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    One dealer had these at a show in Chelmsford tonight.  Dealers all
    bought a box and broke them open.  310 cards/set.
    
    1) Cards 1A-20 are glossy, Scouting Report type cards of Rookies. 
    
    2) Chamberlain Heroes.  I bought 3 packs, got 2 Heroes.  Go figure.
    
    3) Apparently there's a West "Scouting report" subset, "Hard to get"
       20 cards, 7 of 20 are Jordan or Magic, according to 1 dealer.

    Picked up a box for 32$ last night. Haven't sorted them yet, but I got
    5 Chamberlains (nice job on these)  including the cover card, 6 of the
    "Jerry West Selects" cards,  1 hologram (AW3 Rodman)  and  2 of the 1A
    cards.  The 1A cards  you  send  in with a SASE and they'll send you a
    card of the Shaq. I also got a 32A (Magic) and 33A (Bird). Not sure if
    this means there's a regular 32 and 33 cards.
    
    Definitely a nice set though.
    
    John

    really?  Didn't know that about the 1A cards.  I must have done really
    well with the 3 packs I bought.  A 1A and 2 Chamberlains...
    

    walt, you are unbelievable, perhaps we could give you our pack
    money and just let you buy for us, I'm continually amazed at your
    good luck.  I bought 3 packs last night, not an insert in one of them.
    
    I agree that UD has (once again) done a real nice job, I really like
    the black background Chamberlain heroes, cover included.
    
    There are also 2 SPs, one called "Bird Retires", the other
    "Magic Returns" (not!).  I saw the Bird, nice looking, front
    has Larry in warmups, waving, inset at the bottom is a small newspaper
    with headline announcing "Bird Retires".
    
    jeff
    

    I got the Ultra Box courtesy of Madison, talk to her.  Although it
    was the same night I bought the UD packs... what phase was the moon
    in?
    

     Re .4  I saw the SP1 again and it has Bird on the front, Magic on the
    back, so there is just one SP in series 1.
    
    jeff
    

    	If anyone knows of any dealers seeing a box from $32 - $35
    range can you post it. I tryied some dealers yesterday in Worcester
    and none of them wanted to sell me a box. One dealer to me they are
    very hot and he sold 3 boxes today. I saw him buy 3 addtional
    boxes from a guy at $33 ea but he wouldn't let one go for $35, I guess
    if he can get $1.50 a pack why sell the box.
    
    I picked up 5 packs and got 2 of the send a way cards and two 
    Alonzo Mourning Rookie cards, no heros , no holograms.
    
    Miguel

    Ok, I didn't get a 1A... it was the checklist.  But I did get 2
    Wilts...
    

    One thing about this store I went  to (Hall of Fame Collectibles) is
    that he told me it was selling fast, but he didn't pull any back and
    he didn't change his price either.
    
    John

    I just picked up a box during lunch for $35 and only got 1 - Heros card,
    got 2 of the 1a cards got one hologram AW1 Micheal Jordan, and got
    6 of the Jerry West selects,Jw1(M.JORDAN),JW2(D.RODMAN),JW3(D.ROBINSON)
    JW14(S.AUGMON),JW16(S.KEMP) and JW18(L.Johnson) maybe that's way I didn't 
    get any more heros. Also for Rookies I got 2 (Alonzo Mourning), 
    2(Christian Laettner),2(LaPhonsoEllis).
    Nice set, I'll be  sorting out the cards some time and post my want list 
    if anymone wants to trade.
    
    MIguel 

    1A's are selling at shows for $10... I did get one and a Wilt header
    this weekend, but it took me 5 packs this time...
    

    Gee Walt, no luck at all, huh??!!   :-)
    
    dan
    

    It happens, you know?  
    Total to date:  9 packs, 2 Chamberlain + Header, 1 1a, 1 Jordan,
    2 Birds... plus assorted cards... 0 West cards, 0 SP1...

    You'll get burned when you buy a box Walt ! Just keep on buying the
    single packs.
    
    John

    Yeah, but boxes are down to $38... I'll have to buy a box soon...
    

    
    Pursuing accuracy in information, I once again correct myself
    regarding SP1, the front has "Bird Retires", tha back "Magic Retires"
    (not returns).
    
    jeff
    

    Dose anyone know how many holograms there are in the low series pack?
    I got a AW6 from a pack last night.
    
