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    The one advertiser in Tuff Stuff who had these advertised, was
    pre-selling for $75/box, $1400/case.
    
    The NBA and UD are currently battling (in court?) over whose going
    to control the distribution of these.  Everyone cross your fingers
    that the NBA wins, for a couple of reasons:
    
    	- They'll be a lot more readily available, (lower prices)
    	- None of UD's normal shenanigans
    	- There will be UD BK cards (seriously, if UD wins, you think
    	  the NBA will approve/renew their license?  hardly ...)
    
    It's going to be a 280 card first series.  Unless they find a way
    to make their decollation even worse, or they decrease the number
    of cards/pack, you should be able to get (or very close to) a
    complete set out of one box.
    
    -rjk

    Anyone out there going to order a case,if so,I'll be willing to
    purchase a box or two ............
    
                  John Mondo
    

    I'd take a box.

    If the price is right I'll take two boxes.
    
    Miguel

If the price is right, I'll take 2-3 boxes too!

				Mike

    
    me 3!  Count me in also.
    
    Ok, what was in reply .6? :-)
    
    curious jeff
    

    
    	I am interested in a box too, but would like to know what the price
    	is going to be before making a final decision.

    
    Knock it off guys.  If someone volunteers to get this together, then
    send them mail.   I'm not going to have a 100 replies in here saying
    "me too me too".
    
    I'm sure we'd all like UD Basketball, and I *KNOW* we'd like them at
    a reasonable price.
    
    Right now, the pre-order prices I've been quoted for a case, and for
    a box, are EXTREMELY high.  I'm talking $1100-$1400/case, $65-80/box.
    
    I won't get into this, but someone a short while ago did indeed try
    and put together a "Mass. noters buying power" group, but almost all
    the people asked to "join" were only only willing to buy the boxes
    once all the work had been done.  Very few were willing to take their
    turn doing the work, collecting the money, putting the cards on their
    credit card, etc.
    
    It's a shame, because I think we could all really help each other out.
    
    -rjk

    
    	Here is an idea: set up a mass buyers group, give them numbers as
    	they join. Once you have the sufficient number of people, the first
    	one in the list buys the case the first time, the 2nd. down the
    	list the 2nd time, and so on...  
    
    	Establish some rules, for example: 
    	once you join, you make a commitment to continue and take your
    	place in the ordering process, if you back down later on, then
    	you will not be allowed to join anymore.
    
	This is just my idea, if anyone has any other suggestions, or a
    	better idea, I would like to hear it.
    	
                                                     

    I called BIG BOB'S Yesterday,(9-30-91) and spoke with one of the 
    salesmen and he told me that Upperdeck was only going to make 15,000
    cases because the NBA was going to control the quantity on them.He
    told me if you buy under a case it will cost (69.95) low,and $75.00
    for the Hi. If you buy a case this would be the breakdownon on the 
    LOW & Hi series.
    
    Hi Series 20 % lower than the Low Series.
    
    Low Series  $1295.00  p/case,24 boxes p/case  $54.50 per box
    Hi Series   $1495.00    "       "       "     $62.80 per box
    
    Shipping is included in the price. I will be willing to buy the low
    series at this time,I have to have a money order in by 7 days. 
    
    Orders have to be in ASAP 7 days from now or the price will go up,
    as of now I'm locked in at this price.
    
                                            John M
    

    Sorry,
    on the Hi Series their going to produce 20% less than the Low Series.
      
    John
    
    If I don't get all the money in my hand by Monday the deal is OFF.
    10-7.
    

  I have to agree with John.  I may look foolish for not paying $50+, but I
can't believe it will stay that high.  The case only costs them 1/3rd of that 
at most.


  I'll pass at that price.  If someone comes up with a more reasonable price, I'm
interested.  I know someone on the outside also looking at cases.


					Mike B

    
    The question is, will UD come out with a factory set of these
    or the Football cards?

    For you Noters who wanted in on the U/D Basketball,I have to 
    tell you that it's off,there just wasn't enough of a response.
    The only reason why I did this was because no one wanted to start it,
    if anyone gets a better deal,and wants to do something about it,then I 
    might be interested. Mike now I know the feeling !
    
                                John
    

    I agree with John.  If it was in the $30 range, fine.  Otherwise,
    I'll take my chances... sorry Mondo...
    
