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Someone asked the question about which was the oldest regiment, I've looked through the conference and can't find it so I'll put it here. With apologies for the delay in responding. The oldest corps in the British Army is a TA unit, the Honourable Artillary Company which was formed in 1537. The next in line is the Royal Monmouthshire Royal Engineers (Militia) which was formed in 1577. The oldest regular unit is the Royal Scots, formed in 1537. The R Mon RE(M) is the most senior corps in the TA order of precedence. Taken from "The Territorial Army" by Thompson and Nevill. Dave
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68.1 | PEKING::NASHD | Whatever happened to Capt. Beaky? | Mon Jan 29 1990 17:07 | 1 | |
Ok, Ok I made a mistake. The Royal Scots were formed in 1625. | |||||
68.2 | Oldest regiment in US Army is....? | DOCSRV::STARIN | Navy Radiomen Do It With Frequency | Mon Jan 29 1990 23:09 | 12 |
Re .0: I'm trying to remember the oldest regiment in the US Army.....it's a little confusing because so many were organized and reorganized. I want to say the 3rd Infantry (the Old Guard) but something in the memory bank says that isn't quite so. Can some of you "old doggies" help me out? :-) Mark RMC USNR | |||||
68.3 | No wonder they call it The Old Guard | DOCSRV::STARIN | Navy Radiomen Do It With Frequency | Wed Jan 31 1990 17:02 | 16 |
Re .2: I answered my own question....yes the 3rd Infantry is the oldest infantry regiment in the US Army (1784 vs. 1791 for the 1st Infantry). BTW, it is interesting to note how many US Army infantry, armor, and artillery regiments have won Presidential Unit Commendations via, of all organizations, the US Navy (for amphibious operations). I can list them some time if anyone's interested? BTW, cannon cockers, isn't Battery D, 5th Artillery known as Alexander Hamilton's Own? Mark RMC USNR | |||||
68.4 | US NG is older | AKOV12::LORENTZEN | Wed Jan 31 1990 17:11 | 12 | |
FWIW the US National Guard began on December 13, 1636, when the General Court of the Massachusetts Bay Colony ordered the organization of the colony's militia companies into three regiments; the North, South and East Regiments (catchy names). The present 101st Engineer Battalion, Massachusetts Army National Guard, is a direct descendant of the East Regiment. This info came from a print of "The First Muster" in the series on National Guard history. Len | |||||
68.5 | You are correct | DOCSRV::STARIN | Navy Radiomen Do It With Frequency | Wed Jan 31 1990 19:03 | 14 |
Re .4: You are 100% correct.....my statement referred to RA regiments *only*. BTW, I thought the one-eight-deuce was the oldest.....???? During my 1975 AT with the 1/169th Infantry of the CTARNG, we had a traditional battalion muster at beautiful FT Pickett, VA (what a yucky place) where the XO read the camapigns the 1/169th had participated in - from the French & Indian War to the Invasion of the Phillipines and everything in between. Mark RMC USNR | |||||
68.6 | One-eight-deuce | AKOV12::LORENTZEN | Wed Jan 31 1990 19:38 | 11 | |
Gee, I'm glad I have these NG Heritage prints! 8-) Re the 182d: The Lexington Company of the Middlesex County Brigade, engaged the British on Lexington Green on April 19, 1775, in (what turned out to be) the first battle of the American Revolutionary War. The Lexington Company is perpetuated by the 181st and 182d Infantry Regiments, Massachusetts Army National Guard. It doesn't say when the 182d was actually formed. Len | |||||
68.7 | Any Info? | WJOUSM::TOOHEY | Thu Feb 01 1990 18:36 | 13 | |
Dave. Mark, Len, You guys have some good inforamtion on old units. I was wondering were I could find something about the Following: 12th Infantry 22nd " " 35th " " Any help would be appreciated. Don | |||||
68.8 | Got something on the 12th Infantry | DOCSRV::STARIN | Navy Radiomen Do It With Frequency | Thu Feb 01 1990 21:16 | 11 |
Re .7: Don - I've got info on the 12th Infantry but nothing easily accessible on the 22nd or 35th. Which division(s) was it associated with? Mark RMC USNR | |||||
68.9 | Any Help Appreicated | WJOUSM::TOOHEY | Fri Feb 02 1990 15:35 | 14 | |