    Thanks
    Miguel

    Don't know...
    
    FYI - I bought 2 packs in Hudson yesterday, and got nothing worth
    mentioning.  I guess the odds caught up with me...
    

    
    Miguel, I believe there are 9 AW holos, with AW1 thru AW6 available
    in series 1, 7 thru 9 in series 2.
    
    jeff
    

    I went to a show this weekend in fitchburg a there was a kid telling
    people that upper deck printed a card (error) that had Shaq picture and
    some other players name and stats. is there any truth to this rumor?
    
    Alan

    I was shown the card at a dealers. I forgot the player (Terry
    Cartledge?) but the player was wearing #33. The picture on the
    front sure looks like Shaq. The back has Catledge(??) on it and there
    is a distinct difference between front and back. The back has
    a mustached player with hair. The front is a picture of a shaved
    headed person.
    
    hmmm!
    
    Steve

    Terry Catledge wears 33, Shaq, wears 32...
    

    I'm sure there'll be some dealer out there asking some exorbitant
    amount of money now saying it's an error card, it'll be corrected
    and the usual hype.
    
    John

    Guess what?
    
    UD Hoop second print.  No West Cards. 10 Card All-rookie set.  Yes,
    is wax boxes, not in jumbos or locker boxes....
    
    thanks guys...
    

    
    This is what they refer to as hobby wax vs. retail wax.  The hobby
    wax came out first and had the West Select inserts.  The retail wax is 
    now showing up with the All Rookie Team inserts.  The packs have a red
    stripe across the top.
    
    And don't forget this is just series 1!  UD will drown us in 92-93
    Basketball by the time they are done, another nice UD product
    ruined by over-production.  Two types of wax boxes, lockers with
    4 Jumbo packs, regular Jumbos, and that's just series 1.  There
    are something like 5 different insert sets, but all with the same
    series 1 cards, enough is enough!
    
    jeff
    

    Why are dealers trying to get $50/box + for these?  It doesn't make
    sense to me either.
    
    Are the West Selects shorter print?
    

    	I saw the jumbo packs yesterday at a store in Worcester and
    there's another 28 card subset, bad part about it there's only
    20 packs per box and at $3.50 a pack which he's selling them for
    it's better to buy the subset.
    All we need now is for the Lockers to have another subset.
    Starting to get tired of all these subsets......
    
    Miguel

    Subset is team MVP, 1 per team.  Guys like Robinson, Thomas, R. Miller,
    Worthy, Richardson...  Center cards in Billerica has them for
    $2.50/pack.  Still didn't interest me.  Bought my Robinson and Thomas
    and went about my business.
    

    Center Sports also had a bunch of the minor MVP cards for 1$ each.
    
    John

    re 423.42, I'm surprised Upper Deck is issuing the same shaq card that 
    they will send to people for 1A. I thought series II would be all new
    cards. 
    
    I wonder if they'll issue a new shaq card as #32, and isn't Mourning
    #33? (to replace magic and bird 32a and 33a).
    
    pretty weird ("a" cards)
    
    

    Ok, I've got 5 of these 1A cards... I want to send 3 in and hold the
    other two for now.  Should I send one envelope or 3?
    
    -Walt
    

    reg:508.31
    
    Walt, it might be worth sending all 5 cards since they have an
    expiration date on them, after that date the card is worthless.
    
    
    I mailed my 4 1a cards at the same time and on the self address
    envelope I added two .29 cent stamps and I also mailed them certified
    mail to make sure they got them.
    
    Miguel

    I sent mine separately. I don't think it says explitely that separate
    envelopes are required, but for a few extra cents, might as well play
    it safe. It does require a business size envelope, so I'm guessing they
    have a large cardboard sleeve to put the card in or something.
    
    -dennis

    Apparently, All-NBA inserts are in the locker series cards...
    

    What the experation date on this special Shaq card?
    
    Just asking because i haven't even started the basketbal "season" yet?
    
    \thx, alex

    Sometime in June.
    

    Locker boxes are out now... saw them for $15/box, 4 packs/box, $4/pack.
    Waiting for them to come down....  All-star team inserts in these...
    I passed...

