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Title:Celt Notefile
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Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
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277.0. "A POTTED HISTORY OF IRELAND BY THE SNAKE." by GAOV07::MHUGHES (dean corp-trialladh don banrion) Thu Oct 01 1987 13:56

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277.1Snakes write well, too!SQM::CASSILYThu Oct 01 1987 17:5610
    
    Re: -1, A truly remarkable contribution to this conference! You
    have managed to concisely correlate the effects and consequenses
    of events which, although occurring years, decades or centuries
    apart, bear directly upon the extremely difficult situation NI finds
    itself in today. This document was most certainly NOT boring. I
    have read it in its entirety and will print it off for distribution.
    
    Many thanks,
    Mike
277.2Millteanach!USAT03::MICHAELIrish Thorn in Manager's sideThu Oct 01 1987 18:184
    
    Bravo, Bravo! You've outdone yourself this time, snake. Within our
    blood runs deep the pain of strife.
    C.J.
277.3THANKSTPVAX3::CULBERTHI MAFri Oct 02 1987 16:0110
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
                             OUTSTANDING JOB!!!!!
277.4"Misenach"RUNWAY::FARRINGTONThu Oct 08 1987 15:3615
    
    A Chara, A major work of celestial consequence...you should be either
    congratulated or executed....at last glance, the jury was at lunch...
    ....a denizen of Tuam,Co.Galway, now resident with Aviation Services,
    Hanscom Field, Bedford, MA, US.
    is Mise,
    Kevin
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
277.5TINTED SNAKEKLOV01::OHARATue Dec 22 1987 11:2231
    Well done Mike.
    
    You did, as you pointed out in your foreword, fail to conceal your
    bias. It was a worthwhile exercise and one hopes that rather than
    he taken as "gospel", it readers would now try and get a hold of
    many of the fine books written about Ireland and It past.
    I would recommend "Ireland Since the Famine" by Prof. T.S Lyons
    (I know it is Lyons but I am not so sure it is T.S.)
    
    You and I have argued History and its revelance to today Ireland
    on many ocassions in the past and hopefully we can do the same again
    over some nice creamy pints of Guinness.
    
    I must point out as a supporter of F.Gael and Garret Fitzgerald
    that you made some pretty sweeping statments about his term as
    Taoiseach. In twenty years time when we can speak about the 70's
    and 80's with less emotion and more facts, I think he will be seen
    as a man who tried to bring Ireland Forward both socially and in
    terms of unification but was bedivelled by a destructive (as opposite
    to constructive) opposition in the Dail and a "I'm all right Jack"
    attitude by the population in regards to National Debt which incidently
    was swelled not by Increased borrowing by that Govt but by an
    accumulation of Interest on borrowing to pay for the F.F. give way
    election promises of 1977-79.
    
    We as always will agree to disagree Mike, Again well done and don't
    change (even if you are wrong!!), it is your character thats stands
    you out from the crowd !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Regards
    Cllr Dom O'Hara T.C., P.C. 
277.6Further discussion in HISTORY notesfileMEALA::JOYCEMon Apr 29 1991 15:1815
    
    If you are interested in further discussion on Irish history 
    there is a topic devoted to it in the HISTORY notesfile,
    (STKCSC::HISTORY). Topic 94 has over 100 notes on 
    controversial aspects of Irish history like the Famine, the
    1798 Rebellion, the 1916 Rising, the 1921 Treaty and the
    current violence in Northern Ireland.
    
    The topic has some notes by myself which try to describe the
    course of Irish history - unfortunately, not as colourful as
    Mike's and differing in some significant respects.
    
