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    I have to agree, not very attractive fronts, the solid color
    backgrounds just don't look very appealing to the eye.  You
    gotta wonder who approved these as the design to go with, Score
    football is a much nicer looking card, heck even Pro Set is nicer
    looking.
    
    They have the Pro Vision and all pro subsets, the all pro cards
    are more attractive then the regular ones, haven't seen any
    pro vision cards yet.
    
    jeff
    

    
    Not sure on the one all pro per pack, I bought one pack and it did
    have an all pro card, plus I bought a three pack cello (rack pack)
    which actually had two all pro cards in it.  I believe the wrapper
    on the rack pack guarenteed at least one all pro or pro vision, but
    on the wax packs themselves it said the all pro and visions are
    randomly inserted/distributed in wax pack (i.e. no guarantee of one
    per pack).
    
    jeff
    

    
    I saw an interview with Fleer's high muckie-muck who said that
    each pack would indeed have an all-pro or pro-vision card.
    

    
    nope...I bought six packs, and got ONE All-Pro card. 'course, as Bob,
    Roy, and Jon (you know who you are) can atest....my luck with packs is
    legendary! This is obvious since I still have not completed last years'
    All-Pro set (still need #'s 10 and 13...hint, hint, hint...)

    
    
    No refunds on credit card orders John.  You know our policy here
    at Big Roy's Corporate Franchise ...

    I bought 10 packs and only came up with a card that looks like
    a dream team card.The card is Howie Long (N.E. Boy).Is this going
    to be like Fleers 1991 Dream Team,Canseco first and the rest to
    follow in Series II.
    
    John
    

    
    
    		BJ's in Westboro is selling 91 Fleer Football wax boxes
    	for $13 each, they had about 2.5 cases when I was there today.

	Thanks Juan,


	Just what I wanted to hear!

    Looks like you'll have to open quite a few boxes just to
    get the PRO-VISION cards (10).In one box I got Montana,Cunningham,
    and Singletary.
    
    The all PRO cards Will be even tougher to get,there are 26 cards
    to the set........
    
    John
    

    
    Re .12:  John, I initially thought of 1969 topps when I saw these cards,
    but go back and compare, personally I like the '69s much better.  The
    muted colors of the fleer backgrounds, and that green, doesn't hold up
    in comparison to the vibrant background colors used in 69.
    
    Was 1969 topps what they reminded you of?
    
    jeff

    
    Yes I should be thankful, at least it wasn't 'canary yellow' (yuck).
    
    

    I haven't seen anything in this file about ERRORS,so I'll 
    give you the first one that I found. I opened 3 boxes and 
    did not find #411 Andre Rison,his card is #412 and Haywood 
    Jeffires is also #412,are there any others that I haven't 
    seen ?
    
             John
    

    
    
    Well, after opening three boxes of these @^&#% cards, here's my
    opinions ...
    
    	o Fleer tried to be '69 Topps and '91 Skybox rolled into
    	  one, and failed miserably.
    
    	o It must be me because I seem to be the only one in here
    	  to ever complain about Fleer's decollation, but their
    	  decollation SUCKS.  Three boxes, and not a complete set.
    
    	o The Pro-Vision and All-Pro cards are going to be a bitch
    	  to complete.  Buy a complete set from a dealer ASAP,
    	  before the prices escalate ala the basketball rookie
    	  sensation sets.
    
    	  Out of three boxes, I got 13 of the All-Pro cards (out
    	  of 26).  These are VERY nice cards, wish they had done the
    	  whole set this way.
    
    	  Out of three boxes, I got 2 Pro-Vision cards; Bo Jackson,
    	  and Derrick Thomas.
    
    	o These are in wax packs, not poly packs.  You know what
    	  that means ... wax stains.  I had very good luck rubbing
    	  mine off yesterday with a paper towel -- maybe it was the
    	  humid hot weather.
    
    	  Most packs are mis-wrapped, and about half of them aren't/
    	  weren't even sealed!  If I hadn't gotten the boxes directly
    	  out of a factory-sealed case, I'd have been very suspicios.
    
    	And of course, next we'll be treated to Ultra Football (this
    is not a sarcastic comment on my part, it's pure fact).
    
    							-rjk

    
    RE: .16
    
    	Thanks for pointing that out John.  I noticed that also
    yesterday.  This is like the third set within a year
    (last year's football, the Ultra, and this yuear's football
    set) with mis-numbers.
    
