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Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
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Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
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55.0. "Question on parsha Vayeshev" by GRAMPS::LISS () Tue Dec 10 1985 16:17

    	Last weeks parsha, Vayeshev, besides telling about Yosef being 
        betrayed by his brothers also digresses and tells the story of 
        Yehuda, his sons, and Tamar. However, there is another short 
        digression that puzzles me. I will ask the question as best I 
        can without having my chumash in front of me.
    
    	Yosef left his father and went to find his brothers. On his 
        way he was wondering aimlessly through a field when "he met a 
        certain man". This man told Yosef that his brothers were not 
        where they were expected to be. The man then said where they 
        were and Yosef went straight to them.
    
    	I know that there is a great deal of symbolism in this parsha. 
        Yosef was on a spiritual journey and became distracted. This 
        "certain man" guided Yosef back to the correct path. He 
        certainly must have been a wise man to influence Yosef since 
        we know that Yosef was knowledgeable of spiritual matters 
        while his brothers were only interested in physical matters. 
        My question is who is this man and what was it that Yosef was 
        searching for?
    
			Thank you in advance,
					Fred

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55.1TAV02::CHAIMThu Dec 12 1985 06:4157
Ibn Ezra states that if taken simply the "Certain Man" was merely another
sheppard.

Rashi, however, brings a Midrash Tanchuma that states that the "Certain Man"
was Gabriel Hamalach.

The Ramban interprets this entire episode in the perspective of Hashem's 
Personal Involnement (Hashgacha Pratit). Yosef did not find his brothers where
he expected to. Had the "Certain Man" not told him where to find them, he
would most likely have gone back home. The destiny of the Jewish nation rested
upon the sale of Yosef etc. Of course this itself requires explanation.

Rav Soloveitchik explains that the Jewish nation is not merely the sum of
the parts of the whole. i.e the twelve tribes (brothers) are no lomger 
individual entities vis-a-vis Klal Yisroel. The twelve tribes comprise
Klal Yisroel as one entity. 

Yosef seemingly misunderstood this concept. His dreams seemed to imply that
the tribes were individualistic. One tribe could be "better" than another.
The other brothers did understand this concept and therefore they felt that
Yosef could be detrimental to Klal Yisroel. Of course their actions were not
correct.

At any rate, Yosef required some sort of lesson that would set him straight.
This is why it was so important that Yosef continue seeking his brothers.
Alienation at this point would be catastrophic. Yosef must reconcile with
his brothers. 

The actions of Yosef's brothers (save Reuven who most likely understood
best the total impact of Klal Yisroel -- this we see from the fact that Reuven
saves Yosef out of gratitude. His gratitude came from the fact that through 
Yosef's dreams he realized two things. One, his fears that he might be cut out
from Klal Yisroel because of his sin against Yaakov was unfounded since in 
Yosef's dream he mentions 11 stars and this could only be with Reuven included.
Second, this taught him that Klal Yisroel could only be with ALL the brothers.
Hence, the idea of killing Yosef was as dangerous to Klal Yisroel as would be
Yosef's alienation) reveals that though they understood that Yosef's alienation
was potentially dangerous to Klal Yisroel, misunderstood the entire concept and
felt that killing him or getting rid of him would solve the problem.

So now the brothers need to learn a lesson as well. Hence the continuation
and confrontation in Egypt.

Paranthetically, the story of Yehuda and Tamar which comes between the selling
of Yosef and the continuation of Yosef's journey is fitting since it was Yehuda
who proposed selling Yosef, and although his intentions were to save Yosef from 
a more serious calamity, nevertheless he required a PERSONAL lesson over and
above the lesson he required as part of Klal Yisroel. Thus the story of Yehuda
and Tamar. This showed Yehuda that one cannot cause harm to one;s fellow man
eventhough one might rationalize that this harm is better than some worse harm.
Yehuda was fearful to give Shela to Tamar less he die as well. Tamar had every
right to receive Shela and was no doubt hurt very much by Yehuda's resistance to
giving him to her. Once Yehuda realized his wrong the story then continues.

Hanukah Sameach...

Cb.
55.2better late than neverNY1MM::BCOHENTue Feb 18 1986 15:5828
    
    I had no idea that Joseph had been on a journey and was reguided
    by a stranger, but if Rashi (rationalist Demehadrin) say it's was
    Gabriel, then it's OK by me.
    
    Another insight into the story of Yehuda & Tamar was given that
    Shabbat by my Rav, pardon the delay bu I am new to this file.
    
    The portion concerning Yehuda's relationship comes at the point
    in the Parsha right before Joseph is brought into Egypt.  Or in
    other words right before the first of the legendary Galut's (exiles-
    of which the Jews are supposed to experience a certain number of
    which we supposedly are in the last now) is about to begin the 
    Torah breaks stride and tells us of Yehuda and Tamar.  The result
    of the union occured in the birth of Peretz who as we all know
    Mashiach is from the Tribe of Yehuda or as the Kabbalist refered
    to him "A man from Peretz" (Lechah Dodi - Eish Partzi).
    
    This message is supposedly universal throughout the exiles as 
    a sign that even before the first exile was even started and when
    Klal Yisroel was still an extended family, the seeds of our 
    eventual and final redemption were sown and placed in the Torah
    for all to see.
    
    Hope I brightened someone's day- It helped mine.
    
    Bruce Cohen
    
55.3better late than neverTAV02::ALANWed Sep 30 1987 05:5330
    I just noticed your question. So this reply is VERY late.
    I want to add that a very important theme in all the stories in
    Breshit is the theme of "haker" (to recognize). The word appears
    repeatedly in many stories, including of course the joseph story
    as well as the Yehuda and Tamar story (and of course Yaakov and
    Esav and Yitzhak, etc....). I think the yehuda and Tamar interlude
    has to do with the problem of seeing the truth beneath outer
    appearences, which also is a main theme in the Joseph story.
    As for the "mystery man" who guides Yosef to his destiny, of course
    you can't forget that the "brit bein habtarim" already indicates
    that Bnei Yisrael MUST eventually get down to Egypt and be enslaved.
    So Josef MUST find his brothers and be sold, etc. There are several
    ironies here beyond Josef's saying "I am looking for MY BROTHERS"
    and the man's saying "nas'u mizeh" which the rabbis take to mean
    "they have removed themselves from being brother-like". The additional
    ironies include the fact that the reader knows what none of the
    characters in the story knows, viz. that they are ALL going to be
    enslaved. The helpful stranger is leading them to their collective
    misfortune. Moreover, much later in Breshit when Josef tells his
    brothers not to feel bad, that although they intended him harm it
    was all "for the best", the reader laughs to himself: "Oh boy, Yosef,
    have you ever got it wrong! It was all pre-arranged so as to enslave
    the entire people!" (By the way, ever think that there is a further
    irony in that Yosef is the  one who enslaves the entire Egyyptian
    people to Pharoah when they have to sell themselves to buy food/grain?)
    Somehow you have the feeling that Abraham forgot to pass along word
    of the brit bein habtarim!!
    anyway..............
    gmar hatima tova !
    ALAN (AHARON) ZAITCHIK (Ed Services, Israel)