Mark- The 35th was part of the 25th Inf Div from WWII on. I was interested in the history prior to that. The 22nd I believe was part of the 4th Inf (IVY) Div. Any info on the 12th would be greatly appreicated. Don P.S. The 12th was also part of the 4th and moved along with the 22nd in 1967 in a BDE swap with the 25th. | |||||
68.10 | I'll look | MPGS::MCCLURE | Why Me??? | Fri Feb 02 1990 16:46 | 10 |
The 3d Bn, 35th Inf is a part of the 187th Inf Bde (SEP). Units are located in Worcester, Springfield and Pittsfield, MA. I am in the process of moving, therefore packing, but I will try to locate the PR flyer on the 'Cacti'. It might give some info on the history of the regiment. I believe that the 1st & 2nd Battalions are still part of the RA and still assigned to the 25th Division in Hawaii. One of the dreams would have been for either the 1st or 2nd Bn to host the 3d for an AT 8-). Bob Mc | |||||
68.11 | The 12th Infantry | DOCSRV::STARIN | Navy Radiomen Do It With Frequency | Fri Feb 02 1990 17:10 | 51 |
HISTORY OF THE 12TH US INFANTRY REGIMENT (Source: Army Magazine January 1984) Constituted in the regular Army, May, 1861, as 1st Battalion, 12th Infantry, and organized in October at Ft. Hamilton, N.Y. Fought in 12 Civil War campaigns in the East, including ten of the 11 credited to the Army of the Potomac, from Manassas to Petersburg. Reorganized as the 12th Infantry Regiment, December, 1866. Took part in the Indian wars in the West, including campaigns against the Modoc (1872-73), the Bannock (1878) and the Sioux at Pine Ridge, S.D. (1890-91). In the Spanish-American War, landed in Cuba, June, 1898, and participated in the storm and capture of the fortress of El Caney. February, 1899, shipped to the Phillipines and credited with three campaigns in the insurrection, returning to the United States in 1912. Assigned to the 8th Division, December, 1917, but did not serve overseas in World War I. Served in the 4th Division, 1927-33, returning to the 8th until October, 1941, when again assigned to the 4th Division at Ft. Benning, Ga. Landed at Utah Beach, Normandy, 6 June, 1944, and fought through five World War II campaigns in northwest Europe, winning a Presidential Unit Citation (PUC) for the defense of Luxembourg in the Battle of the Ardennes. Also earned the Belgian Fourragere and twice cited in the Order of the Day of the Belgian Army. Returned to the United States, July, 1945, and inactivated in February, 1946. Activated as a training regiment in the 4th Division, Ft. Ord, Calif., July, 1947. Went to Germany with the division as a line regiment, July, 1951, returning to the United States, June, 1956. Reorganized as a parent regiment under CARS, April, 1957, 1st Battalion (Battle Group, 1957-63) remaining with the 4th Division, 2nd Battle Group serving with the 8th and 1st Infantry Divisions until returning to the 4th as 2nd Battalion, October, 1963. The 3rd Battle Group assigned to the Army Reserve's 79th Infantry Division, 1959-63, then returned to the regular Army and activated in the 4th Division as 3rd Battalion, November, 1965. All three battalions went to Vietnam with the division, August-October, 1966, 1st and 3rd returning returning December, 1970, 2nd Battalion being assigned to the 25th Infantry Division, August, 1967, and departing Vietname in April, 1971. The 4th Battalion activated in the 199th Light Infantry Brigade at Ft. Benning, Ga., June, 1966, and deployed to Vietnam in December; 5th Battalion activated at Ft. Lewis, Wash., November, 1967, and sent to Vietnam to join the 199th Brigade, April, 1968. The 4th and 5th battalions returned to Ft. Benning and inactivated, October, 1970. Among them, the five battalions of the 12th were credited with 12 Vietnam campaigns and earned three PUCs and four Valorous Unit Awards. Co. D, 4th Battalion, also earned a PUC for Saigon. Scheduled to be reorganized under the Army Regimental System, February, 1985, with 1st and 2nd battalions at the regimental home base in the 4th Infantry Division (Mechanized), Ft. Carson, Colo., and 3rd and 4th Battalions in the 8th Infantry Division (Mechanized) in Germany. | |||||
68.12 | U.S. 35th Infantry Regiment | MPGS::MCCLURE | Why Me??? | Mon Feb 05 1990 19:38 | 26 |
