank you for your
    support, I don't think waiting 15 minutes to have the team wander into
    the centre circle and wave for a minute constitutes much gratitude
    towards the people who pay their wages.
    
    Thank God (who is alive and living in Swindon), that it's nearly over. 
    Time for a clear out, and NO MORE HOOFING.
    
    According to one of the fanzines, Clemence (running the reserves at the
    moment) may be a good bet for next manager.  Maybe not the best
    solution, but anythings better than what we've got now.  
    
    Have we got a team for for 5-a-side yet?
    
    Adrian 
                                                                  

    
      There have been reports over the last week or so in the Daily Express
    that Spurs will definatly bid for Hugo Sanchez from Real Madrid in the
    Summer.Sanchez wont play for Real again as he has been in dispute with
    the Chairman.
    
    Also Teletext reported that Spurs will sign Mark Pembridge from Luton
    if they go down on Saturday.There are a few clubs in for apparently.
    
     Looks like it will be a busy summer in the transfer market...
    
      Paul Gascoigne plays for the reserves today,against the A team at
    Mill Hill.
    
    Dave...

    
    
    
       Dave..
    
    
               Didn't Sanchez score the winner in the F.A Cup final
               against Liverpool.
    
    

Well, Hugo Sanchez would be a scoop, I wouldn't like to guess his wage demands.
I think Pembridge is a definate target as is more likely Fleck.

antony

    A while ago Spurs seemed interested in Daren Anderton from Portsmouth
    as well.  I didn't think much of Fleck when I saw him against us in the
    league and Rumblelows.  I think there were a couple of not too
    complementary comments about Sanchez on Standing Room Only last night,
    but only to the effect that he kicked people now and again (remind you
    of any Mars bar eating (ex-)Spurs midfielder?  The Totts have always
    gone for the spectacular buy from abroad tho'.
    
    If Vinny Sideways goes to Forest, we might get Roy Keane as a part ex.
    
    It looks as if we'll see a very different Spurs team start next season.
    
    Gazz was kicking about before the match on Saturday, looked a lot more
    mobile than when he last was out.
    
    Is the Man U match on the box or not now?
    
    Adrian

    The trouble is we keep having to go through this cycle of
    selling/buying each couple of seasons, and it has been reinforced that 
    keep changing the team ala Man Utd, Blackburn is not the easy recipe to 
    success. 
    
    I must admit I was hoping to see a few younger players brought out into 
    the first team after first division status was ensured but Shreeves only 
    brought the lad Minton? out last Saturday. We must also give a proper 
    chance to our young players ala Scott Houghton to shine.
    
    I think Hugo Sanchez must be older than Lineker, I don't think he is
    really the answer to our needs. Again the lad we got from Dundee last
    year, John Hendry looks a very good prospect as I'm sure Charlton 
    supporters will tell you as he played their on loan this year. If 
    Venables is really serious about wanting to build the right team here 
    and wants to buy an elder player then Waddle is on the market, I know 
    he's old but there arent many players of his ability around. I think as
    well as Linker, Mr Durie is on his way home as will probably Nayim. It
    has been rumoured Walsh wants to go abroad. If this is a buy/sell close
    season then lets get it right and build this team for a good few years
    to come. I would imagine Anderton is still a target, Venables relations
    with Portsmouth Chairman Jim Gregory(Ex QPR Owner) woulkd help but I
    think Liverpool will be pretty keen, never mind him the lad Awford at
    the back looked pretty damned good and he is only 19/20. 
    
    We will definitely enter a Hotspurs Noters team in the tournament when
    it gets of the ground.
                                             
    antony
    
    
    
    antony 

    Read in todays papers that Tottenham & Rangers have agreed to exchange
    Gordon Durie for Scott Nisbet, Ian Ferguson + CASH !!!
    
    Not a bad deal, but aren't we getting a few too many Scots in the 
    team ?
    
    Rob..

    
      Ian ferguson is a midfielder isnt he,what about Nisbet....whats he
    like,where does he play ???.I would have prefered a straight swap for
    Mark Hately,but I doubt Rangers would have parted with him.
    
      Man Utd tomorrow,and the Gary Lineker's last game for Spurs,lets hope
    he can go out on a high.I hope it is also Peter Shreeves' last game in
    charge of Spurs aswell.
      Good riddance to a sh*t season.
    
    Dave...
    

    
     Scot Nisbet is.......keen,He usually plays at the back but will give
    100% where ever he plays,started at Rangers as a striker.
     Ferguson is a a dumplin,he had a great game against yous a few years
    back but never really got his act to getter.
     I'll be sorry to see Nisbet go. 
    
                                   SCott

    
    
    Man Utd  3   Spurs  1
                 Lineker
    
    
      This just about sums up our season.......Gary Lineker scored and
    Spurs lost.
    
      Oh well Gary Linejer has gone now,Paul Gascoigne will go in a couple
    of weeks,now the rebuilding starts hopefully.
      Plenty of rumours about players leaving and players signing.Paul
    Stewart to Man Utd,in exchange for Neil Webb + cash.Dean Holdsworth
    from Brentford,and continual rumours about Mark Hughes...lets hope that
    one is just paper talk.
    
       Also,Terry Venables could be coming back to manage the team,with
    Shreeves staying as coach.......we will see what the next few weeks
    bring.
    
    Dave...

    Well, thanks for the info on Vennables possibly coming back as manager,
    I saw the headline but didn't read the story.  I really hope that
    Shreeves doesn't stay on in any capacity.  The long-ball game that he
    must take resposiblity for is just not the Tottenham way.  It's fine
    for a middle of the the table mediocre team (which just about sums us
    up this year) but we should have more ambition than that.
    
    At least Vennables has shown he can motivate a team, but he was the one
    who appointed The Voice afterall..  Now if we had Ossie or Glenda as
    assistant we could start next season with a reasonable amount of hope
    in our hearts.
    
    I wouldn't blame Stewie for going to Man Utd, he'd fit in well there
    and would stand a good chance of honours.  It would be shame tho', he's
    been the outstanding player for us this year, without him and a timely
    return to goalscoring by Lineker I think we would've been looking at
    life in Div Two (or is it One now?).
    
    Adrian
    

    
    Is it really true about Hughes coming to WHL? I can't decide whether
    it would be a good for Spurs or not.

      Re-1
    
       Try the "not".We dont want him,he's well over rated.He doesnt score
    enough goals anyway.One overhead kick and a briiliant volley a season
    wont be enough,theyve only just realised at Old Trafford.
    
    Dave...

    
    Hang on, I think you're forgetting a couple of things :-
    
    	a) All those penalties you'll be getting, and
    
    	b) The opportunity to play against ten men every week ;-)
    
    Adam.

    Can you imagine the cleaning bill each game if both Hughes & Nayim were
    playing.....we'd definately go bust...
    
    Hughes is so overrated, after the stick he was getting at Old Trafford
    last Saturday...even after scoring a couple of goals.
    
    I heard a rumour that Spurs are talking to Martin O'Niell (sp?) about
    the manager job....?
    
    
    Rob..

    re:-1
    	
    Martin O'Neill,the former FOREST maestro????

    
    
    re last......the very same !!!

Martin O'Neill, currently Manager of Wycombe, newly promoted to Division er, 
3!

grahame

    
    Graeme,
    
    Wycombe are newly promoted to Div 3 ?????
    
    I don't think so - they finished second in the conference on goal
    difference behind Colchester and although Aldershot dropped out of the
    League said they would still only promote 1 conference team this year
    with one up next year with no relegation again to make the numbers up.
    
    I know Martin O'Neill was whining on about how Wycombe should be
    promoted this year because they came so close but I thought the league
    stressed they didn't have a chance.
    
    In the words of Alex Ferguson - "A miss is as good as a mile"
    
    		Brian

Last week also saw some newspaper gossip linking Fleck to us. Apparently he was 
spotted with his wife and agent in Scribes West, Vegetables exclusive WestEnd 
club. There was a press dinner going on at the same time and as soon as he 
realised Fleck left sharpish!! We are supposedly in competition with Chelsea for 
his signature. The Durie transfer is on/off, with Hateley now wanting to stay in 
Glasgow they might not need Durie so much. I think a Durie/fleck combination 
might work quite well. No one would understand a word they were saying. We have 
also been linked to Leicester's centre half Walsh. In TVS land the play off 
match Leicester/Cambridge was on TV yesterday and he looked a decent centre 
half, put a beauty elbow ala Gazza into Dion Dublin. 

Secondly the Noters tournament is now arranged for 13th June in Reading. Could 
you give me a definate yes if you can make it and possible positions(Morning 
Vicar!!). It should be a really good day(especially if crowned with a Spurs 
victory.!!

antony

 

    Jim, see note 203 for details of the tournament, thanks for the offer
    and see you on the 13th of June. 
    
    antony

    Well, I'm on for the 5-a-side, as well.  I prefer to play forward or
    right-midfield (or anywhere except in goal!).
    
    Bye the way, Ossie Ardilles is the new manager of WBA with Keith
    Burkinshaw as his No.2.
    
    Adrian
    

Well after selling him a few years ago it looks like Neil Ruddock could be on 
his way back to the lane. Venners is believed to be offering in the region of 
500k but Southampton want closer to 1 million quid. Not a bad signing for the 
squad.

Do you think Stewart will go, I think that Webb could be a good addition and if 
Pembridge comes as well then Venables might think it best to let Stewart go. 
I'm currently reserving opinion as I do believe that Webb will add quality that 
we are severely missing at present. I guess it depends on the deal we could do.

antony

Chaps,

Just to confirm our squad currently looks as follows,

Definates

Antony Ferraro
Dave Wilson
Adrian Pattison
Jim Fairburn
John Springall

Possibles

ukbops::rdgph * 2(I've tried sending you mail but it keeps coming back 
undelivered, give me a call or send a mail if you fancy playing)

 I'm aiming to get a squad of seven in total. The tournament is really taking 
off with nine definite teams including a team from Utrecht.

antony

    Did anyone see Venables "recommending" Gascoigne for the England squad
    on telly last night? If Gaz is fit, I reckon he should be in the 20
    even without match practice - he's a sight more use than Batty!
    
    I'd rather we kept Stewy than p/x him with cash and Webb. Pauls
    distribution is a much under-rated part of his game...besides Webb
    isn't good enough to live up to the traditions of Spurs. I'd like to
    see someone a bit more exciting come to the Lane...first choice, the
    new Waddle - Anderton.
    
    Jim 

If the money was right I wouldn't mind the old Waddle!! He is also considering 
his future this summer as he will definitely be leaving Marseille. I think he 
could do a very good job for Spurs for at least three/four seasons, he is about 
31 years old I think? It's all a question of dosh!

I think Anderton is also a strong candidate for a summer bid and why shouldn't 
we get both, what better player for Anderton to learn from.

antony

I was watching the play off games on TVS last night and after the games there 
was a story about a chap who plays for Gillingham - Peter Beadle? Apparently he 
will be signing for Spurs at the end of the month. He is very highly rated and 
could be a very good long term buy for Spurs, price about 500k. They were going 
on saying how will he replace Lineker but in my opinion I think his is a longer  
term purchase, possibly in replacement of Walsh who want to play abroad, and 
will be groomed for first team action.  I think it's good if the club can get 
the network to uncover these future players at a good cost to the club. I just 
hope the pressure will not be too much for him.

Antony

    I saw that Ian Walker and John Hendry both were capped for England U-21
    on Tuesday which is encouraging for the future.  I've seen Walker a few
    times this season and apart from his goal kicking which is wayward to
    say the least, he seems like a solid and popular keeper.
    
    Hendry only got a couple of games towards the end of the season but
    picked up a goal or two.  He had some nice touches but seemed a bit
    nervous and tended to go for the safe pass.
    
    Paul Moran was good last year, but has been out injured for most of
    this season, hopefully he'll be back next year - a good replacement for
    Walsh or Allen.
    
    Venners seems to have raised his profile a lot lately, has Shreeves
    officially moved aside?
    
