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Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1632
Total number of notes:20523

81.0. "An American in Ireland" by LOCH::KEVIN (Kevin O'Brien) Tue Sep 23 1986 16:45

I have recently started to investigate a possible assignment to Ireland.
Assuming that this opportunity comes about there are several questions that
perhaps you folks can offer advice on.  

	How does the educational system stack up?  I have a little girl
in the first grade and we could be there for grades 2-4.

	What sort of social environment is there?  I've been there 4 times
myself and I know that the weather is terrible.  My wife is the type of
person that needs to do something all the time.  What is available so that
sho won't go crazy?

	Is is best to sell my house here and buy over there, or rent at
both ends?

	Are there any US tax advantages?  (I know DEC pays the Irish tax)

	The list of questions goes on and on.  I guess in general what's
it like for an American living in Ireland?  I'd really like to hear from
people who have done this but any free advice will be appreaciated.  Also
I've noticed several people in this notesfile from Ireland, what's your
perspective of an American in Ireland.


					Thanks
					  KO
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81.1MOVING TO IRELANDCSWVAX::MANNINGWed Sep 24 1986 20:4013
    I believe you have a few resources. I would suggest contacting 
    the Irish Consul in Boston for info. on taxes, etc. I was talking
    to a member of the Dublin office lately who told me that the
    effective tax rate is about 65%!!!! The weather is, of course,
    completely unpredictable - lots of rain over the past two years.
    The school system is basically excellent, although you will find
    that Irish is taught and used in the National Schools. If this is
    a problem, you might have to find a private school. I believe that
    Bel Cross, who is on Ken's staff would be a good resource. He was
    plant manager in Galway a few years ago and had his two small sons
    in school. They actually came back to the States able to speak a
    little Irish and with a definite Galway accent!!!
                                                    
81.2Schools, etc.NMGV08::FITZGERALDMaurice FitzGerald @JGOThu Sep 25 1986 08:2019
    My family moved to the US from Ireland when I was 9 years old. I
    was WAAAAAAY ahead of my class in St Louis in everything but US
    history and Geography.
    
    After two years we moved to Seattle. We then moved to Galway when
    I was 13. I was then WAAAAAAAAY ahead of my Galway classmates in
    Mathematics and Science subjects and so far behind in everything
    else it wasn't true.
    
    Irish education is usually segregated (by sex). This is responsible
    for some pretty unusual attitudes.
    
    There are a lot of opportunities to get involved in social work
    and church related activities (various religeons) in Galway, if
    that's where you are going.
    
    US people on temporary transfer do not have any tax worries.
    
    MFG
81.3How do you get an assignment to Ireland?TOPDOC::STANTONMon Oct 13 1986 02:436
    Gee, how do you get such an assignment? We (my wife & I) would
    be very interested in any details (Send VAXmail to TOPDOC::STANTON).
    I am a senior software writer with a lot of system experience &
    background in electronic publishing.
    
    
81.4Living in IrelandSSVAX::OCONNELLIrish by NameSat Jan 24 1987 01:2450
    This could be interesting.  I moved to Ireland with my husband (not
    with DEC), for three years.  Our first two chldren were born in
    Waterford.  I have some major likes and dislikes about the experience.
    We had a small 10 bedroom hotel in Carrick-on-Suir so much of what
    I have to say deals with being in a very small town, and self-employed
    in an all-day/all-night/seven-days-a-week job.  In any case, if
    you're into music there's plenty of *crack* as they say. (Not
    dope--fun) and if the music's on there's no such thing as closing
    time. i.e. Doolin, Miltown Malbay.  
    
    For things to do, there are Amateur drama societies, and amateur
    opera societies around every corner, and the caliber of some would
    really knock your socks off.  Irish housekeeping takes up an incredible
    amount of time.  Shopping is generally done anywhere from every
    day to once or twice a week.  Most large towns and cities have
    supermarkets but most small towns and villages have a shop for every
    need, i.e. greengrocer for vegetables, butcher for lamb and beef,
    poulterer and fishmonger, dairy or creamery for milk and butter
    (sometimes you can get farm butter which is a new and different
    sensation!) and baker for all kinds of bread.  
    
    If you have expectations of being able to maintain and American
    way of life, forget it.  It takes eons for anyone to come and do
    things for you like electricians, plumbers, carpenters, etc.  We
    contracted an electrician to come and do some wiring when I was
    about 3 months pregnant.  Paul was 2 months old when the guy finally
    came.  You have to face up to living in any country other than your
    own with the expectation that everything will be different and be
    mildly surprised when circumstance approximate what you're used
    to.  
    
    I loved the friends we had, and still have, I loved the food --
    it was always fresh and plentiful, if somewhat limited, but then
    we had a hotel.  I loved the music particularly.  We had so many
    different people -- Paddy Glackin, Dermott Morgan, Matt Malloy,
    Johnny Moynihan, The Bread and Beer Band (our own band) that included
    Tommy Keane, and a host of others I can't remember their names now.
     We had ballad sessions every Saturday night and that always went
    well into Sunday morning.
    