    -Walt

    I just got a great deal over the weekend,$27.00 a box. It's through
    a co-op club that I belong to. Every 2 or 3 weeks I get a copy of
    what he is ordering,and we get first preferance on ordering what we
    want.Has anyone seen them for less than this ?
    
    JM
    

    
    I saw ads (and they're getting more plentiful) with pre-order
    prices of $40 and $44.95 in the latest Tuff Stuff.
    
    -rjk

    A litlle late,but yes John,I'm glad I didn't get sucked in at
    $54.00.......
    John
    

    Saw UD's promo sheets this weekend, they look really nice.  They are
    going to produce them in the same Low/High numbers deal as all other UD
    cards.  Talked to my Dealer who said he is going to sell them at $60 a
    box, which is too rich for me.  Guess I'll have to wait and see if they
    produce them in a set.  They are going to be quite limited in
    production, because the NBA is controlling how many cards will be
    released.  Too bad the NBA couldn't control the price of them too.

    The NBA has the same licensing agreement with UD that they do with
    all the other card companies.
    
    Anyone who tells you UD will be limited, is exaggerating.  I won't
    say LYING, because they will eventually, someday stop printing
    them, which means they do have a finite limiting to them.
    
    But as to limited in terms of scarcity?  Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha
    
    We heard the same crap with UD FB which started out at $70/box, 
    and has recently been found as low as $19/box.
    
    Name me ONE UD product you cannot still find on a dealer's table
    at ANY show or card shop?  It's all still available.  UD limited?
    Hardly ...
    
    -rjk

    Latest attempt to, uh, mess with the customer.
    
    There will be 2 ways to buy these cards.  1) via the box, claimed
    to be $60-$80/box.
    
    Something called the locker room or something like that.  Come's
    in a box that looks like a locker.  Holds 400 cards, comes with 7
    packs of cards a "special" Michael (Mr. Spokesman) card and a set
    of rookie stars not found in regular cards.  6 or 7 different Jordan
    cards, 1 per locker set.
    
    Oh boy... my heart be still...
    

    	I went the a dealer yesterday and he had a pack of UD basketball
    cards from the L.A Lakers for commemorating the pre-season games
    they playied in Paris. The set was sealed in a see thu plastic with
    a hologram on the other side of a basketball and Paris written on
    and and a sheet commemorating the event. 
    He wouldn't give me a price wasn't sure what they were worth and he 
    didn't want to let them go at a low price when maybe, they could be
    worth a lot of money, And of course they're "VERY LIMITED" like
    everything else.  
    
    
    Miguel

    I saw these same promos at a shop Wednesday and asked them how much
    they were.  They too were hesitant to quote a price.  I have a feeling,
    Miguel, we went to the same shop since I know you go to this particular
    shop.  Anyway, they said that it would be probably around $50 but want
    to wait so that they don't sell it too cheap.  $50 is a pretty good
    margin for something free.  They said they might wait to see if it is
    priced in Tuff Stuff.  I'm sure they'll consult SCD or that Sportsnet
    thing.  Guess some dealers can't think for themselves.
    
    Called a friend who got them.  Turns out he went to a show as a
    customer and sold the cards to a dealer and went out to dinner with the
    proceeds.  He gave the sheet to his brother.  Oh well.
    
    Lance  

    
    
       	Saw the same cards at a shop and they sold at $100

    	Did any one watch inside Stuff on Sunday? On every commerical
    break they showed cards, first one was HOOPS, then the next break
    SKYBOX and, on there 3rd break to my surprise they should UPPERDeck
    Basketball cards looked pretty nice on tv. I guess Fleer can't
    afford to advertise.
    
    On the that special set of the Lakers I talked about it to another
    dealer in Worcester and, all the Dealers got them thu the mail with
    the certificate as a promo and they did the same with there hockey
    when it came out.
    So Lance your right $50 is too much, maybe $15 would be better if
    we can find it.
    
    Miguel

	Locker Series...?

	Locker Series Foil Packs contain special rookie cards only available
	in this series. Six different lockers, each have 7 packs w/12 cards
	per pack.

	The cheapest I see it right now is $750/case (24 boxes) and 
	$375/case (30 boxes) for the locker series.

    Saw the Basketball for the first time today... I won't
    mention the price... This is crazy!

    
    Delaers had them this weekend.  $2.50/pack.
    
    Dealer had the Robinson card out at $8, and told me it was a "steal"
    because the price guide was going to come out with it at $15.
    
    Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
    
    Other UD BK news ...
    