    Adrian
    

    re .last
    
    What's all this about a "Super Stadium"?  They've only just finished
    rebuilding the east stand a couple of seasons ago, and the west stand a
    couple of years before that.  Would you be so kind as to provide more
    info on this please (bit starved of it out here in Holland).
    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    Stevo
    

    
      Re-1
    
        The proposal is to develop the Park Lane and Paxton to become all
    seater to comply with the Taylor report.The ground will include a
    150(?) room hotel a shopping complex and a museum.It also includes
    developing a station,I dont know if this will be White Hart Lane,
    Northumberland Park or even Tottenham Hale,to include a large carpark.
    
       As I said they want money from the goverment,to develop the ground and
    surrounding area.I think they are hoping this will become a major
    source of income for Harringay council.
    
       It will probably take ages for any answer's,but on Thames news last
    night,they did say that if THFC get the green light,other clubs will
    use the same method to improve there grounds.
    
    Dave...

The club has been turned round with a rights issue and injection of cash from 
Venables and Alan Sugar. The sale of Gazza, Lineker and other players will bring 
quite a generous amount of dosh, plus we have the kit deal with Umbro bringing 
in some money as well as a new deal with Holsten. I think that if the club is 
run correctly there is plenty of potential for ensuring stability and growth.

Oh god I sound like Norman Lamont. The green shoots of recovery are on their 
way.

antony

    
    
    Peter Shreeves has been sacked !!!!!!
    
    No more details at the moment.
    
    Dave...

    About time too! Get Venners back on the bench and we'll stand a chance
    of winning something next year.
    
    Stevo
    
    
    Bad joke coming up, please hit NEXT UNSEEN if you're easily offended.
    
    
    
    
    Graeme Souness has put in a bid to bring Peter Beardsley back to
    Liverpool from Everton...
    
    
    
    
    apparently he's had a change of heart!
    
    Apologies to M.M. as I got it in before he did!

Dave, where did you here it?

I'll buy the Standrd as soon as I can.

antony

    
    Antony...
    
      On the Radio this morning,they are already speculating that David
    Webb will be the new manager.
    
    Dave...

    
    Just have to enter this one.
    
    Grahame Souness and Kenny Daglish are having a stroll down the
    beach chit chatting idly about days gone by. Kenny is looking
    up at the seagulls and says......
    
    "Soony, what would you do if a bird shit on your head ??"
    
    Grahame thinks about this for a few seconds and replys.........
    
    
    "Well Daggy, I definately wouldn't go out with her anymore !!"
    
    
    JN. :-)

    Yep, it looks like the end of an era at the Lane :-)
    
    The Independent has a report stating that Shreeves has been sacked, and
    R4 this morning said that THFC would neither confirm or deny it.  It
    also said that Webb is dubious about working for Venables even though
    they are friends because of his high-profile and hands on approach
    (pity there wasn't more of that last season).
    
    Doug Livermore (current first team coach) is mentioned as a
    possibility.
    
    My vote would still have to go to Glenda.
    
    Adrian
    

    
    Burkinshaw, I reckon. If he'd go back. He and Venables working together
    would be a good team, methinks.
    
    Adam.

The story is in the Evening standard in London today. It apparently says that 
Shreeves has been told but the club were not going to announce it until next 
Wednesday as Shreeves is away with the Welsh squad.

Not really surprising, if not for the amount of home losses and league position 
but in the manner of a lot of those performances.

I would value the appointment of a "Spurs" man, along the lines of Hoddle, 
Ardiles, Perryman as I think that they're understanding of the way the club 
works and the supporters etc. is invaluable.

I think my choice is Hoddle as I think he can still play for us in a sweeper 
position for at least another two years, plus his style of play is bang on for 
me. 

It is only the start of a very busy close season for us, lets make sure we put 
the foundations down for a good few years to come.

antony 

    re .last
    
    Amen to that!
    
    Stevo

Loads of Spurs speculation this weekend as expected. One article I read which I 
was very pleased about was an article about the player joining in July from 
Ireland. His name is Gerard McMahon and he is apparently rated one of the best 
talents to have come out of Ireland for ages, apparently Venables broke his 
golden rule and was signed on half an hours performance watched by Spurs chief 
scout.

The managers job has caused all sort of speculation with Saturday all the papers 
declaring Veanbles to be back in charge but Sunday went more that there would be 
a manager but Venables wanted to become more actively involved. I think it would 
be a mistake for Venables to take the whole thing, especially as he seems to 
becoming more involved in the running of the "Club" plus more asnd more 
associated witht eh premier division. I would still favour Glenn Hoddle coming 
back, but it is a difficult one to call.

Another article in the Mail on Sunday said that Luton player Mark Pembridge 
would be signing for Derby this week as Spurs were still waiting for Gascioigne 
to pass his tests before beginning their transfer spree. Don't know if this is a 
Pleat wind up.

antony

 

It looks like Darren Anderton of Portsmouth could very soon be on his way to
North london for a fee of in the region of 1.5m ( Give or take a couple of
hundred K ).

He will be more than an ample replacement for Gazza, and he has a great future
ahead of him. I hope he makes the grade at the Spurs.

Al

    According to this mornings papers Anderton has gone away to think
    things over. Crystal Palace might be in with a shot because of the
    location. Looks like Breadle(?) will be joining though.
    
    Jim.

    according to the local paper in Edinburgh ...
    Hearts are to play spurs on July 27th at Tynecastle in a pre season
    freindly ??? 
    
    SQF Jambo.

    
      Spurs have signed Dean Austin from Southend.He is a full back,(right 
      I think),The two clubs cant decide a fee,so it will go to tribuneral.
    
      Dave...
    
    

I think the next few weeks will see a lot of Vegetables wheeling and dealing.

We will officially sign the Southend player today with Anderton also signing by 
the end of the week. We are still signing the Gillingham centre forward and 
Fleck and Ruddock are still targets. I think the key signing will be a good 
midfield player.

Apparently we will play Lazio on something like Monday 7th Sept in Rome for 
Gazza's Lazio debut, apparently the game will be sold out no problem with gate 
receipts being split 50/50. Should make a few quid. Hopefully things like TV 
rights could also bump up money.

antony

Doug Livermore has been appointed as new first team coach but will be also 
responsible for 1st team selection with Ray Clemence as his assistant. The 
whole of the coaching staff have been moved up one and Venables has 
specifically said that the club will operate in a more continental fashion with 
the coach responsible for coasching and team selection and Venables responsible 
for contracts, transfers etc. He has also said he wants to get back into the 
coaching of the club all through the club.

Peter Beadle has signed from Gillingham with Anderton expected to sign anyday. 
Goodbye to Paul Walsh who has gone in the opposite direction.

antony

 Was up in my loft a few weeks ago and found a programme from the 
 1962 FA Cup Semi-Final at Hillsborough between Man Utd and Tottenham.

 The game was played on the 31 March , 1962. 

 Anybody know -

	o  Who won the game ?
	o  What was the score ?
	o  Who won the cup that year ?

	o  Is the programme (which is in good condition) worth anything ?


 Enquiring mind would like to know ?


     Walker

    
    
    Spurs won the game.
    Don't know the score
    and..
    spurs won the cup
    
    DavidS.
    

According to the super soaraway Ruddock will arrive at Spurs for a medical
before signing in the next couple of days.

antony

    Will the signing of Ruddock and the tying up of the Cundy (made up
    name!) deal mean the end of Mabbs? He's had a double operation already
    on injuries he's been carrying all season. I hope he's not going as he
    is the only defender we have who knows (roughly) what he's doing.
    
    Jim.

The only deal to complete is Jason Cunday's loan deal from Chelsea. I still 
think we're short in midfield, do you think Neil Webb is still a target?

When Cunday and Ruddock have been signed I think it is good long term planning 
by Venables as Mabbut is now coming to the conclusion of his career so with the 
two centre backs purchased and the full back from Southend the defence looks in 
better shape than normal. I still believe Fleck will come to Tottenham, comments  
about the purchase of the lad from Gillingham about a long term prospect 
increase my suspicion. I'm not clear about Durie's position at the club!

Is Samways still on the list? I still think Nayim would like a move back to 
Spain.

Antony 

    
    Maybe the plan is to play 3 centre backs next season,Mabbutt sweeping
    ???.
      With Paul Stewart,Andy Gray the basis of the midfield,and Anderton
    playing with a free role.Who knows ????
    
      Spurs play West Brom at the Hawthorns,August 3rd I think.
    
    Dave...

Spurs will also play Portsmouth at Fratton Park on Monday 10th August.

regards,

antony

    Talking of Nayim... I think there are a lot of people who would
    like him to return to Spain.

    Are the Tottenham scouts going to be present at Reading on June 13th?

John, I think the only scvouts on attendance might be the one's that fiddle with 
their toggle.

antony

	re .374

> John, I think the only scvouts on attendance might be the one's that fiddle with 
> their toggle.

	Errr, do you mean "woggle"?

	Tony

Well, I think we've got in a very interesting group. Looking forward to 
meeting the old enemy from which this whole tournament grew from plus facing 
the dutch side and our other opponents. Great !

Come on you Sppuurrsss !

ANTONY

    I think we've got a very good draw...we have plenty of time to checken
    out if all the others look good! At least there's time for a bit of a
    kick-around/warm-up.
    
    Jim

    It also gives the Totts a chance to beat Arsenal in a league match for
    the first time in xxx years.
    
    Let's just hope that Gary Mabbutt doesn't turn up to deflect all the
    other teams shots past our keeper..
    
    Adrian
    

    I have been hearing rumours this weekend that Spurs have already, or
    are about to, swap Gordon Durie for Mark Hughes. I didn't see anything
    in the papers, but several other people have told that they have.
    
    I'd like to take this opportunity to say I think Hughes is no good. He
    doesn't score enough goals and his hair is more offensive than Stewy's!
    
    Jim

    
      Re-Hughes....
    
       I really hope this is just paper talk.He's sh*t.I dont rate him at
    all.I thought they were looking for a replacement for Gary Lineker,If
    we wanted a 5 goal a season Foward we should have kept Paul Walsh.
    
    Dave...
    
    
    

    Yep, my Sunday was spoilt for a while when i read in the People that
    Spurs were going to swap Durie for Hughes, but then it *was* the People
    and I didn't see it in any other papers.
    
    Let's hope it's not true.  If Durie could settle he'd be an asset to
    the team.  Even if he really does want to go, we'd surely be better off
    taking the money instead of Hughes.
    
    Anyone see Gazza, the Comeback?  It had it's moments, worst was seeing
    him on the boat fishing with loads of hanger ons, best was his crack at
    Gary Mabbutt (`a model professional, everyone looks up to him, he's
    going to have his testimonial, collect loads of money, then say
    bo**ocks to Spurs').
    
    Adrian
    

    I thought the best bit was that banner those Lazio fans stuck up on
    the fence. I can't repeat what it said in here but it was the sort
    of thing you see in VIZ every time.

Is Walsh gone? Where to and for how much?

    In part exchange for Beckford

    
    Or even Anderton.........
    
    Beresford hasn't gone anywhere.
    
    Paul

    Just a quick mail to thank you for turning up Saturday, hope you had a
    good time and Jon, Peter, Stephen you missed a good session in the
    evening.
    
    antony

    Well Venable has started his changes 
    
    New management     		Old Management
    Livermore and Clemence.     Shreeves
    
    New Players.			Old Players.
    
    Anderton				Gascoigne
    Ruddock				Lineker
    Mitchell? Southend full back	Walsh
    Beedle(no relation 
    to Jeremy - Gillingham)	
    Gray(Loan deal 
    finalized)
    
    Has Cundy's permanent transfer been sorted out yet as I've seen no
    mention of it in the papers?
    
    I still do not feel this is the end to our dealings in the transfer
    market. Durie's future has still to be organised, we still desperately
    need a player to fill some of the gap left in midfield by Gazza. If
    Cundy does not sign then I feel we still need another player for
    centre of defence.
    
    Thoughts, news, comments.
    
    I think that once the Euro 92 championship is over the tabloids will
    get back to the transfer talk.
    
    antony
    
    
    
    

    Antony,
    
    I think that the Cundy deal HAS been finalised according to my daily
    reliable source, the Mirror.
    
