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Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
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1012.0. "Chanukah" by DELNI::MCCONNELL (Shaalu Shalom Yerushalayim) Tue Dec 11 1990 21:01

    My husband and I have been invited to a Chanukah meal at a Jewish
    friend's home on Friday evening.  I would like to bring a small
    gift or contribution to the meal.  Can anyone offer any suggestions? 
    Is a bottle of wine appropriate?
    
    Thanks,
    Sue
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1012.1GAON::jemAnacronym: an outdated acronymTue Dec 11 1990 21:249
Re: .0

If they're kosher, you probably don't want to cook anything.
A fruit basket would be one idea. As far as alcohol, most
grape wines are a problem, but a bottle of Johnny Walker
or J&B (Jewish Booze) would be fine.

Jem
1012.2KOBAL::CLTMAX::dickSchoeller - Failed XperimentTue Dec 11 1990 22:177
To expand upon .1 a bit;  It is worth finding out if your friends keep kosher
(they may do so at home even if they don't out).  If they do, then the only
wines you should bring are kosher wines.  It is possible to get good kosher
wine (that is, something other than the alchoholic grape juice you might
usually think of) but you would have to look around.

Gav
1012.3greasy kid stuffSUBWAY::RAYMANBIG Louuuuuuuu - PW Comm MeisterTue Dec 11 1990 23:5813
Traditional Chanuka food is fried - the oil as a reminder of the chanuka 
miracle.  In Ashkenazik communities, potato pancakes, latkes in yiddish, are
"the" chanuka treat; Sephardim favor donuts, sufganiot in hebrew.   Chanuka is
NOT the time for a low fat diet (is any jewish holiday a good time for a diet?)

>    Is a bottle of wine appropriate?

if its kosher, sure.  Red with meat, White with poultry or fish (I had a really 
great bottle of Cabernet recently...)


			Louuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

1012.4BOLT::MINOWCheap, fast, good; choose twoFri Dec 14 1990 19:395
If your friends have kids, you might want to bring some small, inexpensive,
presents for them.  If you can find a store with kosher food, you might
pick up some "Chanukah Gelt" -- chocolate "coins" wrapped in gold foil.

Martin.
1012.5Thanks - and some thoughts on Chanukah...DELNI::SMCCONNELLNext year, in JERUSALEM!Sun Dec 16 1990 12:3177
Well,

My wife Sue (who started this note) is in New York at the moment with one 
of her sisters and of course I don't want to speak for her - but Friday's 
dinner was so wonderful, I just wanted to thank you all (as I know she 
does) for your suggestions. I also wanted to take this opportunity to share
a few thoughts with you that have been swimming in my head over the past 
week.

It turns out that our friends *do* stick very closely to kosher dietetic 
laws...this in spite of a misconception that even *I* (a gentile) had 
regarding Messianic Jews.  I called earlier in the week to ask them 
directly what we might bring, but they insisted we bring nothing but 
ourselves (this time).  So thanks again for the suggestions - I'll 
consider us more prepared for the next time ;-)

What I wanted to share with you was the fact that this past week has been 
quite an eye-opener for me, in that - all I had ever heard about Chanuka 
was that one day's worth of oil lasted 8 days.  Over this past week, I've 
had the wonderful opportunity of learning more about this Holiday from a 
number of different perspectives - perhaps the most impressive from 
Josephus' accounts of Antiochus Epiphanes and Judah Macabee.  I'd like to 
share a few excerpts that have really opened my eyes regarding this most 
wonderful Chanuka celebration:

From Josephus' "THE ANTIQUITIES OF THE JEWS", Book 12, chapter 5 section 4...

"And when the king [Antiochus Epiphanes] had built an idol altar upon G-d's 
altar, he slew swine upon it, and so offered a sacrifice neither according 
to the law, nor the Jewish religious worship in that country.  He also 
compelled them to forsake the worship which they paid their own G-d, and to 
adore those whom he took to be gods; and made them build temples, and raise 
idol altars, in every city and village, and offer swine upon them every 
day.  He also commanded them not to circumcise their sons, and threatened 
to punish any that should be found to have transgressed his 
injunction...but the best men, and those of the noblest souls, did not 
regard him, but did pay a greater respect to the customs of their country 
than concern as to the punishment which he threatened to the disobedient; 
on which account they every day underwent great miseries and bitter 
torments;..."

Josephus' account goes on to describe the *horrible* torture and murder of the 
Jews who chose to be faithful to G-d and their religion, rather than submit 
to the tyrnany of a possessed mad-man.

Of course, he later recounts the story of Mattathias and his son Judah 
Maccabee - who against impossible odds, worked up a Jewish army to defeat 
the forces who wanted nothing less than to see Israel, Judaism, and Jews 
themselves wiped off the face of the earth.

Thankfully - we know how the story ends.  I'm no history scholar - and I 
won't pretend that a week of study on this series of events makes me an 
expert.  But I'm struck by the courage of Judah and his troops in the face 
of absolutely impossible odds.  By all natural signs, this was a foolish 
battle for them to fight - and perhaps there's something there that has 
given me a small glimpse of the importance of Chanuka, then and now...

from Chapter 7, section 3... (Judah Maccabee to his troops the night before 
they would fight...)

" 'O my fellow-soldiers, no other time remains more opportune than the 
present for courage and contempt of dangers; for if you now fight manually, 
you may recover your liberty, which, as it is a thing of itself agreeable 
to all men, so it proves to be to us much more desirable, by its affording 
us the liberty of worshipping G-d.  Since, therefore, you are in such 
circumstances at present, you must either recover that liberty, and so 
regain a happy and blessed way of living, which is that according to our 
laws, and the customs of our country, or to submit to the most opprobrious 
sufferings; nor will any seed of your nation remain if you be beat in this 
battle.' "

*Learning* from the past and being able to learn more with our friends this 
weekend was both moving and encouraging for us.

Have a happy and blessed Chanuka,

Steve
1012.6P.S. to .5DELNI::SMCCONNELLNext year, in JERUSALEM!Sun Dec 16 1990 12:418
    Please pardon the inconsistant spelling of the Holiday.  For one thing,
    I've seen at least 4 ways of spelling it in English, and for another -
    it's after 2:30 a.m. here in New England, and I really should be asleep
    by now.
    
    BTW - is there a preferred spelling?
    
    Stve
1012.7Don't worry about the spellingSLSTRN::RADWINTue Dec 18 1990 23:246
    re -.1
    
    One holiday card we received this year wished us as many blessing as
    there ways to spell "hanukah."
    
    Gene