Well, I thought the 35th was a relatively 'young' regiment, but I hadn't realized how young. The following is taken from a publicity release, so there could be some inaccuracies. The 35th Infantry Regiment was activated 8 July 1916 at Douglas, Arizona. The Regimental crest symbolizes their desert origins in the large cactus, giving rise to the 'Cacti' knickname. The 35th was originally part of the 18th Division and first saw combat against Mexican Revolutionaries. The 18th Division, and thus the 35th Regiment, were deactivated on 17 October 1922. The 35th was reactivated on 26 August 1941 and assigned to the 25th Infantry Division. During WWII, the 35th saw extensive action in the Pacific Theatre. Landing at Guadacanal on 17 December 1942, the Regiment remained in continuous combat for 40 days and was involved in some of the bitterest fighting of the campaign. Subsequently, the 35th landed on Vella Lavella and took the island after a month of jungle fighting. The 35th next landed on Luzon, 11 January 1945. After WWII, the 35th participated in five years of occupation duty at Camp Otsu, Japan. The 35th was sent to Korea and landed at Pusan on 13 July 1950. During the conflicy, the 35th participated in the breakout from Pusan, Operation Killer, the push through the Iron Triangle, the Punchbowl and Heartbreak ridge. In October 1954, the 35th returned to Schofield Barracks, Hawaii and the 3d Battalion was inactivated in February 1957. On 6 April 1959, the 3d Battalion was alloted to the Army Reserve and was assigned to the 94th Infantry Division. The 94th was reorganised into the 94th Army Reserve Command and 3/35th became part of the 187th Infantry Brigade (SEP). | |||||
68.13 | A old Cacti | WJOUSM::TOOHEY | Mon Feb 05 1990 19:59 | 9 | |
re.10 and .12 Bob, Are you by any chance assigned to the 3/35th. I was with C Co. at westover up until 4 years ago when I went to Control Group. Don | |||||
68.14 | They're everywhere! | MPGS::MCCLURE | Why Me??? | Tue Feb 06 1990 21:24 | 4 |
I was in B Co in Worcester from '76 to '81. Speaking of old Cacti, Don Sweetman is now my Bn CSM in the 126th. Bob Mc | |||||
68.15 | 9Yrs with the Cacti. | CSMADM::TOOHEY | Wed Feb 07 1990 15:04 | 12 | |
Bob, A Paul Sweetman was my first top in Charlie company a while back. I know he transfered to a Med. Company. Next time you see him tell him I said Hi. Don P.S. We probalby bumoed into each other. I was with C Company for 9 years. Starting in 76. | |||||
68.16 | Canada's oldest | POLAR::SYSOPER | Wed May 05 1993 07:53 | 7 | |
The Oldest Canadian Regiment is the Governor General Horse Guards, which a mechanized RECCE regiment. The second oldest is the Queen's York Rangers, which is also a RECCE regiment. BTW the QYR is a brother regiment to the (United States) Ranger battalion. | |||||
68.17 | Gugga Huggas | TROOA::SKLEIN | Nulli Secundus | Fri May 07 1993 03:29 | 22 |
RE: -1 > The Oldest Canadian Regiment is the Governor General Horse Guards, > which a mechanized RECCE regiment. The second oldest is the Queen's > York Rangers, which is also a RECCE regiment. BTW the QYR is a brother > regiment to the (United States) Ranger battalion. Boy was I surprised to see this. I am a member of the GGHG and yes we are the oldest regiment, since we can trace our roots back to Button's Troop formed in York (Toronto) in 1810. The regiment supercedes Denison's troop formed in 1822 which survived into the Governor General's Body Guards in 1856. The GGBG merged with the Mississauga Horse in 1936 to form the GGHG. The GGHG is currently an armoured regiment, switching from recce in 1985. Currently, we are a reserve regiment. Only during WW2 did the regiment have both regular and reserve components. During WW1, we populated the 3rd Toronto Regiment and the 4th Canadian Mounted Rifles. The unit has served in the Riel Rebellion and Boer War, as well as providing a contingent to serve with the Royal Canadian Dragoons in Korea. These days we provide some reservist to serve in one of Canada's many UN commitments. Susan | |||||
68.18 | India/Ireland | CSSE::LEONHARDT | Wed Sep 01 1993 00:04 | 5 | |
Anybody know of a good reference to find the uniform of a private in the 33rd Regiment (Foot) or the West Riding Regiment from about 1870? Dick |