    	I think some heads need to roll at QC at Fleer ..,..

    When Topps Baseball went to the Cello/Packs (1991) I thought that 
    this would be the end of throwing one card away in each pack.I'm
    really surprised that Fleer is doing this wax process on packaging
    their cards,and John your right about the damaged cards.I must have 
    about 25 cards that have white spots on the front of the card which
    is caused by under exposing.I'm going to send them back to Fleer and
    again tell them about their crack Q.C. group,they must of all been
    stiff when these were comming of the line. Roy your also right about
    buying the Provision and All Pro card sets now before they skyrocket.
    
    John
    
    
    
    

    If I remember right, last years cards where selling for $27/box.
    Why is it, that this year, you can pick them up for $10.50 at the show?

    
    Another error ...
    
    Card #425 (Chris Smith, TE, CIN draft pick).
    
    Bengals is incorrectly spelled "Bengels" (with an e rather
    than an a).
    
    

    
    One possible way to fill the All-Pro set is by searching rak packs
    for the all pros you need.  There is one all-pro in every rak-pack,
    visable on the bottom rear, you can look thru and see the players name.  
    If you are down to a resonable number left to get, this may be cost 
    effective.  Trading, of course, is the best alternative to rushing out
    and snapping up sets from dealers (i'm not convinced that even the
    pro-visions are going to do anything like bball rookie sensations,
    where is the David Robinson of the set?  Sanders?)
    
    jeff

    
    Anyone know who Pro-Vision cards #1, 4, and 7 are?
    
    I can list the other 7:
    
    	Derrick Thomas
    	Barry Sanders
    	Bo Jackson
    	Bruce Smith
    	Lawrence Taylor (#3)
    	Howie Long (#10)
    	Dan Marino
    
    							-rjk

	Pro-Vision #7 is Randall Cunningham
		   #4 is Mike Singletary
		   

    
    #1 is Montana, has anyone seen sets of these for sale?  On the
    Pro-Vision in particular I would like to buy a set or two, the
    all-pro's you can search rack packs for.  Buying packs to get
    a Pro-Vision set isn't very economically sound, but just what
    is the set of 10 worth?  I did see individual cards for sale at
    a show this past weekend, Sanders for $3-$5, $3 for Bo and Joe,
    anyone else see prices this past weekend?
    
    jeff
    

	I've picked up all the pro-vision cards for either .50 or 1$.

	At the show I picked up 3 pro-vision card and one of them was
	barry sanders, all three for 1.50$, (then traded Barry Sanders 
	to Roy... I still need #2 - Barry Sanders). And my local
	dealer was selling all of them for 1$.

	I was talking to Roy today and at the show he went to over the
	weekend they were selling for 10$/set

	Mike

    
    Ayup. The first show I saw them at, there were 3 PV's for sale
    ... $1 each (Howie Long, Bruce Smith, Derrick Thomas was all he
    had, but he said he'd had them all at the beginning of the show).
    He also had AP's for $1 each.
    
    This weekend, I found no AP's (most dealers appear to be holding
    both their AP's and PV's back to make sets), but one guy had four
    sets of PV's ... $10 each, and he wouldn't break the sets to
    sell me any singles.
    
    Haven't seen any ads for these in SCD (yet).
    

    Anyone know anything about a Fleer Ultra football set?
    

    
    There will be one.  That's all I know Walt.

    The PV of Bruce Smith was selling for $5.00.  The dealer said he went
    thru a case of cellos and found only 3 Bruce Smith cards. 
    
    
    Ken

    
    Odd distribution, when I got my 2 boxes thru rjk, I got two Bruce
    Smith's and two Howie Long's.  One dealer that I bought complete
    sets off of, said that Mike Singletary was the most difficult to
    find.  
    
    jeff

    
    I got two BoBo's, and two Derrick Thomas - in four boxes.
    
    I've seen the Bruce Smith PV quite regularly at shows ...

    I got Smith, Montana, Sanders and one other guy I forget from a guy
    at a show for 50 cents a piece (2 hours in the show).  I traded the
    Montana to a guy for a Marino so I could help finish out my set...

    After buying packs and searching rak-paks I have finally finished
  the All-Pro and Pro-Vision subsets. What a b*tch. I now have 2 full sets
  1-432 and 5 cards shy of a third. With all the money I spent trying to
  finish those subsets I could have bought them at a show and probably
  saved a little. 
    
    Ken