| WW,
I agree with you to a certain extent. I think all men have their
sensitive side, however, I think that men are not as sensitive as
women. I think that there are many factors which contribute to
this. Some of them are, that this is the way we have been brought up,
generation after generation. I don't think that these roles which
have been accepted by both men and women in society for hundreds
of years can be changed in just a few years. I also don't think
that things should be changed very drastically. I believe there
is a need for men to be men and women to be women. I think that
the roles we have come naturally, an instinct of sorts. I, for
on, would hate to see a time when you cannot tell men from women.
This may sound very chauvinistic, and may be to a certain extent,
but it's how I feel. I know there are at least some women left
who feel the same as I do. I am not to the extreme end of the spectrum
saying that women are less equal as men as people. I am saying
that men have their place in society and women have theirs, equally
as valuable and both contributing to a sucessful society. (I realize
this last statement leaves me open for statements such as, "yeah,
a womens place is in the kitchen." this is not what I mean.) What
is wrong with men being men and women being women? My philosophy
in life is similar to WW's, it is simply, "Be a good person".
Just Being Me,
Mike
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| I think that everyone has a good basic idea of what the characteristics
of a men and women are. I don't want to risk getting into specifics
and have someone nitpick on them. I will go as far as to say that
a man is usually the masculine one and the female is the feminine
one. I know that this isn't much and I know that there are differing
levels of these characteristics. Also please keep in mind that I am
saying in general and not every case. I don't want to offend anyone,
and that is why I said this is my opinion. I also don't want get
to the point of where I feel like I have to walk on eggshells and
I'm almost there. I will end by saying that I think the women is
better (as a rule) at nuturing a child than a man is. A man is
(usually) physically stronger than a women. Again, this is my opinion,
however, it is along these lines that I see men and women.
MW
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| re: .3
Thanks for the answer. I was trying to set you up for a "those
are your opinions of what men and women should be, why should we
use your 'ideals'?" reply.
I think that what .0 was trying to say was that the men must
be men and women must be women pressures in our society have put
him into the position that he is now. He has felt the need to
repress his feelings for art and liturature because of need to
"be a man".
I will buy into the fact that there are physiological
differences between men and women that tend (the key word is tend)
to make some activities easier or more appropriate for members of
members of one of the sexes. However instead of enforcing the
differences which have evolved I feel that we should allow those
who are exceptions to the 'rules' to pursue their goals without
having to worry about whether most men or most women would do this.
I don't consider any of the 'traditional' roles of men and women
in society as bad. I just think that these roles shouldn't be expected.
People who like the traditional roles will tend to associate with
each other, and those who don't care if they can tell men from women
(to use your example of what you don't want to see) will follow
their group. If you meet a woman that you have a difficult time
identiying as such you should take that as a warning that you probably
don't have much in common. Therefore you shouldn't care whether
they want to be that way.
I have read your replies and come to the conclusion that you
don't expect everyone to act as you feel is right, you just feel
more comfortable being around those who do. Please tell me if I'm
wrong.
re: .0
Maybe it comes from being raised in a liberal family, or maybe
it's from being rasied in California, but I've rarely felt that
I've had to supress my feelings. I may just be one of the lucky
ones.
I've always been somewhere out of the norm though. I was always
smaller, younger, and weaker than most of my other classmates in
grade school. I was one of the people who was picked last or near
last when the class was divided into teams. I guess that it may
have been easier for me to forsake the expected norms because I
wasn't in the norm anyway.
I think that we all have our private thoughts and concepts.
There are things that I would never put in a NOTES conference too.
I just know that they would probably be taken in the wrong way,
and I wouldn't want others to misjudge me based on their
misconceptions.
I hope that you continue to grow and become more like the person
that you want to be. I know how far short I fall of the ideals
that I believe in.
ASP
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