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37.0. "Bivvi bags." by PEKING::NASHD () Mon Dec 04 1989 16:25

    Are bivvi bags, either Gore-tex or other material, any good for
    sleeping in?  What if you're ambushed, do you grab the bag and carry
    it, with all your kit in, and your weapon?
        
    Hmmmm,
    Dave
    
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37.1now I know what it isMPGS::MCCLUREWhy Me???Thu Jan 04 1990 00:0424
    Dave,
    I didn't have the foggiest notion of what you were talking about.
    I'm sure others on this side of the pond didn't either. I happened
    to take a second look at a mail order catalogue last week. Its a
    company called 'Brigade Quartermaster'. I was looking at an item
    that 'I thought' made a lot of sense and it suddenly dawned on
    me that it was called a 'Bivy' bag. They state that they import
    them from the manufacturer in England. Apparently, your Special
    Services units are the only user. For my fellow countrymen, this
    is a combination sleeping bag and shelter that is made of light-
    weight material. It has supports to hold up the shelter at the
    head and foot end. It can be rolled up into a small package and
    the total weight of the combination is less than the weight of
    our sleeping bag, not figuring in the standard shelter half with
    rope, poles and stakes. It looks to me like an extremely sensible
    set-up and that is probably why the USArmy doesn't have them. I
    would probably consider buying one for myself, but they seem expensive.
    
    
    As for your last question Dave. If your ambushed in your sleeping
    bag, you'd better hope that you can crawl to cover while returning
    fire from your own weapon. If you beat back the ambush, you'll
    have lots of time to collect your kit. If you don't beat back the
    ambush, what difference does it make?
37.2PEKING::NASHDWhatever happened to Capt. Beaky?Thu Jan 04 1990 11:2832
    It never occurred to me that Bivvi bags were not know over there,
    sorry about that.
    
    You've describe one type of bag. There is another type that does
    not have the supports etc. Also, the zips can be horizontal( around
    about "head" height) or vertical. The bags are large enough to contain
    a man plus equipment comfortably. As you said they are very light,
    waterproof and warm. The best ones are made of Gore-Tex. 
    There is another type of bag that has an entrance decsribed as a 
    "Cobra mouth". 
                                               /\     
                        |--GORE-TEX MATERIAL >/  \ <mosquito netting 
                        V                    /    \
    	    ________________________________/      \   SIDE-ON PICTURE
            |  person plus equiment sleeps here     \       OF THE "COBRA"
    	    |________________________________________\
          -----------------------------------------------          
                       GROUND
                             
    An ex-sailor suggested that in the event of any interruption whilst
    sleeping you grab hold of the weapon, throw the bag(plus contents)
    over your shoulder and run.
    
    Over here the Gore-tex bags cost between 85 and 130 pounds as far
    as I know. The non-Goretex bags are cheaper, but then condensation
    becomes a problem I'm told.
    
    Anyway, I'm going to save my pennies and hopefully buy one later
    this year.  
    
    Thanks,
    Dave
37.3Bivvy thisAKOV12::LORENTZENFri Jan 05 1990 18:546
    If I were ambushed in my sleeping bag, the first round out of my
    weapon would be directed towards whoever was on guard duty.  That is,
    if I was still kicking.
    
    Len
    
37.4Bivvy Sack?SCAACT::SIMMONSFri Jun 15 1990 07:467
The backpacking community has had access to Bivvy sacks for ~10+ years.  I 
bought a goretex sack in 1980 that is still in use - you just need to redo the 
seam sealer on occasion.  Mine was purchased from EARLY WINTERS in SEATTLE, 
WASH.  17oz. in the stuff sack at the time.  Looks remarkably like the 
aforementioned 'cobra'.  On hot nights you can lay on top of your sleeping bag 
inside the bivvy sack.  Much cooler and the 'no-see-ums' can't get at you.
If you're a contortionist you can even change your clothes while inside.