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Conference thebay::joyoflex

Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

101.0. "Word needed" by AJAX::CALLAS () Tue Oct 01 1985 18:57

	This came in my mail today:


Date: Sun, 29 Sep 85 13:26:07 edt
From: Martha Rose <mrose at mit-prep.ARPA>
Re:   definitions? try this one...

From "The Continuing Crisis" column in the Oct '85 _American Spectator_:

"The English language needs a word which means 'producing or tending to
produce a mysterious satisfaction that is not wholly in good taste'. Viz.
this item from the Associated Press wire, datelined New Orleans, August 1:
'A guest at a party for lifeguards celebrating their first drowning-free
swimming season drowned.'"

Well, folks-- can we find a word for this definition?

        
	How about bonus points if the word can be spelled in hex :-)
        
        	Jon
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101.1SERF::POWERSFri Oct 04 1985 12:208
The word "irony" would probably be used to describe such situations,
but having looked it up, I see that its definition does not really
reflect this common use.
	irony: 1) the use of words to convey the opposite of their literal
		meaning; 2) incongruity between what is expected and what
		occurs;  from the Greek for dissembling or feigned ignorance

- tom]
101.2EDEN::FREEDFri Oct 04 1985 16:3616
Got it!  Although it's borrowed from German...but I've seen it
pop up in essays written in English, several times, recently.

SCHADENFREUDE, if I remember correctly.  Would apply to the
state of being grieved + relieved -- as in, "My cube neighbor
just got laid off, but that I didn't, so that means I must be
safe."  The term is explained and promoted as a concept we 
NEED in our emotional vocabularies, in _When_Bad_Things_Happen_
To_Good_People.  It translates from the German, loosely, as
"sad-happiness."

Since it's so modular, and since things (like the pool party)
sometimes happen in the reverse order, we might experiment
with "FREUDENSCHADE"....

Now, be gentle on me!  My German is aus-geshundheit.
101.3SchadenfreudeMARVIN::WALSHTue Apr 25 1989 16:117
    re .2
    
    I think it means more precisely to take active delight in the
    misfortunes of others, rather than simply to be relieved at the fact
    that Fate has not similarly dumped on you.
    
    Chris
101.4Well done!!SHIPS::KINSCHERFF_BGerman Expat in EnglandTue Sep 17 1991 19:214
    re .3
    
    
    Exactly!