Conference school::sports_memorabilia

    	There's a store in Worcester, (see note 6.60) who's geting
    the UpperDeck Hockey today and is selling them for $ 1.25 a pack.
    
    MAM

     Hudmar in Marlboro has UD Hockey @ $1.50 a pack, limit 2 packs per
customer.  I told the owner that I'd much rather he set a limit on the
number of packs a person can buy rather than jack the price up to $2.50.
He agreed.

     I picked up a couple of packs; they're nice.  Typical UD.  Similar
to the baseball issues (same 'painted' team checklists, #1 draft & all-
rookie team subsets).  Interesting to note that the small hologram on the
back of the card is an oval (hockey rink) rather than a circle.

     Out of the 2 packs I got a Neely, Roy and a Gretzky Hologram.  My
brother tells me that the hologram has been going for $100 in Philly,
but I'm just assuming this card to be another Borque error rather than
a Lombardi Trophy.


MD

    
    
    Ref: 218.2
    
    	About the Wayne Gretzky Hologram cards, a dealer had all 3 of them
    
    	for sale on a display glass case for $10 for the set of 3 different
    
    	ones.  I looked at them, and it was hard to see the details in the
    
    	cards, I was not impressed with these particular holograms.
    
    	I also went to a card show yesterday, and saw the wax boxes being
    
    	sold for $35.00 a piece, while others had them for as high as $50.

    
    	I went to the dealer in Framingham who was selling the 3 Wayne Gretzky
        Upper Deck Holograms for $10.00 for all 3, and he has marked down
    	the price to $5.00 for the set.  I asked him to let me take a closer
    	look at them, and even on closer inspection, I couldn't tell whose	
        picture was in them, it was very fuzzy.  Upper Deck has done a 
    	horrible job on these holograms, they are real bad, and I wouldn't
    	want to buy them even if they were $1.00 a piece, unless there was
    	a real strong demand for them, and only then, for investment reasons.

    
    	For anyone who is still interested in these cards, BJ's in Westboro,
    	Mass. is selling these boxes shrink wrapped in clear plastic for
    	$20 a box. This is not a misprint, I bought one today for that price;	
    	however, there were not that many left, maybe a case and a half.
    
    

    
    
    	The Wayne Gretzky Holograms continue to drop in price, on my last
    	visit to the dealer in my town, he was selling them for $1.00 each.
    
    						Juan

           Does anyone know how many superstars are in these holograms?
      So far I've seen (2) Gretzky, (2) Yzerman...he's being shadowed by
      a St. Louis player in one of them, and (1) Messier.
      Also, before you pass judgement on these holograms take them outside
      in the bright sunlight and give them another look. The clarity is 10
      times better and the colors more readily apparent.  Flourescent lighting
      just doesn't cut it with these.


            Plus, has anyone heard of any error cards in this Upper Deck
       series. I haven't myself, but I can't believe that all 400 cards
       would be error free. It could just be that I'm used to Pro-Set which
       nearly have more error cards than correct ones.


                                                     --- BMG

    I think there's 3 Gretzkys...
    
    If anyone has an extra Yzerman they can part with, let me know.
    
    -Walt

    
    	Concering Upper Deck Hockey.....I noticed that the set 	
    	has 400 cards in it.  However, Score started the Xtended
    	sets in Hockey so I was wondering if anyone knows if UD
    	is planning the same.
    
    	I'd like to purchase a Factory set but would rather wait
    	for a complete one if they are going to issue the Xtended
    	set.
    
    	Newc

>    	I'd like to purchase a Factory set but would rather wait
>    	for a complete one if they are going to issue the Xtended
>    	set.

I didn't think Upper Deck sold Factory sets...  Is there something you know 
that we don't?

As for as I know (for hockey),  only Topps, Bowman, and Score sell factory 
sets.  Upper Deck and Pro-Set do not.  (I don't know about OPC, but since 
they're made by Topps they probably do.)

Dan

    
    	I don't know that they do for sure make factory sets.  I just
    	figured they would since I heard they just released a factory	
    	set of the past year of baseball.
    
    	Newc

I dealer in Derry, NH told me today over the phone that he has heard an
unconfirmed rumor that ProSet has bought UpperDeck.  He said the speculation
based on this is that 90-91 UpperDeck Hockey is the first and would be the
last Hockey made by UpperDeck (since ProSet makes Hockey also).  FWIW.