    Most ads in SCD now have the cards down to $33-40/box -- including
    the "Magazine Exchange" -- my unofficial metric of card pricing.
    They invariably charge TOO much for everything, so whatever they
    have as a price, I consider an upper limit of initial pricing.  Their
    latest ad had them for $34.95 a box.
    
    Oh, and lest anyone buy into the "but the NBA is limiting them to
    the ''amount they can produce''" scarcity line, about 50% of the
    ads in SCD have them listed.  Scarce my ars.
    
    -rjk

    Don't get sucked in at $2.50 a pack.  I talked to my dealer today, who
    ordered 3 cases direct from the factory, and he is paying $576 a case,
    which figures out to $24 a box.  He said he is going to set his prices
    at $50, maybe higher depending on what the other dealers in town are
    selling them for.  I figure within a month or two, the prices will have
    dropped into the $30 range.  I just don't think that the dealer should
    have a markup of over 100% for any cards.
    Don't get sucked in by the hype and high prices!

    Are ther any UD basketball WAX packs in the stores yet?
    Going price?
    
    Thanks,
    
    SteveO'

    
    The only WAX I've seen out is some high priced stuff that a few
    dealers got to have it before the general shipment started.  This is
    all $2.50/pack stuff people are seeing, $75/box.  It almost like they
    leaked some "promo" type cases out a little early, probably on the
    west coast.
    
    According to one dealer up here UD shipped his order this past Monday, 
    which he says means he will have it by this coming monday.  I would 
    guess the potential is there for UD basketball to be around at shows this
    weekend.  It may stay high for one weekend ($40-$50 or more per box)
    but even by next week I think it will be all over the place in the 30s.  
    From there if you are even a little patient it should follow the hockey 
    and football into the mid to high 20s per box.  Pre-orders could be had
    for $30/box, less in some areas of the country, so the going price
    ought to be about the same as hockey, maybe a little more than football.
    
    With all the competition out there these days, high prices might
    not even last thru the first weekend, given that the huge Andover
    show is this weekend.  If there are at least several dealers at
    Andover with UD basketball watch it fall from friday to sunday as
    they jockey to move product. 
    
    jeff
    
    

    
    I may turn out to be a bit optimistic in the last reply, one tidbit I
    heard from a dealer today is that apparently the cash is flowing out
    of some current products (TSC hockey in particular) and into others
    (UD Basketball in particular).  This fits with what seems to be
    happening to TSC hockey, a rapid drop as dealers unload to buy other
    products, one they are buying is UD basketball at $1000/case!
    ($41.67/box).  So dealers may try and hold prices up for awhile on
    UD basketball, but the fatcory costs and production are around the
    same as for football and hockey, so don't buy it high, make 'em sweat!
    (bj's will get it in a few weeks for $19/box, etc. same as hockey)
    
    jeff
    

    Hudmar has boxes at 39.  I opened a box.. Some of the cards are great.
    Mike

    I picked up 2 boxes this weekend, one for $30 and the other for $40. 
    My dealer ordered 3 cases, they came in Friday and he was sold out by
    5pm on Saturday.  He raised his price to $50 a box for the last case,
    and they still went.  I haven't opened the second box yet, but I was
    about 100 cards short of a set from the first box.  I got 4 Jordan
    Holo's, and 5 Robertson Holo's.  There is a Stocton Holo, but I haven't
    seen it yet.  If anybody see's any other ones please list them.  The
    set looks really nice.

	
	At a show last night.... $35/box..  

    
    
    A/B Cards in W. Acton, Mass has the UD Basketball for either $34.95 or
    $35.95 a box.  He had about case and one half left Tuesday night.
    
    Regards,
    Denny
    

    I opened a box last night, these cards are sharp!

    My favorite cards so far are the Shawn Kemp and Dominique Wilkens,
    both great dunk shots.

    I'm sure I'm well short of a set; I didn't get a Jordon or a Magic
    or a Kenny Anderson, but I did get duplicates of Robinson, Bird, and
    Motumbo (anyone want to trade?)

    I'm disapointed in the draft cards, most are in suits, some are in
    their new uniforms, but no actions shots. I really like the UD football
    draft cards, great pictures of the players from college, and I was
    hoping Basketball would be similar.

    I got four holograms (3 stoctons, and 1 A. Robertson), these don't do 
    much for me.
    
    What's left for series II?         