    Happy Reading,
    
    Toby 
277.7A brief(er) History of IrelandMEALA::JOYCEFri May 10 1991 14:10268
    
    Pre-12th Century:
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    Christianity arrived in Ireland in the 5th century and was firmly
    established by the Viking invasions in the 9th century (?). 
    The country was split into many kingdoms, generally warring and
    feuding, but with a generally recognised "primus inter pares"
    or Ard-Ri (High-King). The Ard-Ri-ship was held by the strongest.
    Christianity was of the Celtic variety - organised around
    abbots and monasteries rather that bishoprics, and with such things
    as public confession etc. By the twelfth century, the Vikings
    through trading cites like Dublin, Waterford and Limerick had
    brought Ireland within the ambit of the European civilization
    of the Middle Ages. The church also became reformed at this
    time.
    
    Norman Invasion and Colonization: 12th - 15th centuries
    ------------------------------------------------------
    
    The Normans arrived first as mercenaries to support a local
    King in his quarrel with the High-King. However this band of
    warriors, the foremost in Europe at that time, stayed to 
    conquer and claim land for themselves. Their adventures compare
    with Cortes in Mexico. Henry II of England fearing another
    Norman kingdom in Ireland arrived and claimed the title
    "Lord of Ireland" and received the homage of the invaders and
    the local kings. The Norman invasion was part of the great
    explosion of energy in medieval Europe that included the
    Norman conquests of Sicily, the First Crusade, the colonization
    of East Prussia and the reconquest of much of Spain from the
    Moors. 
    
    The Normans did not complete the conquest however, the medieval
    English colony was mainly confined to the South-East, with 
    strong Anglo-Norman enclaves in the cities and fertile valleys.
    This was England's first true colony, and many distinctive
    "Irish" names date from this time - Roche, Barry, Joyce, Burke etc.
    Gradually the colony was weakened though economic decline, the
    Black Death and intermarriage with the Irish.
    
    Many of the Anglo-Norman families adopted Irish customs and 
    became "Hibernicized" - speaking Irish, allying with Irish
    chieftains, fostering children with Irish families etc. However
    they still formed a distinct group - known as the "Old English"
    to distinguish them from later settlers from England.
    
    The country was ruled from England through the great magnates,
    usually the Fitzgeralds of Kildare, who supported the Yorkist
    side in the War of the Roses but were strong enough to survive
    the start of the Tudor regime. However, the Tudors began to
    break the power of the big families - first the Kildare
    Fitzgeralds, later the Desmond (Southern) Fitzgeralds.
    
    Eventually in 1527 (I think) Henry VIII proclaimed himself
    King of Ireland and through a system of "surrender and re-grant"
    accepted the homage of the Irish chieftains in return for
    English titles - for example, the O'Neills became Earls of Tyrone,
    O'Donnells Earls of Tirconnell stc.
    
    Reformation, Rebellion and Plantation 16-17th centuries:
    --------------------------------------------------------
    
    Basically, the Irish (Old English and native Irish) did not
    care what the English King did not or what his religion was,
    however with the Spanish wars, England had a definite strategic
    interest in seeing Ireland a quiescent part of its dominions.
    The century 1590 - 1690 was a period in which England completed a
    campaign of bloody conquest, and colonization by a new wave of
    Protestant settlers. Many areas were planted but only
    in Ulster did the plantation put down secure roots as many Scots 
    arrived to take land and settle. In the rest of the country,
    the mass confiscations that followed the Cromwellian wars led
    to a the creation of a Protestant aristocracy and gentry which
    held title of most of the land. 
    
    With the Williamite wars (1689-91) and the Treaty of Limerick,
    the last hope of Catholic Ireland died. The old Gaelic order finally
    passed into history (as it was to do in Scotland after Culloden).
    
    
    18th Century: Protestant Ascendancy:
    ----------------------------------- 
    
    The Protestant landowners evolved a distinctive colonial society,
    which had many cultural achievements - beautiful architecture,
    the literature of Swift and Goldsmith, the philosophy of Berkeley
    etc. However it overlay a lively subterranean culture that was
    Irish speaking and Catholic. The Penal laws passed to deprive 
    the Irish of participation in public life were gradually relaxed,
    however the French Revolution and 1798 Rebellion led to a 
    new polarization between Protestant and Catholic.
    A Parliament existed in Dublin for which Catholics could vote
    from the 1790's but was ended by the Act of Union in 1800.
    