    
    I have a chance to pick up the UD Shaq card, that you get when you
    mailed in the card from Series I, for $10.  Is that a reasonable price?
    Or too high?
    
    Regards,
    Denny
    

    
    Do you plan to open any packs/boxes of UD Basketball series 2?  If so
    then you're likely to pull the same Shaq card.  If you aren't
    going to open any series 2 and just want the Shaq card, I think $10
    is a bit much but probably in line with retail/high Beckett will be.
    If you want the card and will enjoy getting it now, go for it, else
    wait, you can probably do better.
    
    jeff
    

    Series II packs will include card #1 for the Shaq with  "No. 1 NBA
    Draft Pick" in gold foil across the top. For the cards sent in for
    the trade in promotion (Card 1A in Series I packs), you'll receive
    a card numbered #1B.  This card will  feature  the same picture as
    card #1 except the top  of  the  card will be stamped in gold foil
    with "Trade Card". If you sent in the 1A card, you'll get one back
    stamped "Traded".  I'm sure they'll also have some insert cards of
    him also.
    
    John

    Okay, so which card will Becketts list with a "RC" next to it, or will
    both have a "RC" next to them?
    
    Sorry, that's what I meant to ask in my original question.  $10 for
    Shaq rookie card seems reasonable to me. Right?  However, $10 for a
    random Shaq card (that would be considered one of the "first" UD cards)
    leads me to a different set of decisions.
    
    Regards,
    Denny

    Whichever comes first is probably his rookie card. If packs come out
    before they start  mailing  out the 1B cards,  I'd say it's card #1.
    I'm sure 1B will probably  be  available  in  lesser than quantities
    since some people hung onto  to  the  "Trade" cards. I'm sure the #1
    cards won't be fetching the prices like the "Trade" card since a lot
    of that price was due to the early hype  and  rumors of only one per
    case that dealers were spreading earlier.
    
    John

    got my Trade Shaq card in the mail this weekend. The card is pretty
    nice, it's a triple image of him going up for a jam (as pictured on the
    front of the new Becketts.)
    
    -dennis

    I saw the Larry Bird Heroes set in SCD. Pretty nice looking. With
    this set  and  the Shaq cards in it, UD Series II will fetch some
    good prices.
    
    By the way,  at a show last weekend, one dealer had an Upper Deck
    Series I box that had  all  the Jerry West Selects in it. The box
    itself had on the outside  something  like "This box contains all
    20 Jerry West Selects cards". The dealer wanted 60$ for it.
    
    John

    Picked up 10 packs of Series II tonight. Looks like 8 high number
    cards per pack.  High numbers run from 311-510 so it's a 200 card
    set.  Lots  of  subsets  (In Your Face,  All-Star, Slam Dunk (the
    Miner card is  stamped  Champion already), Fanimation subset, Top
    Rookie Prospects). I got most of the big name prospects including
    Shaq, Miner, Mourning, Laettner etc. I also got an SP2 which is a
    double sided card of Jordan and Wilkins scoring 20,000 pts. and a
    PC5 15,000 pt club insert card  of  Isiah Thomas . The Shaq pros-
    pect was the only Shaq I got, no 1B, also no Bird Heroes.
    
    John

    Saw them in Albany for $70/box.   Bird highlights have a green/yellow
    scheme.  Shaqw card #1 included in the set (not 1a or 1b), which looks
    like the card they send you in mail, but don't say "trade in" on top.
    Jimmy Jackson and Doug Christie are cards 33 and 32 I believe.
    
    -Walt
    

    
    I'm rippin' some packs as I write this.  I'm getting 9 high #'s per
    pack and so far doing pretty good with Bird Heroes (5 so far of
    of 20 packs!)  
    
    Random thoughts:
    
    I have hit 1 Shaq #1 (it's plain #1 no 1a/1b).  I don't
    know this with any certainty but I believe UD may intentionally only
    be putting in an average of 1 Shaq RC (plain #1) per box.  So far I
    know of one other person who opened 2 boxes, he got only 1 Shaq #1
    in the two boxes.  It makes sense as a marketing ploy and avoids
    them getting the rap for essentially double printing the Shaq card.
    