    For a limited engagement, I can think of plenty of places worse,
    and not too many better than Ireland.  But I think I'm happier here
    now.  Too much New Englander in me, I guess.  But I look forward
    to going back there to see friends and relatives, and listen and
    play good music with my heart hanging on it.
    
    If you make it over -- Enjoy!
    
    Roxanne
    
81.5I never Enjoyed SchoolKAOFS::MUX_USERWed Feb 04 1987 17:5616
    re .1
    Bel was not Plant manager in Galway. He was, if memory serves,
    Manufacturing Manager. That was about 12/13 years ago! Geez, 
    I'm beginning to feel ooollddd!
    
    By the way, Grade 1 is, I believe, age 6.
    
    You will find that most Irish kids start school at age 4 or 5.
    
    You will find that your Grade 2 kid will probably be placed
    in "Second Class" in Primary school. 
                            
    Regards,
    Mike McCrohan
    
    
81.6AXEL::FOLEYRebel without a clueWed May 06 1987 14:317
    
    
    	It's possible that I'll be looking for an assignment in
    	the Clonmel plant in about 2 years or so.. Anyone need
    	a system manager? :-)
    
    						mike
81.7Wanderlust or just lust ??GAOV07::MHUGHESI got a mean wriggleWed May 06 1987 15:348
    Leaprechauns are always looking.
    
    Re .-1
    Yes its possible, but we don't need another Cork Wh***e in leotards
    around the place.
    
    Snake seesthe savage breaking out again.
    
81.8AXEL::FOLEYRebel without a clueWed May 06 1987 16:088
    
    RE: .-1
    
    	Up Yours you F***er...
    
    	:-)
    
    						mike
81.9I hear your due for a "Raise" ...Up Cork !!ENGGSG::BURNSThe Burren and the Cliffs of MoherWed May 06 1987 18:249
    
    
    	Mr. Foley:
    
    			 "Don't give up the night job"		;-)


    
    	keVin
81.10Fierce raise!AXEL::FOLEYRebel without a clueWed May 06 1987 23:045
    
    
    	If it isn't already given up for me.. :-)
    
    						mike
81.11Can you wash dishes?DUBSWS::D_OSULLIVANWe're not stopping before Park Gate StreetMon May 18 1987 15:118
    Mike,
    	Are you going to try and get in without a visa?  If so talk
    to any Irish person you meet at your end and they'll give you all
    the right clues!
    
    :-) ~/~
    
    --Dermot
81.12Visa??? :-)AXEL::FOLEYRebel without a clueMon May 18 1987 22:147
    Dermot,
    
    	I already have all of those angles.. Someone close is "at my
    end".
    
    :-)
    						mike
81.13TINCUP::AGUEhttp://www.usa.net/~agueTue Feb 20 1996 12:518
    Why not add it here?
    
    In the news today: OJ Simpson has "his people" looking at property on
    the seacoast of Kerry.  He is apparently in the process of relocating
    his assets offshore in anticipation of losing big time in the civil
    suits filed against him.
    
    -- Jim
81.14XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Feb 20 1996 13:105
He shouldn't be allowed to do this.  Certainly in Ireland it's
possible for a court to say that a defendent may not decrease
his assets below a certain figure...

                       James.
81.15TALLIS::DARCYAlpha Migration ToolsTue Feb 20 1996 13:565
    I had heard on the radio he already has large investments in
    Ireland. The report also added that Irish banks keep foreign
    accounts very secret.
    
    Geo
81.16XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Feb 20 1996 14:285
I wish they would do the same with locally held accounts :-(.

Simpson might even become a citizen of the Emerald Isle
if he invests 1 million big ones in a scheme that will
provide employment to the local natives...
81.17oj won't reside here for tax reasonsMKTCRV::KMANNERINGSTue Feb 20 1996 15:2010
    I think if you become an Irish resident for tax purposes the Irish Revenue
    Commissioners have truly draconian powers, including the right to make
    your bank take your trousers down and get you to cough. That's why the
    likes of Dr Smurfit is a tax exile who doesn't pay a penny here.
    
    But overseas accounts? It is a very dark corner. There is now a
    European money laundering law but the Channel Islands seem to stil be
    favourite. 
    
    I think they should put oj on Inisvicilaun (?sp).
81.18Michael Jackson tooSOLVIT::OCONNELLWed Feb 28 1996 15:555
    I heard on the radio recently that Michael Jackson (aka "Jacko")
    is also looking to build a Neverland Ranch in Ireland, because
    he wants to be close to the leprechauns.  (sic)
    
    Noranne
81.19CBHVAX::CBHOwl-Stretching Time!Wed Feb 28 1996 16:016
please, no, that'd be terrible.  Did anyone see his performance on the Brits 
(Britannia Music, I think; a load of corporate music tosh, anyway) Awards a 
few days ago?  I don't think I've ever seen such a sickening performance by 
anyone before.

Chris.
81.20Close to the little people .... MSBCS::ODONNELLWed Feb 28 1996 19:596
    re: .18
    
    	I believe he wanted to be near " the little people" 
    	a.k.a. children, NOT the leprechans .... :-)