Even if this is true, I'm not so sure ProSet wouldn't put out two hockey
sets under different names (from same company).  

Anyone else hear anything regarding this?


jt

    
    
    Does anybody know what those holograms are going for? I've
    seen one of Gretzkys for $10.00. What have they been going
    for back east?

>    Does anybody know what those holograms are going for? I've
>    seen one of Gretzkys for $10.00. What have they been going
>    for back east?

At two different card shops (one in Mass, one in Connecticut) I've
seen them selling all 3 for $10.

Dan

   	Here in Massachusetts ...
    
    	I bought one of each from a dealer for $1 each, and the only
    	reason I bought is because they were only $1 each.   I still
    	don't like the way they look.  As Holograms go, they are very
    	poor, and if I was the producer, I would be ashamed to call
    	these things Holograms.  Someone suggested to look at them in
    	the sunlight, I did that, and there are shades of colors you
    	can see, and in one of the Holograms you can see Gretzky
    	taking a slapshot.  I also have other Holograms from DC MARVEL
    	comics, and Looney Tunes, and when you compare them to the
    	Upper Deck Holograms, it's like comparing night and day (a little
    	exaggeration here, to drive a point ).

    UD HIGH SERIES
    
    Here in Mass., they are selling the high series factory sets
    for $35.00
    
    --RGD--

>    UD HIGH SERIES
>    
>    Here in Mass., they are selling the high series factory sets
>    for $35.00

Where?

>    Went to a show Saturday and they had them for 28$. Another guy had
>    them for 30$.

   That's pretty cheap, did they have a bunch of them?  I have heard
   rumblings that there are not too many of these sets around nor very
   many produced.  Anyone here anything about quantity?

   jeff

	Picked up my High number set yesterday for $25  8^)

	Limit one per customer 8^(

	Where you ask:

			Card Collectors Heaven
			Woonsocket, R.I. 
			(401) 765-5585

>    Like .22 says, a lot of money for 150 cards.

  I agree, but what's a collector to do when you have the first 400?
  There are some nice cards/subsets in the high 150, overall I think UD 
  did a real nice job on these cards, too bad the hobby is getting for
  the upper middle class/rich.  With three sons (and me!) I will soon
  be heading for a home equity loan ;-) 

  jt

    The prices for the "top shelf" hockey cards are going crazy in Southern
    Cal.  The UD Extended Series  which was available for $30 at a show 4
    weeks ago is now $37-$45 - if you can find it.  One dealer said he's
    seen it as high as $60!   The OPee-Chee Premier wax packs (7 cards?)
    are $10 each.  Where is this going to stop?   BTW, with the Kurri
    trade t the Kings, his stuff is being snapped up...to be expected out
    here I guess.
    
    Ovide

    Currently, the known holograms for this set (seriesI & seriesII) in the
    Rochester & Buffalo (NY) areas are:                                                                 
                            3 - Wayne Gretzky
                            2 - Steve Yzerman
                            1 - Mark Messier
                            1 - Brett Hull
                            1 - Yzerman + Messier
                            1 - Hull + Messier
    Nine(9) in all. Any discrepencies elsewhere? All are selling for about
    $2 except for the ones with Hull (seriesII) which are up to $5.
    
    Bill S.
    

     re:218.27    One hologram of steve yzerman has brett hull in the
                  background when you tilt it to your right.

   eddie......

    Are those holograms worth anything?  My daughter sticks them on the
    mirror in her bedroom.  I have just 1 from the 90-91 U.D. Hockey and I
    can't even tell who's in it but I do see 2 players when it's at the
    right angle.

    
    
    	When they are first available, the dealers go overboard, and charge
    	$2-$3 for them, but after a while, they become plentiful, and I have
	seen at the card shows for as low as $0.75.
    
    	I know nobody asked me, but as Holograms go, these are the worst
    	I have ever seen.  You really have to move them into the right
    	angle and position, and have the right amount of light to be able
    	to see who's in it (who's on first, we're talking about hockey
    	here, not baseball), and even then, you can't really tell, and
    	have to use your imagination.
    
