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58.0. "Mixed Messes " by PEKING::NASHD (Whatever happened to Capt. Beaky?) Tue Jan 02 1990 16:45

    Our amiable Colonel Ian Philpott raised this point in 51.11 and
    it made me think. Being the shy retiring type I thought I'ld ask
    everyone else what their opinion was before adding my 2 cents.
    
    Should the Messes be merged? Is it a pleasure to have somewhere
    to bolt to and relax or could you share it with "them"?
    
    
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58.1No raghats in the Goat LockerDOCSRV::STARINMy other ham shack is a GooneybirdTue Jan 02 1990 17:0713
    Re .0:
    
    I understand that in some places Chief's Clubs admit raghats (E-6
    and below) due to the small number of E-7 to E-9 patrons.
    
    However, aboard ship (most that I know of anyway) and ashore, Chiefs
    and raghats have seperate berthing.
    
    In short, except where necessary (unit parties, etc), mixing Chiefs and
    raghats is not encouraged.
    
    Mark
    RMC USNR
58.2no easy answerMPGS::MCCLUREWhy Me???Wed Jan 03 1990 21:1238
    re .1
    
    I think .0 was referring more to officer/enlisted rather than Sr
    enlisted/Jr enlisted.
    
    The reason for splitting the enlisted clubs is well known. Us old
    farts like to drink in relative quiet.
    
    But seriously, very often in reserve units there are no 'clubs'.
    In National Guard armories, I understand that most can have some type
    of club. This due to the fact that the premises are State property
    and not Federal. If you look at a small unit, far from any active
    installation, the few officers have no choice but to socialize
    with the enlisted men or appear to be anti-social. From the reserve
    perspective, things are very different. There are many situations
    where the civilian roles have been completely reversed from the
    military ones. I have heard of one situation where the Company
    CO was an employee of the 1SG in civilian life. All this is much
    more difficult in the US, since the officer-enlisted thing has
    no connection whatever to any civilian social strata. It is a
    definite that officers must posess the proper educational level,
    but you can't presume that being an enlisted person means you
    don't have post-secondary education.
    
    Most of the modern reasons for seperating the ranks, have to do 
    with the old adage 'familiarity breeds contempt'. It is, however,
    a double edged sword. If Cpt Bligh and Sgt Snorkle got rip-roaring
    drunk last night and defecated on the front steps of the police
    station, will Sgt Snorkle pay any attention to Cpt Bligh's order
    to find out who stole the strawberries today? If Cpt & Mrs Bligh
    were out on the town with Sgt & Mrs Snorkle last week, will Cpt
    Bligh send Sgt Bailey's squad on a dangerous mission instead of
    Sgt Snorkle's?
    
    
    My personal feeling is that the mixing of the ranks in off-duty
    socializing is fine, as long as everyone understands the rules.