    I hope that Durie stays although his scoring averages will have to
    match his injury averages if he is to make the impact that we need up
    front.
    
    Noticed in town today that the new video for 91-92 has been released
    along with a new Lineker tribute. The goals in the former come from the
    League, ECWC, and Rumbelows Cup...lucky really 'cos an FA cup video
    would be somewhat short! Both videos run for 85 minutes and the Lineker
    one includes all his goals from last season (so the cover says anyway).
    
    I think we need another striker as well as a Gaz replacement. Anderton
    nor Durie are prolific scorers...maybe Breadle(sp) is.
    
    Jim.

    Well, I can't say I'm really thrilled at the prospect of Clemence and
    Livermore and Venners in charge..  I mean, which one are we to blame
    when things go wrong!
    
    I guess Livermore and Clemence will be doing the tactics and team
    selection with Venables getting involved in buying and selling.  Sounds
    a bit like management by committee to me.  I just hope that they have a
    commitment to playing football the Tottenham way, which was sadly
    lacking at the Lane last year.
    
    Having said that, we've picked up a few interesting players and
    hopefully Venables will pull off some surprise signing of a creative
    midfielder before the start of the season.
    
    Adrian

    Last night's ceefax said that the football transfer tribuneral has set
    the Southend player Dean Austin for 325,000 with another 150,000
    forthcoming dependant on number of games he plays and possible
    international appearances. We will pay 150,000 to Gillingham for Beedle
    and Gray costs 900,000 and Cundy 800,000. with Anderton and including
    the 150,000 extra for Austin that makes about 4.5 million, I do not
    know when wee get the Lineker money but the key need is in midfield.
    
    I wouldn't mind that Fleming Poulsen from his performance last night
    versus Holland.
           
    antony
    
    antony
    
    

    Reply to 45.364.
    
    I made a note of your questions, lost it, found it yesterday!!!
    
    Result of 1962 FA Cup Semi-final at Hillsborough on 31st March,
    Spurs 3, Manchester Utd. 1
    As previously noted Spurs went on to win the Cup.
    
    John

    
    Many thanks John for you reply. It's great to know the result of the 
    game. 
    
    Without wanting to trouble you too much, would you know anymore
    details, such a scorers , attendance etc !
    
    Cheers
    
    Walker

    Could it be because of his striking resemblance to the one and only
    Paul (naturally curly hair) Stewart?
    
    He skied everything in the semi, but scored a cracker in the final.  He
    wont be cheap though.  If he wants to get a hero from the Euro champs,
    why not splash out on Neil Webb.  Err, no, that can't be right can it.. 
    
    Adrian
    

Brian Laudrup and/or Fleming Poulsen please. I think Jensen resembles Stewart 
not only in looks but also in goalscoring potential. 

Looking at our squad we are crying out for a creative midfield player. On 
players currently with us, have Samways, Nayim and Sedgeley still got a future 
at WHL. 

antony 

    Actually I was going to put a note in asking about Samways, anyone got
    any news, is he still on the list?  Personally I think it would be a
    shame for him to go, he does have a lot of talent and will probably
    come back to haunt us if he goes to Forrest as talk once suggested.
    
    Having said all that, he had a long run in the team last year and still
    didn't really produce the goods.  Was that down to team tactics missing
    out the midfield, the crowd getting at him, I don't know.
    
    Adrian
    

Adrian,

I don't know what it was with Samways last year, he played the majority of the 
season but at the end seemed very stale and still hasn't convinced me he is 
the man to talk over and boss the midfield area. He certainly put on weight and 
seemed to have done some weights pre-season to build himself up a bit so would 
not get pushed off the ball as easily, he certainly did not get any favours 
from either Shreeves end of year long ball tactics or the state of the pitch at 
WHL. 

I still believe he is an asset for the club but feel we need someone to take 
more control of that area of the pitch, and I certainly don't mean Neil Webb. 

antony

Gary Mabbutt is planning his testimonial for early this season against either 
Rangers or Celtic. I'm not sure if it will be pre-season or early into the 
season.

Gary Lineker has agreed to play.

antony

    
      As Durie has decided that as Rangers dont want him at the moment,he
    will stay at WHL,does this mean that the move for Robert Fleck is off.
    
      Durie isnt really a 25 goal a season striker,so unless the dynamic
     duo.....Livermore and Clemence..are putting there faith in Breadle,a
    striker is still needed.
      I think we should save the money and try Hendry,He looks a good
    prespect to me.It looks like it will be 3 at the back next season,with
    Mabbutt,Cundy and Ruddock.
    
      Anyone got a fixture list yet ???
    
    Dave...

First game of the season is at Southampton on August 15th, hopefully we'll get 
the full fixture list soon.

antony

    Does anyone have a list of pre-season games?
    
    Jim.

    
    antony,
    
    there was an advert on the radio yesterday saying the 'Star' was
    publishing all the fixtures either today or tomorrow for all teams.
    
    The ones I know are;
    
    5-Sept  Everton  H
    9-Feb   Everton  A
    
    31-Oct  Liverpool H
    8-May   Liverpool A
    
    Paul

    !992/3 Season
    
    Aug 15 Southampton(a)
    Aug 18 Coventry City(h)
    Aug 22 Crystal Palace(H)
    Aug 25 Leeds Utd(a)
    Aug 29 Ipswich Town(a)
    Sep  1 Sheffield Utd(h)
    Sep  5 Everton(h)
    Sep 12 Coventry City(a)
    Sep 19 Manchester Utd(h)
    Sep 26 Sheffield Wed(a)
    Oct  3 Q.P.R.(a)
    Oct 17 Middlesborough(h)
    Oct 24 Wimbledon(a)
    Oct 31 Liverpool(h)
    Nov  7 Blackburn Rovers(a)
    Nov 21 Aston Villa(h)
    Nov 28 Manchester City(a)
    Dec  5 Chelsea(h)
    Dec 12 ARSENAL(h)
    Dec 19 Oldham Athletic(a)
    Dec 26 Norwich City(a)
    Dec 28 Notts Forest(h)
    Jan  9 Manchester Utd(a)
    Jan 16 Sheffield Wed(h)
    Jan 26 Ipswich Town(h)
    Jan 30 Crystal Palace(a)
    Feb  6 Southampton(h)
    Feb  9 Everton(a)
    Feb 13 Sheffield Utd(a)
    Feb 20 Leeds Utd(h)
    Feb 27 Q.P.R.(h)
    Mar  6 Middlesborough(a)
    Mar 10 Aston Villa(a)
    Mar 13 Blackburn Rovers(h)
    Mar 20 Chelsea(a)
    Mar 23 Manchester City(h)
    Apr  3 ARSENAL(a)
    Apr 10 Norwich City(h)
    Apr 12 Notts Forest(a)
    Apr 17 Oldham Athletic(h)
    May  1 Wimbledon(h)
    May  8 Liverpool(a)
     
    Looks like another busy season ahead but I can't see too many difficult
    games having to be played consecutively. These fixtures are from the
    Daily Star so who's saying how reliable they are!
    
    Jim.

    re .404
    
    Whilst I was up in Birmingham a couple of weeks ago, a friend said that
    Spurs were playing West Brom early August in a pre-season friendly. 
    I think he said the 3rd, but thats a week-end so I'm not sure.  Maybe 
    they don't care to much as its not the season proper!!!
    
    I'll try to find out for certain.
    
    We'll probably lose anyway (I used to live near Aldershot)
    
    ;-)
    
    Peter

    
    
    Here are the pre-season games.....
    
      They are all away,
    
    25th July
    v Hearts
    
    29th
    v Brighton
    
    1st August
    v Glenarvon
    
    3rd
    v West Brom
    
    5th
    v Sunderland
    
    8th
    v Watford
    
    10th
    v Portsmouth
    
    
      Also the first Lazio game is at WHL on the 17th August.
    
    Dave...

Dave, I thought the first Lazio game was in Rome with the return at WHL in 
November.

antony

    
    Re-1
    
      Antony....Yeah your right as it happens,but we are supposed to be
    playing Coventry on the 18th according to .400 something,so we will
    have to see if things get sorted out.
    
    Dave...

Chaps,

After the notes tournament, that we thrashed the Arsenal Noters, we said we 
would have to met up and all go to watch a game, I reckon the Lazio game will 
be the one to see. So when it's announced keep the diary free.

antony

                    <<< Note 45.415 by LARVAE::FERRARO_A >>>
                               -< Lazio at Home >-

>>Chaps,

>>After the notes tournament, that we thrashed the Arsenal Noters, we said we 
>>would have to met up and all go to watch a game, I reckon the Lazio game will 
>>be the one to see. So when it's announced keep the diary free.

>>antony

Antony,

you make it sound like an achievement but didn't all teams trash the
Arsenal Noters :-) :-)

T_

    -.1
    
    Yes, you our right; I personally missed 4 goals in the Tottenham v Arsenal
    match. We should have beat them 12-0, but then they have always been a
    bit lucky! 
    
    Next year I will practice scoring in little goals!
    
    Yours in sport,
    
      John

    No one can say that we weren't generous either...we even let them score
    ( Did they manage a goal in any of their other games :-) )
    
    Anyway, looking down the pre-season list I may go and see them at
    Brighton and possibly Watford too. With a bit of luck some of the new
    boys will play and also its always interesting to see some of the
    up-and-coming youngsters.
    
    Jim.

    Are any of you's boys travelling up for the Hearts game on 
    Saturday 25th July ???? If so,we could always meet for a wee bevvy
    before the game......
    
    SQF Jambo

    
    
    Re-1
    
       I agree about the midfield,according to this mornings
    Express,Tottenham were one of 6 English clubs after the Danish player
    the Arse have signed.Maybe Livermore and Clemence are going to go with
    Samways,the potentials there,but he never seems to live up to our
    expectations,well mine anyway.
      The good midfielders are out of our pricerange anyway.
    
    Dave...

Dave,

I think Samways has to be totally involved or else on his bike, no more sitting 
on the subs bench). He is on the list but no one has come forward for him or at 
least bid for him in public. I think if he does stay and still doesn't convince 
everyone this season then he will go. I'm still not convinced he is the player 
we need.

I'm surprised Nayim has not gone as he wanted to go back to Spain!

antony

    
    Antony..
    
      I'm suprised a few other players havent gone.I was told West Ham want
    Paul Allen,but havent seen anything about any others.I cant see Steve
    Sedgley,Nayim,Paul Allen,Fenwick or Van Den Hauwe getting regular first
    team football next season.They should be sold for whatever price can be
    got for them,with Fenwick getting a free.
      I wonder if the plan is to throw Dean Austin straight in at right
    back,with Justin Edinburgh at left back,I hope so.Will Beadle play
    straight away,or is he another that will be thrown into the reserves
    never to be seen again,there is also that new Irish kid,he's supposed
    to be a bit special.According to the mail a few months ago,Venables was
    keen to get him into first team football as quickly as possible.I
    suppose we arent in the market for a striker now Durie is
    staying,although he isnt really a good bet to get 25 goals next
    season,I'd be suprised if he plays 25 games as it happens.The defence
    should be much more solid,hopefully,and if we can sort out our home
    form,we should do ok.
    
    Dave...
      

    
    Re -1,  the young Irih kid is Gerard McMahon.  He is good.  He's a
    midfielder cum winger.
    
    Gary.

Dave,

There is quite a lot of unresolved business that Venables would like to do, 
however with the players you mentioned still being at the club I think it ties 
his hands a bit in terms of money available.

Maybe the thinking on Sedgeley is that we would not sell him until Ruddock was 
confirmed. I actually would like Sedgeley  to stay as I think he can play in 
midfield or defence.

The squad at present looks like :

goalkeepers :				Midfield :		
	
Thorsvedt				Stewart
Walker					Gray
Dearden(on loan at Birmingham)		Samways
					Howells
Defenders :				Nayim
					
Mabbutt
Sedgeley				Forwards :
Cundy					
Fenwick					Durie
Van den Hauwe				Anderton	
Edinburgh				McMahon
Austin					Beedle
Ruddock ???				Hendry

Plus youngsters :

There are plenty of permutations for the first team places.

antony

Missed him out of the midfield.

antony

  Iam not sure where I should put this, but I though Gazzas old hunting ground
would be a good place....