    My son bought the last bax of UD Basketball from A/B Cards last night. 
    The owner said we went through 72 boxes in 8 days.  He was really
    happy with the products.
    
    Anyway, Does anyone have any details on the set?  My son got one
    Jordan Holo (AW1) and 3 Robertsons (AW2)?  Are there other Hologram
    cards in the set?  I've heard that there are 400 cards in this set.  Is
    that true?  Will there be a High Number set?  Any details would be
    appreciated.
    
    Regards,
    Denny
    

    
    Yes, 400 cards in the first series.  Pretty sure there will be a
    second series.  Rookies in their new uniforms, trades, signings,
    etc., all represented there.
    
    There are three initial holograns; Michael Jordan, Alvin
    Robertson, and John Stockton.  These seem to be taking the course
    of the hockey cards; award winners.
    
    -rjk

    
    Anyone looking to trade UD Basketball, please send what you need and
    what you have for extra's to CARTUN::PAVLOCK. We'll have our list ready
    by Monday.
    
    Thanks in advance,
    Denny
    

    Would the person who entered note 311.48 (EVETPU::MCEVOY) please send
    me some mail and tell me how I can reach him/her.  His/Her node is unknown
    to my system.  I worked with my system manager to  get
    TLE::EVETPU::MCEVOY only to get a message back that there's no such
    user.
    
    I'm interested in trading with him or her as 311.48 requests.
    
    Regards,
    Denny

    looks like CERBUS hasn't updated our node to DTIF. please send me
    mail at opurt::mcevoy.
    
    thanks -dennis

    So DDIF is now DTIF?
    
    mumble grumble ....

 >   So DDIF is now DTIF?
 >   
 >  mumble grumble ....


	No, actually DDIF:: has been around for awhile, the other boot node
	in our cluster was EVETPU:: now renamed to DTIF:: a few months ago,
	cerbus:: needs a node db update.  

	To avoid completely wasting this reply, I want to ask if anyone has
	heard about heroes for the UD basketball.  There is no "Find the ..."
	on the packs, apparently there are no heroes in the low number wax.
	I had thought someone mentioned Larry Bird awhile back, then also a
	dealer told me Michael "I want to be like Mike" Jordan had signed
	on as spokeperson for UD basketball.  

    
    It took a week longer than I had originally hypothosized but
    UD Bball was all over for $30/box at a show today and it was
    moving briskly at that price.  Dead at $32/box, $30 was the magic
    number.  Funny thing, I know one local shop dealer who is lining
    up people for the 2nd part of his shipment due this week @ $40/box!
    People are evidently clammering to get it at $40 before xmas... they
    should get out to a show once in awhile.  The 20s are next, with
    grand prize probably at one of these amazing wharehouse joints,
    $19/box for Bball would be a nice buy...
    
    Can one of you wharehouse hounds pick me up a box? :-)
    
    jeff
    

    Looking through the checklists, I now know why I didn't get a Kenny
    Anderson, there isn't one. Looks like they only made cards of draft
    picks that had signed at press time. I'm sure the rest of the late
    signees will be in series II.
    
    I don't think there is a Rick Fox card though, and he was one of the
    first to sign.
    
    I noticed another great photo on the back of the spud webb card is
    a picture of him next to James Edwards who is about 3 times as big as
    spud (like the grinch's heart...)
    
    

    Yep, $30 at a show here last week-end.  Do you really think they'll
    get down to $20 soon?  I can't wait much longer!!
    
    

    
    If you can't wait much longer, $30 ain't bad for this point in time.
    Your tipoff (sorry) to the quantity of UD basketball is to see how much
    further and how quickly boxes break in the $20s.  If there is a ton
    to be had, dealers will be cutting sales at whatever it takes to move
    boxes, if they hold at $30 and not many are cutting deals at below $30,
    the current replacement availability may not be great.  But patience
    with UD will always yield you a cheaper box then you could have
    gotten a week ago (or at least no more exspensive).  Hockey seems
    to have leveled off at $25-$28, but it's not as if you can't
    find all you want, probably at less if you want alot.  Toys r us
    just got their UD hockey, $27.55 a box all you want, that ought to
    push show retail prices towards $25 or better.  I don't see anything 
    that says the basketball won't be the same, even if the price levels 
    off at retail show $30/box for now, watch it when there are several more 
    '92 baseballs and 2nd series basketballs out.
    