    19th Century: Famine and Home Rule:
    ----------------------------------
 
    Catholic Emancipation or the rights of Catholics to  
    sit in the Westminster Parliament was conceded in 1828 after
    very effective agitation led by Daniel O'Connell.

    Population increased alarmingly during the first two decades of
    this century, then the rate of increase gradually started to slow.   
    However, large groups of people, particularly the labouring landless
    classes became increasingly marginalised within the rural economy
    as they were driven to cultivate poorer and poorer land, and to 
    become increasingly dependent on the potato as a source of food.
    Disaster struck in the 1840's as the potato crop failed for three
    years running, resulting in widespread deaths from starvation and
    disease particularly in the West. Emigration became the means of
    survival and betterment for the great mass of the landless, and
    the depopulation of the countryside of a whole class of people
    began. Ineffective (and sometimes mean-spirited) attempts at
    relief for the distress by the British Goverment led to a later
    feeling of residual bitterness among the Irish. In rough figures
    1 million people died, and 1 million people emigrated as a direct
    result of the famine (that's 25% of the 1845 population).

    As this century went on, the power of the Catholic majority (despite
    Famine and emigration) continued to grow with respect the the
    landowning class - in the "Land War" against landlordism (1880's), 
    the English Parliament passed many Land Acts in which the Irish
    peasantry could buy out their farms with government loans. 
    Thus the era of the "strong farmer" began and the society of
    rural Ireland which had been forming since the Famine was finally
    stabilised. The labourers or landless which had been declining
    as a class since the Famine continued to disappear from Ireland
    leaving a dominant "middle class" of farmers which has been 
    most influential up to the present day.
    
    A strong Irish party was elected to Westminister under Charles
    Stewart Parnell, which allied the parliamentary movement with elements
    in the Fenians (a revolutionary group) and the conservative
    Catholic element to force "Home Rule" (a movement to return
    a Parliament to Dublin). Acting with Gladstone and the Liberals,
    two Home rule bills were brought forward in the 1880's but were 
    defeated, however the aspiration remained. 
    
    The "fly in the ointment" was Ulster where a strong and cohesive
    Protestant majority with great influence in Britain rejected Home 
    Rule and threatened to use force to prevent it. 
    
    20th Century - up to 1921: Rebellion, Partition and Troubles:
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    
    Parnell's party had split after the disasterous divorce case in
    which he was involved, but the two elements re-united later. In
    1910 the Irish party found itself holding the balance of power
    in the English Parliament and made Home Rule the price of its
    support to the Liberals. 
    
    Before this, a strong Gaelic revival took place in the 
    country and a literary movement that aroused strong Nationalist
    feelings and memories. However, except for a small minority,
    Ireland in 1910 was at its most content within the framework
    of the United Kingdom.
    
    The people of Ulster rejected Home Rule and set about forming
    an armed force to oppose it. An attempt by the British government
    to move the army into Ulster was botched when officers made clear
    they would not march. Nationalists also set up an armed force
    to defend Home Rule. On top of this, the First World War broke
    out, which led to Home Rule being put on the statute books, but
    with an exclusion clause for some Ulster counties and with
    a "stay of execution" until the war was over. Remember, it was
    suppose to be over by Christmas!
    
    As the was dragged on, the British government got more and more
    unpopular. Finally at Easter 1916, the country was startled to 
    find that elements of the Nationalist movement who opposed the
    war had staged a rebellion in Dublin. This was crushed after a
    week with less than 1,000 dead but with the city centre gutted.
    Too-harsh countermeasures by the martial law administration
    (16 executions of the leaders) swung support behind the insurgents
    and led to the success of Sinn Fein ("We Ourselves") in key
    by-elections. Adding folly to foolishness, the government tried
    to introduce conscription which united every nationalist shade
    of opinion against the administration.   
    