   Lazio Rome are playing a friendly game about 15 miles from here on Aug 1st in
a small town pop ca 30,000....  I ordered four tickets yesterday, very
reasonable 11dms, approx 4 pounds st....... It will be Lazios first pre-season
game and they will be there with all there stars, Gazza, Thomas Doll, Karl-Heinz
Riedle, Aron Winter, and some chap from Brazil, as well as two or three Italian
internationals... and Dino Zoff is there trainer.....

   If anyone wants an update on the game, and how Gazza is settling down then I
will send in a small match report... Iam also sure I will get a chance to talk
to Gazza, because the fans are not fenced off..... I'll bring along a MARS bar
for the kid......

                                      

    
    Terry Venables has put Pat Van Den Hauwe and Gudni Bergsson on the
    transfer list.This could be the start of a clear out,with a few others
    to follow.
    
    The Ruddock saga should be settled one way or the other this
    week,it seems he is training with Tottenham at the moment,as in an
    Interview with Darren Anderton in the Express yesterday,he said he was
    one of 4 newcomers at the club who started traing a week early.
    
    Dave...

    Tottenham play Hearts at Tynecastle park on Saturday 27th July.
    
    
    
    SQF Jambo

James Greaves Esq has an article in today's Mirror stating the fact that he 
believes Spurs will go down this season. It seems that "Our Jim" does not 
particularly have an fondness left for his old club and is according to the 
paper not on the best of terms with our chief exec. El Tel. 

This prediction from one of the countries most knowledgeable football pundits 
outside of elton Welsby obviously means black clouds over WHL this season. 

HA HA HA !!!

We must be in for a good season now.

Antony

Well I think the family pressure on Stewart has proven too much to bear 
probably. I know his family have moved back North a while ago and he has 
strange travel and time off arrangements to visit them. Lets hope we can get as 
outrageous a price as possible - a swoop with Utd and Neill Webb is definately 
not what is required. The only trouble is I honestly cannot think of any decent 
midfield players in the league at present that would be targets. 

I think Venables could well go abroad for this replacement! Enzo Schifo please 
Terry. 

antony

    We'll swap you Dean Saunders??
    
    Stew.
    

    
    Spurs are playing Basingstoke 1-Aug.  It will probably be the reserves
    (Basingstokes ;-)),
    
    Loz.

Spurs first team are playing Glenavon the first of August so it will be the 
reserves at Basingstoke. As for Saunders, a good player but our main problem 
area is midfield, unless Venables can get Saunders plus some dosh and then get 
another player. 

Trouble is the market is now totally OTT so we could not afford even an average 
player. I still think if Venables has a target for midfield he will come out of 
Europe.

antony

    
    
      Vinny Samways has apparently asked to be taken of the transfer
    list,so maybe TV has decided to give him another go.Also on Thames news
    last night,Venables said that they are still hopefull Paul Stewart will
    stay at WHL.
      Paper talk yesterday/Today....
         Ruddock will be the knew captain,linking up with Cundy at centre
    back,as Mabbutt is struggling with an injury.
         Livermore/Clemence are very optimistic for the new season,with the
    new players and youngsters coming through,They believe the competition
    for places is very good now,and that can only be good for the club.
      I suppose the team that plays against Hearts on Saturday,will give us
    some idea what the starting line up will be Aug 15th.
    
    Dave...
      
     

I heard Mabbutt was struggling to make the start of the new season. If Stewart
stays I would have thought he would be captain. Maybe that is the indication 
that he's off.

antony 

    
    It looks like Stewart will definatly be off,he apparently wants to find
    a new club in the next 7 days,or as quickly as possible.There are
    reports that TV is trying to set up a swap deal with Teddy
    Sheringham,although I'd be suprised if this goes through as Nottingham
    isnt exactly the North West,and it seemd Stewart wife wants to live in
    that area.
    
    Dave...
    

I also saw the piece in the Sun about Stewart. It certainly seems he has made 
his mind up to go. I think he wants a Manchester or Scouse club as this is the 
area of the country he wants to get back to. Mind you nothing is certain with 
Stewart as exactly the same problem happened last year and it was resolved. I 
really don't see Forest as an option as it's not going where Stewart wants to. 

Sheringham is probably a better choice than Saunders age and price wise although 
I think at the right price either player would be a welcome addition to our 
strike force as I do not see Durie as a twenty five goals a year man. 

However, this really compounds our midfield problem!!!!

Samways has come off the list and Ruddock is favourite to be captain.

antony

    We seem to have this problem every 3/4 months with stewy  , I wish he
    could just make up his mind what / where he wants to be.
    We always seem to get the "homesick" players , remember another sad
    loss in r. gough - never properly replaced , + now the durie story is
    raising its ugly head again.
    
    
    davew.
    btw re: -2 dave wilson - i work with george king, hello.
    

    
    
      Re-1
      
      Hello Dave...
    
      
      Dave...

    
    
    First friendly ended in a 2-1 win at Hearts,two goals for Gordon Durie
    (1 pen).
    
    
    More transfer speculation,Paul Stewart will sign for Liverpool,early
    this week,and Spurs are on the verge of signing Teddy Sheringham,from
    Forest,both deals could go through today.
    
    Dave...

    
    Re Teddy to Spurs....
    
    Is this True? Is the source reliable (hope not! 8-) )
    What sort of price is being mentioned ?
    
    DavidS.
    
    (a depressed Forest Fan if the story is true)
    

    
    Re-1
    
       Maybe he will play tonight,he apparently(according to this mornings
    Sun) flew out yesterday to join up with the other Liverpool players,so
    he must be playing tonight.
    
    Dave...

    Dave,
    
    What radio did you here it on. I looked in the Evening Standard at
    lunchtimne and there was no news. I expect I'll have to wait for later
    editions. The move for Sherringham means that the lad from Gillingham
    is not ready to be thrown into the fray.  
    
    Still does not stop the basic question of who the hell plays in
    midfield, even more so that Stewart has gone and a sad loss it is as he
    was the one guy in the team with a bit of commitment to the cause and
    helped us through many games last season. We have Samwyas of the lisdt
    but I feel that our "creative" players our lacking at the club. That
    doesn't mean buying Neil Webb, in the words of Mike McCabe, founder
    member of the Neil Webb fan club "he's fat. he's round he's not worth
    half a crown, Neil Webb, Neil Webb. If nothing else it jusdt shows how
    old Mike is.
    
    Antony

    Hey it's not so bad - we played most of last season by hoofing the ball
    and missing out the midfield, why bother to spend on players that
    aren't gonna get a kick.
    
    Seriously, Stewie is gonna be badly missed, my player of the year last
    season.  The midfield is really light.  I don't really know much about
    any of the players coming through the youth or reserves, I guess we
    must have faith in TV.  I wouldn't be surprised if he splashes out on a
    glamour boy from the continent.
    
    Read something about Paul Allen going to West Ham in exchange for
    Martin Allen.  Anyone heard about that?
    
    Adrian
    
    

                    <<< Note 45.455 by LARVAE::FERRARO_A >>>
                               -< SHERRINGHAM ! >-

>world's best Under 21's/23's(never remember which) are playing and snatched a 
>bargain but never mind. 

I believe that it is under 22.

Stuart

    
    	Hey, Ant! What's this about Brighton on Wednesday? 
    
    	Fancy a lift in return for a share of the gas? I'll go along with 
    	you if you promise to only talk about football 8-)

    	Andy.

You mean no Man Utd talk then. I'll give you a call.

antony

    
    
       Spurs havent signed Sheringham,He is on tour with Forest in
    Ireland,and negotiations are still going on between Forest and
    Tottenham.We'll probably have to wait until they come back off tour
    until anything further happens.
    
    Dave...

    Stewy had a bit of a nightmare playing for Liverpool last night getting
    booked and scoring an own goal. I hope that if we buy a direct
    replacement for him that we do it pre-season and don't wait until a
    "real" game!!
    
    IMHO Sherringham isn't that good a player so I personally won't be
    disappointed if we don't land him. He plays a lot like Durie from what
    I saw on tv last year even though he did score a few goals. Maybe I'll
    be proved wrong...if its at WHL I'll happily swallow my words.
    
    Any news from the Brighton game Antony?
    
    Jim.

    
    
      Spurs drew 1-1 at Brighton,with Vinny Samways getting the goal.I
    didnt go but according to the Spurs line,Tottenham played very well in
    the first half,and should have been 3 or 4 up at half time.In the
    second half there were 6(?) substitutions,and Spurs didnt play that
    well,and were caught appealing for offside when Brighton scored.
    
       The Sheringham deal is off according to yesterdays Ceefax,Forest
    have pulled out at the last minute due to not being able to get a
    replacemant.
    
    Dave...

    
    	Don't lie, Ferraro, the G-Gs had nothing to do with it 8-) 8-)
    	(self-preservation more like it!!)
    
    	But don't worry, Ant....I won't spill the beans ;-)
    
    	When you going to contact me about the Pompey/Spurs/Villa game?
                                          
    	Andy.

Andy...

Absolutely true, preparing for the gee-gee's with the missus holding a rolling 
pin to my head if I went to the game. I'll settle for the Pompey game on the 
10th at Fratton, KO 7.30pm I reckon toget to the ground by 6pm and a few beers 
in the Rutland Arms and stroll to the gams about 7.25pm.

antony

    
    
    Spurs beat Glenavon 1-0 on Saturday,another goal for Vinny
    Samways,apparently Neil Ruddock picked up an injury,which was thought
    to be serious,but he is ok.
    
    A Spurs XI also beat Basingstoke town 3-1.
    
    Dave...

    Over the weekend Brian Clough was reported to say something like:
    
    "I hope Tottenham don't think we've been messing them about"
    
    concerning the Sherringham deal. As Clough is not hiding the fact
    that he is looking for a striker, this could mean that the clubs could
    yet come to an agreement.
    
    A 1-0 against Glenavon(?) is hardly convincing stuff although Samways
    seems to have his scoring head on. According to some of Sundays papers
    Spurs were quite lethargic and they are hardly likely to set the
    `Premier' League alight. Do we expect them to? 
    
    Hopefully, we still have something up the sleeve...maybe we should have
    put in a bid for Maradona!
    
    Jim.

Well the win on Saturday sets us up for WBA on Monday, Sunderland on Wednesday, 
Watford next Saturday finishing the friendlies off with Portsmouth next Monday 
evening.

Vinnie Samways joint top scorer - things must be bad.

I'll be at Watford and Pompey if anyone fancies the journey down to the south 
coast - I know this nice little boozer.

On Sherringham, Forest are talking about Saunders of Stewartpool and the Smith 
of Arsenal as a replacement so a solution all round, I think, will happen 
before the season starts. Apparently the situation for Sherringham is the same 
as Stewart and Gough but in this case his family want to come back to London. 

antony

    
    
       Spurs beat West Brom 2-0 last night with goals from John Hendry and
    Nayim.
       Although its nothing spectacular,atleast we are unbeaten so far in
    the pre-season games.
    
    Dave...

Good to see John Hendry playing as I rate him. I forgot about Nayim totally. He
can play really well as per semi and final FA cup 91, but more usually gets 
himself tangled up.

The show rolls on to Sunderland tomorrow.

Can't wait for the season to start.

antony

    
    
    From the reports I have seen in the papers over the last couple of
    weeks Nayim seems to be playing well at the moment...or maybe its the
    lower class opposition that he's been facing.
    
    As regards Hendry, I agree with you Antony. Maybe it's time to give him
    a run in the first team. After all he's been with us a while and could
    hardly expect to push Lineker out last season.
    
    Jim.
    
    ps. If anyone is going to Watford on Saturday, drop me a mail or
    something as I'll probably go.
    
    
     

    
     Really bad news in the Mail this morning,Spurs are thought to be one
     of the teams bidding for Dion Dublin,I would prefer Teddy Sheringham
     to him,lets hope the latest news on the Spurs line about Spurs not
     being after a striker now the Sheringham deal APPEARS to be off is
     correct.Lets hope he hurries up and signs for Chelsea,he will fit in
     well down at the Bridge with all the other Jones Clones and nags that
     graze on the pitch on Saturdays.
    