    There are so many products and so much competition to sell them that
    it is really a buyer's market big time and UD doesn't limit anything
    it prints.
    
    jeff
    

    Has anyone heard the rumor about the Jordan Heros card that's suppose
    to be in the wax box and since there was problems signing Jordan,
    they didn't make first printing and are coming out during there second
    printing?
    If this is true than I suppose that there going to be alot of these
    stuff out there.
    
    Miguel 

    
    Ok, now I see that prices came down fast to $30 because dealers are
    dumping the now 'totally bogus' 1st printing.  And loading up on orders
    off the wire for cases of certified 2nd printing with heroes.  Prices
    per box for w/heroes UD basketball will hit new hegihts, where can we
    go to pre-order a few boxes?  Quick!  I want in on 3 for $50 each!
    If someone will guarentee that holos #7 & 8 are in these boxes, I'll
    pay $60/each  ;-)
    
    Seriously though, Miguel, you expect if this rumor is true there
    will be alot of what stuff out there?  1st printing or 2nd with
    Jordo heroes?
    
    jeff
    

    Bought a box for $35.00,and got 4 Jordon Holograms,could someone tell
    me who,and how many Holograms there are.......... John
     

    
    1st series of holograms ...
    
    AW1, AW2, AW3 - Michael Jordan, Alvin Robertson, and John Stockton.
    
    -rjk

    a few notes have mentioned "jumbo paks", have these hit the Mass. area
    yet?  where?  how much?
    
    
    thanks!
    
    -jb

	I don't know if they hit the mass area yet, but I have noticed
	them in the RI area. I could have picked a box up for $65 yesterday.

	They have one "Rookie Standout" in each pack and there are 20 packs
	in a box. 27 cards per pack, for a total of 540 cards per Jumbo box.
	Which works out to an average of .12 cents per card. I think the boxes
	are still priced to high. The dealer I saw that had them was selling
	single pack for $4. I saw the RS sets selling for $45 in SCD. So if 
	they hold that price, then maybe $65 for a box isn't bad. 

	I'm waiting another couple weeks. But I do think if your going to
	save these cards the only way to go is the Jumbo box. Else you have
	to go out and buy these 20 Rookie Standouts if you what them. And
	we now what thats going to cost us $$$$.

    
    These are also available in the tremendously over-priced "locker
    boxes".
    
    Originally dealers hyped pre-orders on the locker boxes as being
    the only one to get these "rookie standout" cards.
    
    Either UD lied to the dealers, or the dealers li... naw, I won't
    say it.
    
    -rjk

    Believe it or not, I got my jumbo packs at a Mobil gas station in
    Milford NH for the $1.98 price tag that is on the pack.  I should have
    bought both boxes but ended up getting 1 box.  You have to check around
    the local gas stations and convenient shops.  I refused to pay the
    $3.50+ prices that some were asking at the local card shops...
    
    Bob

    
    Excellent!  It is highway robbery to see $1.98 right on the pack
    and yet the dealer is asking $3.25-$3.75.  The jumbos are only in
    the hands of the wholesalers, who are jacking up the box price
    to regular dealers.  But when they do distribute them to some
    the stores/gas stations, those folks will sell them at SRP.
    
    The price from UD to the wholesalers is $20/box, it is a shame that
    100% profit isn't enough for some of these guys, but the argument goes
    that these same whoelsalers also get stuck with alot of crap, so when
    they get something "hot" like UD jumbos, they gouge for what they
    can get to make up for the rest of the junk.
    
    Gee I think I'm low on gas... 
    
    jeff
    

	I called several places in SCD. First of all, nobody had them.
	Second, the one person who did have them was sell cases only.
	The cases where selling for $1195 plus $13 Shipping. Thats about
	$60/box. (20 boxes per case)

	Still to rich for my blood. I'm not sure what I'ld jump at, maybe $50
	$45 for sure...

               
                      >> Upper Deck Jumbos <<
    
    I just bought a box last night $45.00,I also put 2 boxes on layaway
    to be picked up today.I know that he had 3 boxes left,and I can
    probably give him a call and have him put them on the side for me.
    If your real seriuos and want a box give me a call,I don't like 
    tying up my money for someone who changes their mind at the last
    minute,so if you really want them contact me at,
    
    Rookies are marked  R1,R2,R3 and so on.
    John M.
    
                                          DTN 226-2256
                                          Boards::Mondalto 
    
    

	John

	Let us know how the distribution of 'Rookie Standouts' are in a
	box... There are twenty packs per box, so that tells me that the
	whole set should be in each box....8^))) ya right!