    In 1918, Sinn Fein almost swept the board in elections, outside
    of Ulster, where the Unionists held firm. In 1919, a parliament
    met in Dublin ("An Dail") and proclaimed an independent
    Republic. On the same date, the military wing of Sinn Fein
    (Irish Republican Army) began a campaign of assassination of
    policemen and military personnel. The period 1919-21 was a
    period of guerilla war in the South ("The Troubles") and of
    sectarian strife in the North. This was followed in 1921 
    by the Anglo-Irish treaty. 

    20th Century - Post 1921: Partition Confirmed and More Troubles
    ---------------------------------------------------------------
    
    This gave 26 counties of Ireland the name of "Irish Free State"
    and dominion status (like Canada) - the remainder of Ireland
    remained part of the United Kingdom but with a parliament of
    its own. Curiously the Civil War which followed in the 26
    (southern) counties was not fought over the fact of partition
    but because many elements of the IRA and Sinn Fein would accept
    nothing less than a Republic.

    Northern Ireland (6 counties) was given "Home Rule" - a parliament
    within the United Kingdom. This was an absolute
    irony as they had opposed it so vehemently. However it became
    acceptable if applied to a region where Unionists dominated.
    
    In the South, the pro-treaty side won the civil war, though they 
    lost power to their (parliamentary) opponents 10 years later. After 
    1922 the southern governments gradually disentangled themselves from
    connections with the British crown.. In 1938, the
    political party known as "Fianna Fail" led by Eamonn De Valera
    promulgated a new constitution under which the country became known 
    (bilingually) as "Eire/ Ireland", without a Governor-General. In 1948 a 
    republic was proclaimed and the country left the commonwealth.
    Oddly, De Valera was not completely happy with this, as he recognised
    that another bridge to the North had been broken.

    During the war, De Valera's government was ostensibly neutral, 
    however historians have been delighted in recent years to bring
    to light the manifold ways that Eire assisted the allies. The
    latest researcher has gone so far as to say that Ireland was not
    really neutral at all (i.e. it went beyond a pragmatic level
    of aid). However, the last word on this has not been spoken.

    After the setting up of the Republic, the Westminster parliament
    passed the Northern Ireland Act, guarantee the position of Northern
    Ireland within the United Kingdom as long as a majority of the 
    people there wished it so. The Irish government agreed to this in the
    Anglo-Irish agreement of 1987, however it is contradicted by
    the Irish constitution which has a unilateral claim to Northern
    Ireland, while recognising "de facto" it is under another
    jurisdiction.
 
    Little was done in the South to build bridges to the Unionists,
    ritual breast-beating about the evils of partition (especially
    near election time) took the place any sort of rational 
    approach. Indeed, the South passed many illiberal laws regulating
    sexual morality that offended the Protestant conscience.
    Meanwhile, in the North, the Unionists were content to keep up
    the appearance of being under siege as that guaranteed that
    on one would break ranks to let in "the enemy".

    The Northern Irealnd parliament lasted until 1972
    when after the outbreak of the current troubles, the British
    government prorogued it. In the words of its first prime minister,
    Brookborough, it was "A Protestant parliament for a Protestant
    people" - Catholics, though 1/3 of the population, suffered many
    civil disabilities and discrimination in jobs and housing.
    
    The British Government disastrously introduced Internment
    without trial in 1971, which enormously boosted the 
    Nationalist terrorist group, the IRA. Ten years later, the BG
    made another blunder with ham-fisted handling of IRA hunger
    strikers at the Maze prison. This brought Sinn Fein (IRA political
    wing) much gains in electoral support, but this has considerably
    diminished up to the present, helped by the Anglo-Irish agreement
    in 1987. This set up the Anglo-Irish conference which enabled
    the Dublin government to raise matters relating to Northern
    Ireland directly with the BG. 

    At this, the Unionists shouted "foul" and began a campaign designed
    to destroy the agreement, without success. However, it was always
    made clear that the IG and the BG would replace the agreement with
    another one, if Unionists participated.

    This takes us up to the current talks which may make it possible to
    do this (but don't hold your breath!).