     Dave...

Please no. Keep the cart horses in the other areas of London. 

I'll hoping to get to Watford on Saturday afternoon but still not 100% yet.
Looking forward to seeing the team in action, however the only real benefit of 
these matches in respect of winning them is just the build up of confidence. The 
real test starts 15th August down in my neck of the woods. I think we have every 
chance of achieving a good result from Southampton.

antony

    
    Any truth in the rumour that Venabils is after Ian Ferguson of
    Rangers?
    
    
    

    
    
       Good news in the latest pre-season at Sunderland last night.Spurs
    won 3-0 with a hatrick from Darren Anderton.Its all going well at the
    moment.
    
    
    Dave...

    According to the Mail Spurs' `sweeping moves were a joy to watch'. 
    Very encouraging news.  Unfortunatly I'm going to miss the first match,
    but I'll be at the first home game.  Can't wait.
    
    Adrian

I think that Dion Dublin's move to Old Transfer looks like going through, 
Phew!!! Lets hope this does not mean another rush of blood to El Tel's head 
and in particular a silly money offer for Mark Hughes.

Antony 

    
    
      Spurs beat Watford 1-0 on Saturday,with Neil Ruddock getting the only
    goal,and according to the papers,had a really good game.
      Anyone go ???
    
    Dave...

I went to Watford Saturday and thought that overall the team looked OK. It was 
obvious that no one wanted to be injured with the new season only a week away 
but when we played we moved the ball around well although there was a tendancy 
for over elaboration. 

The team that started was

				Thorsvedt

				Ruddock(c)
	Edinburgh 					Mitchell
				Cundy

				Howells
	Nayim						Allen
				Samways

		Anderton			Hendrie

There were numerable substitutions at half time, with lots of younsters coming 
on in the second half and actually injecting a bit of will to win in the 
performance.

The defence looked fairly secure with Ruddock outstanding at the back. It looks 
like the idea of giving him the captaincy might be a good thing.

I'll be at Pompey tonight, but the important game is Saturday.

Antony

    
    
    Antony...
    
      How did Austin and Anderton look to you,I caught a report on the game
     on Capital Gold on Saturday,and they said that Anderton really is
    looking the part.Looking at the line up,Durie will obviously come in on
    Saturday,and unless a signing is made this week,Hendry will probably
    partner him in attack.Reports in yesterdays papers say that the
    Sheringham deal is back on,as long as Clough can get a replacement,and
    Spurs could also go for Dean Saunders this week if the Sheringham deal
    isnt completed.
    
      Good to see not many goals being conceeded in the pre seasons,maybe
    Cundy and Ruddock have started a solid base that the team can be built
    around.What happens when Mabbutt is fit in a couple of weeks ???
    
      Dave...

I thought Anderton had a quiet game Saturday, in fact I thought he looked a bit 
in awe of it all, but maybe it was just a reaction to his performance v 
Sunderland, I definitely think his role is wide in the midfield and supporting 
the front two as against playing as one of the front two.. I thought the 
midfield looked smooth but lacked that killer touch, plus although I rate 
Hendry I think he needs building up a bit to cope in the premier division. I 
think it will be difficult for Mabbutt to regain his place easily, if anyone 
goes it will be Cundy, I must say that although it was only a friendly Ruddock 
really looked the part. I think his stint at Southampton and struggling in the 
first division have added real determination to his game since he was at Spurs. 
I think that the strenghening of our front line is required but was disapointed 
not to see the signing Beadle from Gillingham play and the young Irish lad. 

antony

Generally not much to write home about. I think that the result mattered much 
more to Pompey and Walshy, who looked extremely sharp, in particular. The first 
half saw us again playing without a recognised striker and it definitely 
counted against us. Walsh with a penalty, even the Portsmouth fans didn't think 
was one, and a late second goal close to half time.

				Thorsvedt

				Ruddock
	Sedgeley					Youngster		
				Cundy

				Howells
	Gray						Allen
				Samways

		Anderton			Youngster

Lots of changes at half time, saw us draw level 2-2, two for Samways, then a 
second penalty and a late fourth from another ex spurs Shaun Murray finished 
the evening off. I think Pompey look a useful side and could well be playing 
against us in the premier next season.

Still, Onwards and upwards and into the important games. I think Venables will 
get someone up front before the end of the week as Durie's absence has showed a 
real hole in the side. For this reason I was disappointed not to see Beadle and 
McMahon playing at all. I still feel the midfield lacks that spark as Samways 
is good but tends to delay releasing the ball too long and Gray, well, is 
really not Tottenham class. Saying that two or three of the youngsters who came 
on in the second half looked more than useful.

antony

    Well I made a last minute dash down, shame I didn't spot you Antony.
    
    Ruddock looks like a very good buy, definate captain material in
    defence and useful coming forward for corners.  Samways played much
    better than anything he did last season, but we relied totally on him
    for creating our attacks which seems a bit risky.  I hope his
    confidence doesn't go when he gets back to the lane.
    
    I was very dissapointed in Anderton, he never really got into the game.
    
    We did look lightweight up front.
    
    Adrian
    
    PS.  The fourth goal was never a penalty, the foul was outside the box.

    
    Have I missed the boat or has Paul Walsh left WHL. Where has
    he gone ? Pompey ?
    
    JN.

    Yep, in part-exchange for Daren Anderton.
    
    Adrian

    
    I'm suprised that he didn't go to another Premiere division
    team. Wasn't anybody interested ? I've always rated Walsh
    as a good player who had to sit in the wings at WHL while
    Lineker and Nayim were playing.
    
    I can appreciate his frustration last season.
    
    JN.

    I always rated Walsh when he was at Liverpool, but unfortunately, he
    had the same problem there, with Rush and Dalglish in his way...
    Then, when he was given a season up front with Rush, he never really
    produced the goods...
    
    I reckon he'll do well for Pompey.
    
    Stew.
    

    I think he is best used as a Sub.
    He cant seem to keep up that vibrant zest for a full 90 mins , He is
    best used to come on in 2half to run at a tiring opposition.
    He is therefore best to be considered as a squad player rather than
    first XI.
    I agree with -1 though - He will be missed @whl.
    
    dw.

    
      Not the best of results last night,still overall the pre-season went
    quite well.
      
      Down to business on Saturday at Southampton,then two home games v 
    Coventry and Palace.Nine points will set us up well for the trip to
    Leeds.
    
     I woudnt be suprised if Robert Fleck joins Spurs this week,as Chelsea
    have spent there allowance from Bates for the summer on Mick Harford
    and some kid from Rangers.It will be interesting to see what the line
    up will be on Saturday....
    
                                  Thorsvedt
    
           Austin        Cundy           Ruddock         Edingburgh
    
                        Gray      Samways    Howells
    
                                 Anderton (which side does he play on)
    
    
                        new signing       Durie 
    
    
      We definatly need another striker,as Hendry and Beadle dont look
    like they have really taken the chance to establish themselves as a
    first team regular.personally I would prefer Fleck to Sheringham,and
    Saunders to both of them.Saunders was supposed to have had a bad season
    last year,23 goals.....???
    
    Dave...
       

    re .-1
    
    >>Anderton (which side does he play on)
    
    Meybe his best position would be in the middle behind two front men as
    Waddle did in 88-89. Personally, I HATE Dean Saunders as he always
    seems to score against us so he would probably score own goals!!
    
    According to the papers the Sheringham deal is back on as Venners has
    re-opened negotiations. Not sure if this is good or bad.
    
    Pompey putting four past us isn't a good sign for our ever shaky
    defence. I hope the south coast doesn't hit us again on Saturday.
    
    Jim.

    
    Antony..
    
      Is Saunders 29.......?????????,I thought he was about 27.I would
    agree with you if he is 29,although I still think as an out and out
    goalscorer,he would be a better bet than Sheringham or Fleck.
      Fleck seems a good consistant performer,who always seems to get about
    20 goals a season.
      I'm still not convinced Sheringham is the answer to our goalscoring
    problems,but if we sign him I'll be more than pleased if he proves me
    wrong.
    
    Dave... 

    
    Saunders has just turned 28
    Fleck is 27 today
    Sheringham is 26
    
    
    ....just when you thought I'd lost my Rothmans, Paneso
    
    Rob (aspiring to Cunno's factual accuracies)

    of course all this could and should have been sorted out last season .
     The management knew the Lynx was off + Ian Wright came on the market 
    	at 2 Million - We should have pinched him then + there - He will
    	score goals any/everywhere - even in goonersville.
    
    I think out of Sherringham + Fleck I'd prefer Sherringham.
    
    dw.

We got the Wright Man .8^)

Ha, ha.

Mick - so happy with pompey last nite.

    Yes but how long will it be b4 gg swaps ian wright for another centre
    half cos i reckon he hasnt got enuff of those in his squad :-) :-)

My apologies to Mr Saunders but I could have sworn I read somewere that he was 
29. Never mind my fault for believing the super soaraway.

I vote for me, a proven scorer in the City of Southampton Sunday morning 
league, Premier division(Ladies Hockey)!!!

Antony

    Spurs drew one each with Enfield last night with Andy Gray scoring to
    "save Tottenhams blushes". 
    
    In yesterdays Mirror Sir Alf Ramsay called on Terry Venables to become
    the next England Manager. It would have to be part-time though!
    
    Looks like we'll have to go for Sheringham now with Fleck joining
    Chelsea last night for 2.1mill. Over-priced anyhow.
    
    Jim.

    
    
    Story in todays Mirror 
    
    
    	"Spurs to sign Gallacher "
    
    
    
    He would be an excellent buy for us I feel.
    
    
    comments ?

    If the Sun is telling the truth (:-)) then Chelsea have bought 4
    forwards in three days. 
    
    I have seen Gallacher play a few times and do rate him as a player,
    unfortunately he is not a real goalscorer. I think he's more of a 14-15
    a season man. I think our options are limited now though as I've heard
    nothing about Saunders or Sheringham for a few days. We may have to
    rely on what we've got for the moment. I presume this means Hendry or
    Beadle or A.N.Other.
    
    I reckon we'll get a result at the Dell anyway. I hope so.
    
    Jim.

    
    
    Well we are off to a flying start with a 0-0 at Southampton.Spurs didnt
    play very well apparently,only creating one clear chance,but in the ned
    were lucky to hang on for a point.Still we didnt conceed any
    goals,Ruddock was supposed to be outstanding.
      Seeing Teddy Sheringham yesterday,it wouldnt be a bad thing if we
    signed him,he played well yesterday,and scored a blinder.According to
    todays press,he wants Tottenham to sign him....we'll see what
    happens,but we need a goal scorer quickly.
    
     Dave...

Very impressed with Edward Sheringham, his goal was excellent and his overall 
play was extremely tidy and I feel he would fit very well into the Spurs set 
up. His reaction in today's paper is that he wants to play for Spurs and there 
was also a press piece in a sunday tabloid with Ray Clemence that said that we 
were still very interested in Sheringham. We were apparently fortunate to get a 
point and Ruddock played very weel at the back with Cundy, why the hell is 
Fenwick playing. Anderton had a very quiet game. Lets keep patience with him as 
I'm sure he will come good.

A win on Wednesday evening would be very nice.

Finally I was very impressed with the BSkyB coverage of this weekends games.

Our first televised game is Ipswich Away on the 30th.

antony 

    
    
      I was very dissapointed to see Fenwicks name in the starting line
    up,with Austin on the Bench.Hopefully this is only a temporary measure
    and Austin will start on Wednesday v Coventry.
    
    Dave Woodward
    
      Did George mention wednesday night to you...???
    
    Dave...

    Anyone...
    
    Who is Turner who started the game on Saturday? Why did we pay 900K for
    Andy Gray if he can't get into the side because of someone unheard of?
    Why the HELL hasn't anyone damaged Fenwick permanently?
    
    Is Erik injured or not match fit or has Walker become no.1 choice
    goalkeeper now?
    
    Jim.