    All the jumbos have been sold,wouldn't it be great to come up with 
    great deals like this at least once a week.      
    
    I'll see you guys Monday..........
    
    
       John M.

    I picked up a box at a Mr.  Paperback bookstore here in Augusta, for
    the 1.98 on the packs.  I didn't know how lucky I was until I swung by
    my dealer after, and he has them at 4.00 a pack.  I don't know how well
    you guys are doing, I've only opened 4 packs, and 3 of the Standout's
    were Jason Williams from the sixers.

    
    You guys might want to think about not opening all your boxes just yet,
    have you seen the prices on the silver slugger set this month? Those
    only came in the jumbos too. These limited sets are going to be sought
    after in the not too distant future.
                                              ^
    My opinion only, and subject to scrutiny [|:^)
                                              |
    
    Jim

    One dealer had them for $3.50 /pack... had opened a few, and was
    selling Brown and Coleman for $6/piece.  Most of the rest were in the
    $2-$3 range.  Set for $54.  Said a box would cost about $65 if I bought
    one from him.
    
    Anyone seen/heard about any Basketball Heroes cards?
    

    Is there a Rumeal Robinson "R" card? could someone please post
    a checklist? thanks -dennis
    

    
    Over the weekend boxes of jumbos were selling briskly at $54 and
    $55 per box.  One dealer had broken down many jumbos and was selling
    the rookie standout sets for $40, not bad given the cost of the jumbos,
    but $2 a card seems a bit much.  
    
    jeff
    

	RE: .78

	2$/RS cards is the cheapest you'll find them (right now). 40$/set
	is still high, buying singles for 2$ I can see, but the set should
	be selling for $30 top!

	I've seen the Dee Brown card going for 7$, Coleman must be up there
	two. But besides these two guys who else is a big name player? Dee
	Brown hasn't even played 30sec of basketball this year and his cards
	are climbing.. Figure it out.

	I was able to buy 17 of the 20 card set from one dealers who had many
	RS cards, but couldn't put anymore set together. 25$ for the 17 cards
	I thought was a good price. All I have to do now is find Brown,Coleman
	and one other.

	I have the list of RS's. I'll post them in this topic tonight when I
	get home.

    From what I saw, the key people were Brown and Coleman.  I don't
    remember if Simmons was there or not.  The rest were not superstars,
    they were guys like Jayson Williams, Tony Smith, Gary Payton, etc.
    Good players, but not worth $5/card.

	    	----- Rookie Standouts Checklist -----

    RS1  Gary Payton	    RS8  Loy Vaught	    RS15 Eldon Campbell	
    RS2  Dennis Scott	    RS9  Travis Mays	    RS16 Negele Knight
    RS3  Kendall Gill	    RS10 Derrick Coleman    RS17 Chris Jackson
    RS4  Felton Spencer	    RS11 Duane Causwell	    RS18 Danny Ferry
    RS5  Bo Kimble	    RS12 Dee Brown	    RS19 Tony Smith
    RS6  Willie Burton	    RS13 Gerald Glass	    RS20 Cedric Ceballos
    RS7  Tyrone Hill	    RS14 Jayson Williams

    re. -1
    
    Agreed.
    
    I enjoy collecting this stuff, I have a problem with the high prices
    and alleged scarcity of the cards.  When the silver slugger s came came
    out the where hot hot.  A freind tried to sell a set he put together a
    while back, he may as well as been selling mood rings.  The dealers
    really wanted them bad.  NOT!  They sit in the display cases in South
    Carolina and are colder than the Gamecocks.  (for those of you not in
    the know, they are commonly known as the lamecocks for their excellence
    in sports)
    
    Anyway, is this stuff more of the same?  I would be willing to
    bet that Silver Sluggers can be had cheap.  Come on really, how many
    scarce inserts can a collector take?  For me the novelty has worn off. 
    
    Jon

    
    As Dennis and walt were mentioning the 'Here's what I found.."
    note, the locker boxes are the way to go if you want to collect the
    rookie standouts.  7 standouts, 1 per pack, plus the box holds the
    400 card set rather nicely.  At show's this weekend dealers were
    trying to get $14 and $16 for a locker box, however a local store
    here in southern nh is doing quite a business in them at $12 (tax
    free!).  Awhile ago I was able to pre-order one from a store in
    maryland for $9.95, so my guess is that dealer cost is somewhere
    around $7-$8 (maybe?).  Not a bad deal at $12 (or less) and you don't
    get as many extras cards that you might not need as with the jumbos.
    