    	I love Holograms, and as Holograms go, these are a disgrace.
                                     

>    	I love Holograms, and as Holograms go, these are a disgrace.

I gotta disagree.  Yes, they are very difficult to see at first, but
when you catch on it's not too bad...and when you do catch it just right
it's very good.

BTW - these are not "holograms" - but rather 'stereograms'.  Unlike holograms
that just show depth, these also show lots of 'motiion' when you tilt them
back and forth...

Dan

    I got the Hank Aaron 3-D hologram the other day at Kaybee Toy Stores
    and it is a nice card.  It just so happens I also got the Michael
    Jordan SP1 in the next successive pack.  I wasn't even going in the
    store until my daughter told me they had baseball cards.  What luck!  I
    guess kids are good for something (only joking).
    

    re: .32
    
    Actually, there is a way to view these holograms (stereograms) most
    effectively:
    
    Put it on a table in any room in your house at night, preferably tilted
    at a 47 degree angle.  Starting at about 7 inches away, slowly walk
    backward, keeping one eye closed and the other focused on the card. 
    Keep walking backward until you read the door.  Reach up, turn out the
    light and leave the room.
    
    Regards from the snowy north,
    
    Bill

    
    Does anyone have a list of what the 9 (there are 9, correct?)
    different holograms are?
    
    My brother-in-law bought a hand-collated set early in the run,
    and thought he was getting all the holograms, but since "all the
    holograms" (at the time) was 3, he's missing 6.
    
    I believe there are ...
    
    	o 3 different Gretzky
    	o 2 different Yzerman
    	o at least one Brett Hull (dealer told me this weekend it's
    	  very hard to find -- true?)
    	O he picked up a NY Islander this weekend (LaFontaine?)
    
    -rjk

    The Islander was probably Mark Messier (same team colors)
    There's one with Hull and Yzerman together I believe.  I'll
    check tonight.
    

    
    Well, for anyone whose interested, the 12-20 (Clemens) or 12-27
    (Lindros) issue of SCD had an interview with Big Bob Amato, the
    owner of Big Bob's cards.
    
    Why is this in the 1990-91 UD Hockey note?
    
    Because it details in there how he was able to acquire over HALF
    of the available 1990-91 French UD Hockey through a disreputable
    magazine wholesaler in Canada.
    
    Sooner or later, the federal government, or worse yet the IRS, is
    going to cast a VERY strong eye on the dealings within this "hobby".
    
    Currently some of the bigger dealers realize this and are trying
    to police themselves with dealer associations, but it won't be long
    before someone gets in deep trouble over some of the shadier aspects
    of this hobby.
    
    I wish I was a lawyer, I bet I could have a field-day with class
    action suits.  "Scarce?  Prove it.  Misleading advertising practices.
    Settle out of court".  "You won't provide production numbers.  Watch
    me get 'em through the court system".
    
    -grinch

    
    Actually, I read somewhere (latest SCD?) that dealer "cost" on
    Stadium Club is $33/box.
    
    -rjk

    Anyone know what the book value is on the pair of Promos UD released
    for this set? (They are of Gretzky and Roy)Last year I'd occasionally see
    them and they'd be going for $100/pair and but lately I'm seeing them
    more frequently and for $50-$40/pair. Becketts doesn't list promos and
    I'm not sure which magazine or price guide would have it.
    
    bill
    

    
    I've seen them advertised in Tuff Stuff for $35/pr.
    
    -rjk

    Ok, thanks
    
    I know those Proset player of the month promos from last year have also
    plummeted in price too. I think they're around $35/set too
    
    Bill
    

    
    Ayuh, the POTM cards are down to ~$35/set as are CC1-CC4 (including
    the oh so rare and special CC3 and CC4).
    
    The Fridge error from '89 PS FB is down to $8-10 bucks, ditto the
    Dickerson #338 card, and Risien #75.
    
    Haven't bothered to look up old f**k face lately, but I'm sure he's
    plummeting also.
    
    And PS FB (series I) will be down to a reasonable soon.  The cases
    are still sitting virtually untouched at BJ's (@ $20.98 a box),
    and I don't think anyone's bought a PACK from the local TRU.
    
    Just about everything drops eventually.  That which doesn't can
    likely be lived w/out.
    
    -rjk