    
    
    Thank u moderator for setting my note hidden - I didnt realise Terry
    Fenwick was a moderater !!!! - I do apologise if my note caused
    offense.
    
    
    re : dave wilson - I'll be outside Antwerp Arms from 18:00 wed. nite.
    	 Glen knows me. c u there.

    
    
      Notts Forest have said that Teddy Sheringham wont be going
    anywhere,so it looks like we wont be signing him,at the moment
    anyway.They cant find a replacement,as the Arse dont want to sell
    Smith to Forest.
    
    Dave...

    Who is going to the game tomorrow? 
    
    I'm going on my own so if anyone can put up with having a couple of
    pre-match jars with a fellow spurs noter, can you let me know what pub
    you are going to be at and what time.
    
    I'll be standing in the Paxton Road end for the first time as I've
    always been a Park Lane bod up to now. I'm a new member - can I stand
    on the "shelfette" or is that Season tickets only?
    
    Jim.

    I'm going but I can't guarentee getting there in time for a drink.  Let
    me know if anything gets arranged and I'll see what I can do. I'm
    going on Saturday tho' and I can get there early for that one.
    
    'fraid the Shelf is season ticket holders only.  Fool that I am, that's
    where I'll be.
    
    Come on you Spurs.
    
    Adrian

    
     Iam going aswell,but I cant gaurantee what time I'll be getting there
    as Iam getting a lift with a mate,and he's not sure what time he's
    picking me up yet,but  we are meeting Dave Woodward in the
    Antwerp Arms at some time before the game,but if it will be in time to
    have a drink is doubtful as we dont finish work in time.
    
    Dave...

Let's make this short and sweet:

I have some relatives going over to england for the spurs Vs loony'pool game
in october.

Now i rang the ticket office and they said the tickets will be out late sept
(either 21 or 31 cant remember). What Id like to know is where in the stadium 
would it be good to watch the game? The ticket price range was 12,14(i think),
17.5,18.5,19.5 So which prices corresponds to the sugguestion that you'll mention.


Thanks,

Mick. (who supports the ONLY team in LONDON & its not this ONE either!!)

    Mick,
    
    The most expensive seats are the ones to go for 'cos they don't face
    the pitch. ;-) 
    
    It must be terrible to be lumbered with such loony relatives.

    Match Report on last night V Coventry.
    
    Spurs were total cr*p. Not only did we lose but we didnt ever create
    anything , there was nothing there - no team.
    
    The only players that looked like they were trying was Ruddock,Gray and
    Paul Allen (once Anderton - a complete passenger - had got out of his
    position.) Anderton - I cant actually remember him touching the ball in
    the whole game for anything more than 2-3 seconds. He also pushed Paul
    Allen into the midfield role 'cos he wanted to play an out and out
    Right winger so he negated mssr. Allen .
    
    Our friend Fenwick was starting everything at the back (so you can
    imagine how bad it was) but just like last yr. he took another player
    out cas they had to cover him.
    
    I didnt recog. the short haired no. 7 - he played ok but really we just
    looked *scrappy* - a sad thing to say about a Spurs side.
    
    As for subbing ian walker @ h-t - what a joke , the implication being
    that the keeper was at fault for the goals. Their first was gifted by
    our defence, we actually trapped a corner on the goal line for their 
    postman to poke it in and the second was when postie ran thru (very
    fast) and buried it.
    
    
    Its gonna be a *real* tough time this yr.

    I'll second .515.  We were p*ss poor.  Did we really want to win?  It
    didn't look like it.
    
    Howells in particular had a terrible first half, he got better in the
    second when he drifted out of the game completely.  Samways and Ruddock
    were the best for me.  Is Anderton playing out of position, he doesn't
    look like a good partner for Durie, I'd rather see Hendry up front with
    Anderton playing behind them - we certainly need more than Vinny in
    trying to create moves in midfield.
    
    I think Walker went off injured.  He was holding his side for most of
    the first half (after the first goal).
    
    I have to disagree about Gray tho'.  He was terrible.
    
    Things can only get better.  The formation pre-match warm up looked
    good!
    
    A win over Palace on Saturday might be a nice idea.
    
    Adrian

    Re .515
    
    Have to agree entirely about us being total cr@p. I was very
    disappointed not even to see the odd flash of skill from Anderton.
    Ruddock was about the only player visably giving 100% although I
    thought that Samways looked better than he has for a long time (ie
    stronger and more confident on the ball)
    
    Walker was substituted at half time because of injury (side-strain
    according to Today) and we were unlucky to lose Cundy after about 45
    seconds. Howells didn't have a clue trying to play at centre back. In
    the second half it looked like Allen was playing right-back trying to
    cover Fenwick...even his team-mates don't trust him.
    
    We either need to sign a striker or at least play another one very soon
    or I can't see us scoring for a long time. I was hoping that at h-t
    Hendry would be brought on but Walker put paid to that. 
    
    I couldn't believe thr Coventry player wasn't sent off for mucous-
    mashing Durie even though he did make a meal of it. `Who's the w***ker
    in the green' doesn't have the same ring to it does it :-)
    
    It IS going to be tough this year.
    
    Jim.

    
     So on Saturday,the idea of playing Anderton up front with Durie will
    be dropped and either Hendry or Beadle will get a chance,neither of
    them can do any worse.Anderton is under alot of pressure without the
    added burden of trying to suddenly become a goal scorer,he wasnt
    regarded as being a goalscorer at Pompey anyway.
    
    While the dynamic duo are at it they can bring Dean Austin into the
    team in place of Terry Fenwick.
    
    I hope so......
    
    Rumours that Spurs are going for John Fashanu.
    
    Dave...

Dave,

Please tell me your joking.

To be honest I wasn't too impressed with Austin in the friendlies I saw but he 
cannot be worse then TF. Bergsson would be a much better choice. 

I will not be abe to get to any games till Man Utd.

antony

    Well it seems like its unanimous throughout spurs notes - something has
    to be done about Fenwick.
    
    I'm prepared to risk my entire future for the good of the club so if
    anyone can supply me with his address, habits and regular comings and
    goings I'll do it. A few years in pokey is quite appealing compared
    with X-years in Division One :-)
    
    And while we're at it, does anyone know what nightclub Howells is going
    to this Saturday?
    
    Jim.

>I have some relatives going over to england for the spurs Vs loony'pool game
>in october.

>Now i rang the ticket office and they said the tickets will be out late sept
>(either 21 or 31 cant remember). What Id like to know is where in the stadium 
>would it be good to watch the game? The ticket price range was 12,14(i think),
>17.5,18.5,19.5 So which prices corresponds to the sugguestion that you'll mention.


Lads,
	My Mum's one of them going to the game, so if i dont deliver the goods
i'm history!!!!!


Thanks for the help

	Mick.

    West Stand Upper    19.00
    West Stand Lower    17.00
          (This is the stand along the side of the pitch with the tunnel
           and the dugout - the one seen on tv.  I'd go for the lower tier
    	   as a lot of the upper is season ticket holders and the best
           seats will have gone.  Ask for ones near the Liverpool end)
    South Stand Upper   14.00
    South Stand Lower   10.00
          (Behind the visitors goal)
    East Stand Upper    18.00
    East Stand Lower    12.00
          (Same comments as for the West Stand)
    
    I think tickets will go on sale on the 31st of Sept - one month
    before the match.
    
    Enjoy.
    
    Adrian

    Mick,
    
    According to Saturday's program, tickets for the Man U game go on sale
    on Sept 14th..
    
    Adrian
    

    Anyone at the game who could give us a match report? 
    
    I only saw the clips on MotD. Ruddock unlucky to be sent off and
    Sedgeleys goal was hilarious.
    
    Jim.

Well a last minute decision meant an early season visit to see the new look 
Spurs in action. I thought we started quite brightly. The referee started to 
give free kicks on everything right from the word go. Cristal Palace looked 
like they were going to use these opportunities as their main attacks and so it 
turned out throughout the game. 

We opened the scoring with a good goal, good play from Sideways and finished 
off by Durie. Palace continued to look threatening with the set pieces but their 
only resort in open play was the punt over the top of our defenders. I actually 
thought our defence did not look bad but from a free kick we lost concentration 
and McGoldrick stole in to equalise. This led to typical heads down from Spurs 
and resulted in a variety of free kicks in and around the Spurs half all of 
which were pommelled into the area. From one of these Fenwick extremely clumsily  
jumped into a Palace attacker, penalty. The penalty was smacked at Erik and the 
pace of the ball from his save pushed it out past the oncoming melee of players. 
By this time their were a number of niggly fouls, slanging matches starting, all 
of which the referee did not seem to control. 

Typical example was a free kick given to Spurs sixteen yards out of the Palace 
goal for steps by Martyn. There was no way the wall was 10 yards back and this 
was eventually punished by a yellow card after Samways dummied the ball and the 
wall encroached to about 6-7yds away. Sawmays repeated this exercise and was 
then booked by the ref who seemed to ignore the fact the wall was creeping back 
again. The free kick was taken with the wall about 7-8 yds away. 

Second half started as the first finished with Spurs playing most of the 
football but Palace looked dangerous from set pieces with continued niggle over 
most challenges. This was heightened when with Andy Gray coming on as sub his 
first touch was met with a kick from behind by Thomas who looked totally out of 
sorts throughout the game. This then meant a mass beating of chests and handbag 
fight between about 12- 13 players.

Then we had the sendings off. Ruddock put in a terrific tackle on Thorn and was 
quickly up to recover his position and stumbled over/past the recovering Thorn. 
Thorn then went chasing after him and slapped him across the back of the neck to 
which the ref and about ten players started arguing and Ruddock/Thorn were sent 
off, all of which killed the game of as a serious encounter. Another free kick 
about twelve mins from time was again meet with a Palace player stealing in 2 - 
1. I thought that was it and proceeded to get as close to the exit as I could 
whilst continuing to watch the game, Spurs pressure was rewarded with a scrappy 
but very welcome goal from Sedgeley. Full time 2-2. 

I terms of plus's/minus's for Spurs then

	Plus's

Anderton and Samways linked well in midfield. Anderton looked more confident as 
the game progressed. I thought Ruddock looked OK at the back, he needs a good 
partner - Cundy/Mabbutt.

Erik, Allen, Duris had solid games.

We fought back and equalised when last season we would have rolled over and 
died.

	Minus's

Continued susceptibility to set pieces, corners
Fenwick
Lack of Partner up front to Durie

The big thing this game has done is change my opinion that our most important 
position to sort out is a striker to partner Durie, someone to score goals, put 
away the chances as we were creating good situations.

Antony

    A much better performance in all areas on Saturday.  Although scoring
    in the last two minutes makes it seem like we were a bit lucky to get a
    point, it was the least we deserved.  Palace really don't have much
    idea, but then that didn't stop Coventry humiliating us.
                                                
    Anderton looked like a different player playing behind the front two,
    instead of being one of them.  He got better as the match went on and
    had a couple of goal attempts.
    
    Hendry played up front with Durie, in the absence of anyone else I'd
    give him a spell in the team.  Overall we looked much more balanced and
    capable.
    
    I know it's been said before (and will probably be said again), but
    Fenwick is really a liability.  He was caught out of position several
    times, and when he was in position he was next to useless.  Still it
    looks like we'll be stuck with him until Cundy and/or Mabbutt are back.
    
    I presume we'll be without Ruddock (another excellent game on Sat) for
    tomorrow against Leeds, otherwise I would have said we'd be good for a
    point up there.
    
    Adrian
                                                   

    
     I think Ruddock plays tonight,his one game ban wont be for another
    couple of games.We dont have a bad record at Leeds but I hope we dont feel
    a backlash from the Leeds performance on Saturday.I'll be well happy
    with a point,and a win would be brilliant.
    
     There was a report in the Daily Mirror yesterday that said Forest will
    now sell Sheringham to Spurs,as long as Gary Mabbutt is part of the
    deal.
    
    Dave...

I think that might not be a bad move dependant on the price, could we also give 
them Fenwick.

The only thing about Leeeds is if they decide to turn it on after their result 
on saturday. If Cundy comes back and Austin replaces Fenwick we can get at 
least a draw.