    Jumbos should fall in price, anybody reasonably local who wants a locker 
    for $12, send mail I'll pick them up while the guy still has some.
    
    jeff
    

    
    Well the guy had 20 locker at 2:30p.m. when I bought one, went
    back after work he had sold them all, I guess when the store beats
    the shows the stores sells.
    
    jeff
    

    strange that there's no Lionel Simmons RS card, I wonder if that 
    means there's more of them to come as well.

    Word from the dealers is the last 3 holos will be Manute Bol, Blocked
    Shots.  Rodman for Rebounds, and Coleman for Rookie of the Year, but
    this isn't a lock, as noone has seen them yet.

    A few notes back I said I was not going to go in for the insert card
    craze... well I broke down today when I found the jumbos at Piggly
    Wiggly for 1.98 (srp).  Since I have not bought any UD Basketball
    anyway I figure the jumbo's are a better deal than the regular packs
    anyway.  I bought 5 packs and out of the packs four of them had 7 yes 7
    rookie standouts each.  Of course I didn't complete the set, I'm not
    that lucky, but I do have a boat load of dupes to trade.  I asked my
    wife to go get me some.. I can't help myself, I'm hopelessly committed. 
    Pretty soon the kids piggy banks wont be safe.
    
    jon

    Are the Upper Deck Basketball high numbers out yet?
    If not does anyone know how many and what there will be as far as
    rookie standouts etc.?
    
    SteveO'
    

    reg note 311.88
    		   What are the last 3 holos numbers, are they AW4, AW5 
    and AW6 or AW7, AW8, AW9?
    
    Thanks
    Miguel

    Re: -1

    Last three holograms will be AW7,8 and 9..

    I missed something, somewhere along the lines.  When did AW4 through
    AW6  get released?  In what context?  I thought AW1 through AW3 were in
    series I and AW4 through AW6 were doing to be in series II.  
    
    Can someone end my confusion?
    
    Regards,
    Denny

    I got a AW4 and AW6 (I think) in the Locker Series boxes... I heard
    they're available now in newer boxes... One's Robinson and one's
    another Jordan...
    

    AW5 is Detleff Schremp. I got AW$ - AW6 in a regular box. Must be a
    second run of cases release?
    
    John

    AW4 is Robinson.
    Aw5 is Shrempt.
    AW6 is Jordan.
    They were in Locker series and also the second run of wax boxes.
    AW7-9. Are supposed to be in 3rd run wax boxes, and in the High #
    series.  The Jordan Hero's are also supposed to be in High #.  I
    already listed who the last three are supposed to be.  I may have
    Jordan and Robinson mixed up, but they are either 4 or 6.
    

    Hi,
    
    Does anyone know when the high number series are do out?
    
    SteveO'
    

    I listen to a sports card talk show on the Radio up here on Tuesday
    nights, and last week they had on of the marketing directors from UD
    on, and he said they second series is going to be released in early
    June.

    Thanks mike,
    
    SteveO'
    
    

    
    The latest issue of SCD reports ...
    
    	The Hi series will be a 100 card series (#401-500).
    
    	Wax will be issued in mid-late March.
    
    	Series will contain holos AW7-AW9.
    
    	Series will contain the first basketball "Heroes of" subset,
    and the subject will be Jerry West.
    
    	They *will* be producing a factory set, and it will be available
    in mid-late April.  No mention of whether a factory hi number set
    would be produced.
    
    -rjk

    rjk,
    
    Is the UD basketball factory set going to be only low numbers or 
    low numbers and high numbers compined?
    
    Thanks,
    
    SteveO'
    

 
	Factory Sets always 'combine' low's and high's. 

    I thought the football was only 1-500, no?
    

    Football was 1-700.

    Has anyone seen the high number boxes/packs anywhere yet?
    
    SteveO'
    

    I just talked to 2 different dealers, one expects delivery of the Hi
    #'s on Friday, and the other on Saturday, they both said they have
    talked dealers who already have them, so they must be out there.  Have
    heard that the dealers are paying $22 factory direct, so don't get
    tricked into paying $40-50 a box.