    If you only get one per box (if you're lucky) and Dr Jim labels
    this plain #1 as the "RC", then UD has some hype with which to move
    what we all know will be a ton of high number basketball.  With the mix
    of high/low they will kill the low series by the time they are thru
    with hooby & retail high wax, high lockers & jumbos.  I hate the 
    high/low mix.
    
    I would think the retail wax, when it comes out, will overshadow the
    hobby wax since the retail wax has a Shaq insert.  Who will care about
    the 15,000 point club (insert in the hobby wax) when you can get the
    same box of cards with a chance at a Shaq insert.
    
    Lockers also have a Shaq insert only available in the lockers.  I can't
    wait to see what store owners and other dealers will be trying to get
    a piece for high lockers.  Lows retailed from stores for around
    $15-$16, I can see high lockers being hyped to $25+/each.  I hope I'm
    wrong.
    
    For you unethical types (not that there are any reading this notes
    file), the inserts in high number UD basketball are UV coated and
    slip fairly well.  In experimenting with my box, I was able to detect
    the presence of inserts before opening the packs.  Kinda of like
    Fleer Jumbos and the rookie sensations, although the UDs are a bit
    tighter.  I'm not advocating you do this to pick good packs, but rather
    give you this information to protect you against the slimy dealer
    (sorry mike k., certainly nothin' personal) who may be doing this.
    If you see a guy @ a show selling 3/4 of a box for much less than
    everyone else, buyer beware.  As always best to buy/pick from a
    frsh, just opened box or from a dealer you trust.
    
    Oh yeah, I paid $57 for the box on a splurge, 'cause I needed a fix,
    the dealer kept telling me what a great price that was.  ALthough
    with the amount of inserts I'm hitting, maybe he'll be right!
    
    jeff
    

    I went to a dealer last night in Worcester who's pre-saleing a set of
    36 Basketball Holograms from upperdeck for $20. Just like they did for the 
    baseball and, it dose have a Shaq in it.
    
    Miguel 

    
    A decent box (one might even say "loaded"!):
    
    7 Bird Heroes (all different numbers, thank you!)
    Bird Hero Cover (found on the eigth level with about 5 packs to go)
    4 15,000 point club PC inserts
    1 AW9 Jordan Holo
    1 #1 Shaq
    2 #32 Jim Jackson
    1 #33 D Christie  (I may have these two numbers reversed)
    2 Fanimation cards (I think there are 5 fanimation cards in all,
                        the last 5 cards in the set, I don't have the
    			checklist handy but it's something like 506-510
    			are the fanimations)
    Also, I think I got 3 Shaq top prospects and 2 Shaq all-star regular
    cards.
    
    Started sorting, haven't finished yet but I don't have anywhere
    near a high number set, I know I'm missing 3 or so fanimations plus
    several of the NBA Jam session cards, missing a few top prospects, etc.
    
    I guess UD thinks collectors won't mind the low number cards being
    in the packs because you can get 3 new cards in those low numbers (#1,
    32 & 33).  So it makes it something to carefully look at your low
    numbers for.
    
    I still hate the high/low mix.  But a very niiiice box insert wise,
    did I get lucky or will this kind of insert tally be commonplace?
    I'd be interested to know what anyone else hears or experiences
    opening a box.
    
    Overall the cards are very nice, building on a real nice low series.
    I could do without their multi-packaging/multi-insert/over production
    of low number cards, but I still give the cards 4 1/2 sticks out of
    5 on the John St. Onge memorial Gum-O-Meter (trademark and patent
    pending).
    
    jeff
    
    
    
    

    Re: .49
    
    I agree on the low number/high number mix. Steve Hayes opened two boxes
    and couldn't make a high number set.  The box I opened had 4 PC inserts
    and 2 Birds (one was a cover).  No #1 and only 1 Shaq Prospect and All-
    Star. No SP2 or holograms.
    
    John

    
    Got my inserts sets mixed up.  Saw the high number lockers today ($20),
    they have the ten card "Foreign Exchange" subset featuring players
    born outside the US of A.  So I'm assuming it's the Jumbos along with
    the retail wax that have Shaq in their insert sets.  I think these
    high lockers will come down in price over time, I mean they are really
    stretching for a subset theme with this one.
    
    jeff