    
    Re last 2
    
    How true is this Mabbutt - Sheri thing. Also, how old is Mabbutt ? I've
    always rated him and reckon Forest could benefit from the deal as he
    will help provide a bit of bite and solidity to the defence as well as
    much needed experience at centre back for the youngsters to feed on. 
    He's also not a bad midfielder so he's comfortable on the ball which forest
    definitely need when coming out on the counter. however, it'll probably
    only happen if we get another striker (smith??) to replace sheri. Maybe
    after his performance on Saturday Cloughies thinking of popping
    Bannister in as the replacement and releasing an unhappy sheri to
    return to london ???
    
    Any thoughts ???
    
    DavidS.
    

    
    re-1
    
    How true is it ?????
    
    It was in the tabloid press,so it might or might not be true...who
    knows.
    
    Mabbutt has just turned 31 I think.
    
    
    There is alot of competition for the two centre back positions now,with
    Ruddock,Cundy,Tuttle and Mabbutt.I would think Ruddock is a definate
    starter.Mabbutt might not find it that easy to force his way back into
    the side.
    
    It could happen IMO,it depends how desperate TV is to get a striker.
    
    Dave...

    
    5-0
    
    Its early days yet,but this is a disaster.We are struggling to say the
    least.
    
    Dave...

    A bit of a nightmare to say the least.  Fenwick wasn't even in team so
    we haven't got that excuse.  Sounds like we were completely outplayed.
    
    It looks like it's gonna be one of those seasons; generally average
    results with the odd 'mare and goodie thrown in to keep things
    interesting.  However, I predict wins over the Arse and Chelsea for a
    change.
    
    The team is still finding its feet and I think we're too good to down,
    but we need to get a couple of wins under our belts and keep ourselves
    out of the bottom 6.
    
    Adrian
    

    
    	Don't kid yourself about being "too good to go down".
    
    	Many sides with that attitude have had a rude awakening, and 
    	without St.Gary's goals this season and losing Stewart you're 
    	going to struggle.
    
    	Three go down this year. Southampton are favourites, but picking
    	two more could be tricky - there don't appear to be any other
    	obvious contenders. Look out....
    
    	Andy.
  

    There are a lot of average teams in the so-called "Premier"
    League, this year we will be one of them, but the potential is
    definately there for better things.
    
    At the moment the team has yet to really gel (which is why we didn't
    beat Coventry and Palace), but it will and we'll pick up enough points
    along the way.
    
    Adrian

    I'm sorry but I have to agree with -2, I fear the worst.
    
    Peter

I think that Sunday is crucial to our season in respect of seeing how the team 
moral is. Both Arsenal and Leeds(hourts me to say it) have shown that they have 
the guts and determination to come back from bad results. Lets hope we can do 
the same. On Durie I think the need for a top class striker is even more crucial 
if Durie is found guilty.

Come on you Spurs!(Please)

Antony

    Well...I'm coming to the end of my time at Digital so I'm gonna enter
    my last note in here and its not a very happy one :-(
    
    It must be a few years since Spurs conceded five without replying (1-5
    v Wimbledon is about as bad as I can recall) and I have to agree with
    the last few notes implying that we're gonna struggle. Remember, last
    year we struggled even with the Goalden One knocking 'em in.
    
    My view isn't just because of last nights result either. I saw us play
    Coventry (which is where I'll be living soon, incidentally) and was
    suprised at how little we created and how poor our forward line was.
    This was emphasised when Hendry was brought in on Saturday, had little
    effect and was subbed.
    
    We need a striker big-time. Maybe someone with a lot of experience
    would be a good idea as we do have a very young side. 
    
    I hope and believe that we will survive relegation but its going to be
    a real grind. I see Southampton, Wimbledon and Coventry taking the
    drop, but we'll be around there I think. I bloody hope not though. 
    
    Its all very well buying for the future but we've gotta
    survive the present aswell.
    
    Cheers folks and long live Spurs
    
    Jim. 

    Jim,
    
    I'm sorry to see you go, especially as you are a regular contributor to
    this topic.
    
    Where are you going and what will you be doing?
    
    Best Wishes for the future,
    
    John

Jim, a star contributor in our mammoth thrashing of the Arsenal 5asiders in 
June as we released our dynamic goalie who then went to torment the opposition 
goal.

Give me a call on 0256 37 1176 close to the Lazio game as we'll try to get a 
group for the game, otherwise save it till next noters 5aside.

Good Luck, make sure you don't get any silly accents whilst you're up there, 
sorry John Springall,

Antony

    
    
    I believe we have drawn Brentford in the Coca-Cola Cup,the first leg is
    at home.Ipswich live on SKY on Sunday,we really need a result.Then we
    play Sheff Utd at home on Tuesday.We are currently second from
    bottom,although that will change when we beat Ipswich and t'blades.
    
    Dave...

    
    Your optimism is to be admired, Dave.

    
    I've heard that Forest and Spurs have agreed on a fee for Sheringham.
    He will sign for 2.1 million. Anyone confirm this?

    
    On CNN news this morning it was said that the deal should be
    going through today, Sheringham will coming to White Hart Lane
    for 2.1 million..
    
    ANDY....B
    

    Good news.  According to the back of someone's paper on the train
    this morning, Venners is hoping to have the deal signed in time for
    Sherringham to play on Sunday.  The contract is for four years.
    
    On the face of it, it looks like a good move, a good partner for Durie
    and it also means we wont be left without an experienced striker if the
    head-butting-one decides to head back to Scotland.  I still hope to see
    Hendry in the side getting a feel for first team football (as a sub, or
    covering for injuries and suspensions) as I think he's done well in the
    little I've seen.
    
    In the next week we've got Ipswich away, then Sheff Utd and Everton at
    home.  None of them easy matches, but we need 5 or 6 points badly.
    
    Adrian
    

    re : head butter.
    
    I was at the game at it did look to me like Durie feigned injury.
    
    He says the video clears him but if it does - why havent we seen it ?
    
    It was getting very scrappy at the time of the incident but I really do
    find it hard to "take on board" (excuse the americanism) the fact that
    one of our players would do such a thing.
    
    
    Anyone else see the event clearly ????

    
    Ipswich 1  Spurs 1
               Cundy
    
    
    A point gained really,Ipswich dominated the game really,with Spurs
    playing on the break.Jason Cundy scored the luckiest goal of the
    season,when clearing a ball just over the halfway line it flew into the
    net.Ipswich equalised when John Wark ran onto a through ball and looped
    it over Walker.
    
      The defence still looked dodgy at times,although they are starting to
    get it together.I was impressed with Dean Austin,he had a good game
    imo,as did Cundy.We look lightweight in midfield,and personally I
    would prefer to see Andy Gray in midfield than Steve Sedgley,as a ball
    winner.Darren Anderton was very quite.Teddy Sheringham did ok,his first
    touch is excellent.
    
     Sheff Utd on Wed,and hopefully our first win of the season.
    
    Dave...

    To the first Spurs fan who hasn't been to derogatory about Man United,
    the Spurs vs Moscow Torpedo program, played 16th Nov 1959. I picked
    this 2 page prog up at a local car boot sale.
    
    Mail me at above if interested.

    Todays Sun says Spurs are trying to offload Andy gray already. 
    
    Can anyone confirm/clarify ???

    nice to see Former Forest Favourite Edward "Teddy" Sheringham score on
    his "home debut",a steal at 2.1 million and a guaranteed top class
    player!!!!
    
    
    
    
    M.J. a dejected Forest fan

    
    Tottenham 2  Sheff Utd
    Sheringham
    Durie
    
    
    A much better all round performance last night,against a very poor
    Sheff Utd team.Ruddock had a fine game again,marking Brian Deane out
    of the game,although Deane is a good player,he was a different class to
    the rest of the Sheff Utd team last night.
      Spurs went ahead just before half time,when the impressive
    Sheringham poked in a low cross from Paul Allen(I think) from about 5
    yards.Durie got the second right after half time when he intercepted a
    back pass,but was forced wide by the keeper chasing he out towards the
    touchline,Durie just went round the keeper and curled it into the
    corner.Just to sum up his night,the keeper got sent off,after he tried
    to dribble the ball out of the penalty area,eneded up giving away a
    throw in,and then dived on Andy Gray to stop him taking it before he
    got back in Goal.He had been booked earlier.
      Its only one win,but hopefully it will be something to build on,there
    were signs that things are definatly coming together last
    night,although Darren Anderton found it hard to get into the game
    again.He is going to need plenty of time to adjust to the premier
    league.
    
    Everton on Saturday.
    
    Dave...

Well we doubled our tally of wins for the season on Saturday. I heard 
commentary of the game on Radio 5 and we were clearly outplayed in the first 
half but through our newly found fighting quality we came back into the game 
and snatched it at the death.

Good confidence booster for Andy Turner. We suffered severe critism for 
our defence which when you think we are missing Ruddock and Mabbutt from our 
defence perhaps there is a little more hope. After Sherrigham's signing we need 
to finalise the plan in midfield, Anderton needs time to settle but we do not 
have the midfield with sufficient quality to finish the team off, lets hope 
we've got a couple of talented younsters in the background ready to shine. 
Still no sign of our summer signings, Beadle and McMahon.

Coventry next game, which I believe is live on Sky next Monday night. Revenge 
please.

Antony

    A couple of good wins last week that will have boosted confidence
    amongst the players.  It was certainly good leaving the ground on
    Saturday, especially when they announced the result from Selhurst Park.
    
    Hopefully the defensive problems are just lack of experience playing
    together as individually they are pretty good. (Teenage Mutant Ninja)
    Tuttle and Austin played well on Saturday and we'll need them 'cos
    Ruddock doesn't seem to have learnt much: he got himself booked on
    Wednesday for stupidly kicking the ball away after a free kick had been
    awarded.
    
    Sherringham is going to be worthwhile buy, he's a good all round
    striker and was laying off some good balls on Saturday. 
    
    I don't understand the way Samways is playing.  He can really worry
    defences coming forward and setting up one-twos but he (and the rest of
    the middle 4) don't get forward in time to support Durie and
    Sherringham.  We're going to have to be patient with Anderton who seems
    reluctant to get involved, but the crowd (well the Shelf anyway) don't
    seem willing to give Samways the same time.  Venables said that he's
    never seen such talent emerging through the youth ranks, so I'd expect
    to see Jeff Minton and Turner making a few more appearances this season
    if the current regulars don't shape up.
    
    Does anyone else think that all this pre-match entertainment is a
    steaming load of .... ?  Do they really think people wake up on a
    Saturday morning and say `Oh goodie, the Searchers are doing the
    pre-match at Spurs today, I think I'll go and boogie down to that hip
    bunch of crazy funsters'.  NOT!  The reason people go to WHL is to
    hopefully see Spurs play great football and stuff the opposition at the
    same time.
    
    Alan Sugar, get a life.
    
    Adrian (arriving at the ground at 2:55 from now on..)
    
    

    Well, at least they're making an effort to do something extra for the
    fans.  I, for one, appreciate the fact they're thinking about them.
    
    If only we could get a bit more entertainment on the pitch, bring back
    Hoddle, Waddle and Gazza!
    
    Stevo

I can never understand why we don't have a youth game before the main game, 
say from twelve thirty till just after two in the afternoon. I suppose the 
pitch couldn't take it. It would be good to see the stars of tomorrow on 
display plus great experience for the players.

antony

    
    I agree with Adrian about the defence,individually they are all
    good,but I think it's the system Venables/Livermoore and Clemence
    persist with.I believe they use the Zonal marking system at the
    back,when surely it would be better for the back 4 just to mark men,and
    I wish they wouldnt stick so ridigley to the offside game,it was badly
    exposed on Saturday,as already noted,we would have been slaughtered if
    it wasnt for Walker.Ruddock is paying for his reputation,there's no
    doubt he is a good player.
      Durie and Sheringham look good together,and Beardsley should be in
    the England squad.
    
    Dave...

    Darren Anderton scored the only goal in the England U21's win against
    Spain last night.Maybe this will be the spark he needs.According to
    press reports this morning Ian Walker had another brilliant
    game,keeping England in the game.
    