    I got 2 boxes of Hi #'s today.  There is 100 cards in the 2nd series,
    #401-500.  They include traded players, this years All-Stars and
    Slam-dunk competitors.  It also has top prospects, like Owens, Fox,
    Mutombo, Anderson, ETC.  I got mine for $28 a box, but most dealers at
    the show wanted $50-55.  Also included West Hero's, I only got 3 in the
    1st box.

    Re: .107
    
    Mike, did you get a whole set (401-500) in the box ?
    
    John

    Looks like 4 upper series/pack?
    

    I am about 16 cards short of a set, of course I expected as much from
    UD.  4 highs per pack in the box I opened.  I got the last 3 holo's,
    (Olajawon, Coleman, and Rodman.)  Only one store in town has them, and
    they are asking $1.25 a pack, $42 a box, and they only had 3 boxes.  I
    expect they will be everywhere by this weekend.

    I bought a box over the weekend (40$), pretty much 4 highs per pack; I did 
    well on the rookies (2 or 3 of all the big names), ok on the holos
    (6 in the box), but struck out on West Heros (not a one!)
    
    As with series I, the cards are real nice; great shot of Motombo
    dunking on his card, lots of other great photography. I don't see the
    need for more all-star cards, now the upper deck set features all
    star cards from both this years game and last years game!
    
    One dealer told me that there will be High Number Locker Boxes out 
    in the next week or so, followed by more jumbos. He wasn't sure
    on what inserts would be where; anyone hear specifices on that? 
    
    all this for 100 more cards!? Looking back, it looks like the smart
    thing to do would have been to just wait for the high number boxes
    and not even bother with the low number specific boxes. If only I 
    had any patience when it comes to basketball cards...
    
    -dennis
    
    

    
    With UD, the smart thing to do is wait for factory sets, and pick
    up the auxillary cards (if they interest you) as they appear (well,
    after they've settled down to a reasonable price).
    
    -rjk

    high number lockers are out. As mentioned, 20 new RS cards, I think
    they're all this year's rookies, numbered 21-40; same boxes as series I, 
    one RS per pack. packs may also contain Jerry West cards and/or Holos. 
    So, these packs have everything that you can get in the high number wax 
    plus the new RS cards.
    
    If anyone has a complete checklist, please post it here; So far, I
    know of Augmon, Fox, Alexander, Macon, Brandon, Johnson, and the I*z*o
    guy from the Mavs (whatever his name is).
    
    Upper Deck doesn't seen too concerned about the consistancy of this
    set -- the RS cards now contain this years rookies and last years
    rookies, they could have at least renamed them...
    
      

    I have seen two West Autographs pulled out a a shipper at my dealers. 
    They were both found yesterday, one by a customer and one by the
    dealer.  He said he would sell his for $600.  One was numbered 442 out
    of 2500, the other 445 out of 2500, which kind of makes me if there
    might be 2 more in the shipper.  I tried my luck on ten packs, but no
    luck, he is asking $1 a pack.

    List of Hi number rookie standouts:
    R21 - Victor Alexander
    R22 - Terrell Brandon
    R23 - Rick Rox
    R24 - Stacey Augman
    R25 - Mark Macon
    R26 - Larry Johnson
    R27 - Paul Graham
    R28 - Stanley Roberts
    R29 - Dikembe Mutombo
    R30 - 
    R31 - 
    R32 - Steve Smith
    R33 - Billy Owens
    R34 - David Benoit
    R35 - Brain Williams
    R36 - Kenny Aderson
    R37 - Greg Anthony
    R38 - Dale Davis
    R39 - Larry Stewart
    R40 - Mike Iuzzolino
    
    Sorry the two I don't know are the two I need to finish the set.
    
    Miguel

    FWIW, Factory sets are out...
    
    Anyone know what the McDonald's/Paris set is going for now?
    

    
    What does anyone see West hero sets for these days?  Have they
    begun to drop off yet?  The July Beckett says 30-45, when I
    was paying attention a few months back most dealers seem to
    want $50 or more.
    
    American Liquidators is offering them for $39.95.  Anyone seen
    them for less?
    
    jeff
    

    
    Nope, $39.95 is the lowest Jeff (American Liquidators).  The
    lowest I personally saw @ shows was $45 (same dealer wanted
    $25 for the header and $4 for singles, so go figure).
    
    You're definitely much better off buying the set than building
    singles.  Not only will it be (much) cheaper, it will be (much)
    easier.  Either the dealers are hoarding them really well, or
    there just aren't all that many out there.
    
    -rjk