    Dave...

    Adrian,
    
    You've upset me now.... I didn't know the Searchers were on.  I arrived
    5 minutes into the game and must of missed them.
    
    D*m and Blast.
    
    Peter

It's all a warm up to the the "BIG" event at the lan this year,

Terry "Julio Iglesias" Venables makes his first live UK appearance since his 
days singing at the Hammersmith Palais to bolster his Chelsea income.

Singing such favourites as :

"Who wants to be a millionaire" - Lifetime favourite 
"Big Spender" 	 
"Money's too tight to mention" - Last years hit single

with his big finale tracks 

"Arriverderci GAZZA"

Least that's what I heard

Antony

    
    
    We have 4 difficult games ahead,which will probably go along way to
    telling us what sort of season we are in for.We play Coventry on Monday
    night(live on Sky) followed by Man Utd at Home,Sheff Wed-Away(live on
    Sky) and the QPR-Away.We also play Brentford in the Coca-Cola in
    between.
    
    Dave...

Spurs stop a promising winning run in it's tracks with a 1-0 defeat at 
Coventry. It seems it will take a while to get the front two working well 
and certainly our midfield does not inspire the team as it has in the last few 
years.  We were according to radio 5 well organised and played neat controlled 
football but lacked the killer movement or final ball to outwit the coventry 
defence. Unfortunately I think Samways is a good skilful player but lacks that 
final thrust forward, he always seems to want to pass one too many times, Gray 
is well Gray and Paul Allen was never the skill player of the team. I think 
Anderton will come good but he's an investment in the future  not immediate.

If you look at the age of the players then I think it's Allen and Mabbutt 
(Fenwick doesn't count) in the thirties, Gray is 28ish? then the next youngest 
players are 26, Durie and Sheringham and probably Sedgeley then we have a lot of 
24, 23 22, 21, 20 right down to 17. 

The key to staying in the premier is taking points from these away games plus 
doing OK at home(Oh shit I here you say).

Big Game on Saturday, United are apparently on good form so realistically I 
think a point will be a good result.

Antony

    Tottenham Hostspur plc announced 2.6m profit for the last finacial
    year. This does not include the 5.5m received from selling Gascoigne to
    Lazio.
    
    A few players had knocks from the Coventry game (Durie, Sherringham,
    Samways, +1 other), with Samways the most doubtful for tomorrow.  I
    think it will be a close game and Utd will find hopefully find it
    difficult to score since our defence seems to be coming together after
    the nightmare at Ellen Rd.  Whether or not we can win will depend
    taking control (or at least being competitive) in midfield, something
    we've yet to get to grips with this season, but hopefully we can
    surprise all those in the Predictions topic that have got us down as
    a home defeat!
    
    Adrian

Well a good point earned v United who apparently had more of the play but we 
had generally the better chances. Newspaper reports say we are well organised 
and generally break quite well. Just need to put the chances away, what price a 
Lineker comeback!!

Brentford tonight at home 7.45pm
Lazio on Wed Away - Not now being shown on SKY - refusal of FA - probably goal 
highlights on next Saturday's GAzzetta Italian football - Channel 4 10.30am.

Antony

    Excellent performance from the Spurs on Saturday, best of the season so
    far.  Probably a fair result on the balance of play: Utd had more of
    the pressure, but Spurs had the better chances.
    
    Sherringham should've scored after he went past Schmeichel but
    couldn't shoot past the defender on the line, and Durie had a good
    chance that was blocked by a good tackle.
    
    Giggs was good for Utd and his goal was very classy, but whereas last
    year we would've given up and started to leak goals, on Saturday we
    kept on trying and Durie deserved his goal.  One of his best games.
    
    Andy Turner played very well on the left wing, especially in the first
    half, and Sedgley was more involved than I've seen for a long time. 
    
    We should be looking for a stack of goals against Brentford tonight,
    hopefully Samways will be back and replace Gray.
    
    Adrian
    

    who needs Lineker when you got Edward Sheringham!!!!!!!!
    
    Had Teddy scored from the effort which carthorse (Bruce) cleared off
    the line,Lineker would well and truly be forgotten by the Spurs
    faithful. Sheringham's vision and excellent wing play with his ability
    to deliver an inch perfect cross made Durie's goal simple!!!
    
    Q.   Has Sheringham been capped at any level????? 
    
    
    
    
    M.J. who regrets O.B.E.'s decision to let EDWARD leave the City Ground!

    
     Spurs 3  Brentford 1
    
     Good result last night,in what could have been a dodgy game with so many
     injuries.Goals from Sheringham,Kevin Watson,an 18 year old midfielder
     and Gordon Durie.
       A good point on Saturday,against Man Utd,things seem to be coming
    together.
    
      Antony,SKY are still advertising the Lazio game,are you sure its not
    on ??.
    
     Dave...

    The Lazio match *is* on Sky, according to announcements at the match
    last night, about which...
    
    Did you go Dave?  It was a dodgy game, even at 3-1 I thought Brentford
    might come back into it.  The main difference in the teams was that we
    had Sherringhan and Durie.  Teddy's first touches are a joy sometimes,
    and Durie's goal was a classic: controlled on the chest and volleyed in
    to top of the net from 25 yards.  Wonderful.
    
    Good debut from Kevin Watson playing on the right of midfield
    (replacing the injured Andy Gray), and Anderton showed more confidence
    and had a couple of good runs at defenders and put in the odd cross.
    
    It was an understandably average performance after the good one on
    Saturday, the players probably didn't want to put too much into it in
    case they miss the jolly over to Rome tomorrow!
    
    Adrian

Chaps,

I read that the game was off in the Sunday papers but last night Spurs said it 
was on. GREAT !!

Not too bad, most important was no injuries, everyone seemed to want to make 
sure they had some strength left for Wednesday evening.

Three good goals, some good individual performances, and we looked capable of 
scoring when we wanted to, the rest was a bit of a canter, still I think we 
have done enough to go through to round 3.

Antony

    Not in Rome for tonights match:  Pat Van Den Hauwe, Darren Anderton,
    Dean Austin, Vinny Samways, and Gordon Durie - all injured apparently.
    
    Two away matches on the trot: Sheff Wed and then QPR.  I'd like to
    think we'll come away with at least a couple of points from them as
    we've only been beaten once since the Leeds match.
    
    Adrian
    

    
    Would anybody owning a satellite dish, do me a favour and record this
    evenings match against Lazio. I'll sortout any costs.... I'm living in
    Germany by the way, and don't own a satellite dish.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Keith.

Keith,

I'll see what I can do. I don't own a sattellite dish but I know a man who
does. 

Let you know tomorrow. 

Phil.

    Thanks for the offer Phil, but Messrs Birse and Lacey who are located
    in Munich (with satellite dishes) have already decently enough made
    offers to record the game.
    
    Keith.
    
    P.s. How's life in sunny Reading?

    
    Keith ,
    	I dont own a dish either (only 4 X cups & saucer !) , I was gonna
    go to the game but the $399 cost by spurs travel ( 1 nite in hotel) was
    prohibitive.
    	In the old days we gould have gonbe down the Crispin + watch it
    !!!!
    
    
    dave w.

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>>    	In the old days we gould have gonbe down the Crispin + watch it
>>      !!!!
    
  
      As long as you promised NOT to bring Ken Clark along!!!! 8-0  
    
    
    	Keith.

    
    Lazio 3  Tottenham 0
    Gascoigne
    Stroppa
    Farhi(?)
    
    
    Not a bad game,and despite the result Spurs played well fielding a very
    young team.The future looks bright at Tottenham,we have some really
    good players coming through the ranks.
      The game was all about Paul Gascoigne,and he didnt let anyone
    down,scoring after 10 minutes,latching onto a cut back from Thomas Doll
    to score from about 8 yards.Gascoigne played really well considering
    his long lay off,and although it was a friendly,and he has alot of
    tough games ahead,he was heavily involved and looks capable of getting
    back to his beat very quickly which is brilliant news for England.He
    set up Stropa for the second with a short ball through the defence.
      Gascoigne was taken off after 65 minutes to a standing ovation.I for
    one hope he will be available for the Norway game,as even a half match
    fit Gascoigne is far better than anyone else at the moment available to 
    England.
    
      Neil Ruddock limped off,and could be doubtfull for the Sheff Wed
    match on Sunday,but Gary Mabbutt came back for 45 minutes.
    
    Dave...

    
    It would be nice to see a mentally mature Gazza back to his 
    best. I was worried that there would be bad reports in the 
    press this morning if he played badly. He was scathed last
    week due to his poor showing in the 70 minute reserve game
    in Italy.
    
    I'm happy that he played well, I haven't seen a paper yet but
    the press make me laugh. After a 16 month layoff after major
    repair work on his knee they expect him to run out and still
    do the business. As little as 5/6 years ago his injury would
    have ended your footballing career.
    
    Did anyone record the game ? If so may I borrow the tape. I've
    yet to speak with a mate of mine and I'm hoping he's recorded
    it but if he hasn't would somebody oblige ?
    
    Cheers,
    
    JN.

    
     Jeff..
    
    
       Does your video recorder have long play, if so I taped the
       game cause I had to go out..
    
     Andy.....B
    

    
    Sheff Wed 2  Spurs 0
    Bright
    Anderson
    
    
    Not a very good performance yesterday,we were lucky to go in a half
    time only 2 down.It was better in the second half,but Wednesday still
    looked more like scoring than we did.
      Sheringham hit the bar,and that was about the only time Chris Woods
    was threatened.
      I thought Darren Anderton had just about his best game so far this
    season,also Andy Turner had another good game.Walker was excellent in
    goal,making one brilliant save just before the final whistle.
      
     QPR next week at Loftus Road...or Rangers Stadium,whatever its called
    now.Another difficult game.
    
    Dave...

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>     QPR next week at Loftus Road...or Rangers Stadium,whatever its called
>    now.Another difficult game.
    
     The Subbuteo Ground.

     Stuart

    Is the game at QPR all ticket next week ??
    
    		Brian.

    re. 579
    
    Actually Stuart, the East Stand at WHL (or is it the West? Well, the 
    one which has the TV gantry and was used as a temporary morgue during 
    WWII.......and ever since, judging by the atmosphere) bears a close 
    resemblance to one of dem "more realistic and modern" Subbuteo Stands 
    too.  
     
    barry.
    
    
    I suppose Subbuteo have designed a Sainsbury's superstore especially 
    for all you Palace Subbuteo enthusiasts?
          

    QPR  several   Totts  1
    
    It was all going so well, I was having such fun, why did our back four
    ruin a perfectly good day?  One-nil up before half-time, even Fenwick
    (on for the injured Justin) was playing alright, lots of happy singing,
    Vinny through with only the keeper to beat, swiftly followed by Nicky
    Barmby missing a good chance, then with only half an hour left the
    ghost of Tottenham past came to visit the back four.
    
    Fortunately we were at the other end of the pitch so we could really
    see the full horror of it all, but even from there it was bad.  I
    couldn't stand to see if it was shown on MOTD on Saturday, but I might
    be brave enough to check out the goals again on local news tonight.
    
    A few crumbs of comfort....  err, well there weren't any really were
    there?  It's so pissy when, with the exception of Durie, we put out our
    strongest and potentially talented team and they just fall apart.
    
    All credit to the R's, they play the sort of quick passing and running
    at defenders style of football I'd like to see us play more often. 
    With Samways and Anderton we've got the players to do that, but they're
    just too inconsistant at the moment.  I guess it makes life
    interesting.
    
    Never mind, hopefully a trip out to Brentford will just turn this into a
    distant memory.
    
    Adrian

    
    This was a disaster,more than holding our own for an hour,could have
    well been 3 up,then all of a sudden we are 3-1 down and out of it.The
    defence just fell apart.The 4th goal just about summed it up.
     
     A week off now,no game next week,then another tough game,home to
    'boro.We really need a run of wins the way things are going at the
    moment we will go down,its not worth pretending we are to good to go
    down,we're not.Its still early days,but we could get dragged into the
    relegation battle,its not long till Xmas.
    
    Dave...