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Conference 7.286::pet_birds

Title:Captive Breeding for Conservation--and FUN!
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Moderator:VIDEO::PULSIFER
Created:Mon Oct 10 1988
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:942
Total number of notes:6016

797.0. "First time breeder" by SWAM1::DEFRANCO_JE () Mon Apr 19 1993 19:48

    I put a next box into Sunny and Luis cage about 1 month ago and they
    are now sitting on 4 eggs.  Sunny hasn't laid an egg in about 4 days
    now so I think this may be it for this first clutch.  It certainly
    didn't take them long to do their thing.  
    
    I really didn't want to get into this breeding situation but I'am
    trying everything to stop Sunny's feather picking and I think this is
    the key.  She hardly picks at herself at all and small feathers are now
    growing in on her sides and some large pin feathers are growing in at
    the base of her tail.  Her lower abdoman is unfortunately still bare as
    can be. 
    
    We've never had cockatiel eggs before and I am a bit surprised about
    some of the things that are going on.  First, these birds did not want
    anything in their nest box.  I gave them shavings, leaves, dry grass
    and nothing appealed to them.  The eggs were laid right on the bare
    wood.  Is this normal for Tiels to do this?  Both parents are very
    protective about the eggs.  I don't intend on hand feeding them but I
    would like to take the chicks out on a regular basis to get them used
    to human contact.  Will the parents let me do this or can I expect a
    fight over this?
    
    Sunny seems very hungry for seeds lately.  She usually eats rice,
    veggies and kibble but has lost most of her interest in these foods
    lately.  Seems all she wants is seed.  Is this normal or have I just
    been hoodwinked into letting her have what she wants?
    
    One more thing, Sunny's stools have been quite large lately, like she's
    saving it all up for one big splat!   Is this normal?  If so, when does
    it stop?  
    
    Well, I'm talking like the chicks are actually here but I really don't
    know how many will hatch.  I have one already spoken for if they do
    hatch.  
    
    One more thing, they are in a cage measuring 17x17 by 36 inches tall. 
    I think its a bit small for breeding but its the largest I had.  I
    thought of building a larger cage (4x2x6 foot) but I'm afraid if I more
    them over they may abandon the eggs.  I let both Sunny and Luis out of
    their cage each day for several hours so maybe I should just let things
    go as they are.
    
    Any tips and suggestions would be appreciated.
    
    thanks,
    
    Jeanne
      
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797.1'TIEL TOTS!ABACUS::BOURGAULTTue Apr 20 1993 17:4530
    Jeanne,
    Congratulations!  You are about to become a ??Mother.  IT is exciting
    to raise a clutch.  
    
    1.  Yes, cockatiels like to (as a rule) nest in a bare box.  No frills.
    
    2.  Yes as well to the loose bowels.  Generally, cockatiels do not like
        to mess in their nest box so she saves it until she emerges.  Also,
        egg laying does cause very loose bowels.
    
    3.  I would not advise moving them at this time.  Wait until the babies
        are weaned before moving.  My cockatiels layed their first clutch
        in the bottom of the cage (same size as yours), and 3 of the 4 eggs
        hatched and all lived.  I did take them out once they were 3 weeks
        old and handled them frequently, however it didn't really make them
        friendly as a handfed baby.  (I just gave up 2 babies to a club
        member last night. They were just 3 wks.  She is going to handfeed
        them for me.  Cute little pearls.)
    
    Keep a close eye on them once the babies hatch.  Try not to disturb
    them - however just keep an eye on their crops.  If their crops are not 
    reasonably full then they might not be feeding them properly.
    Cockatiels are notorious for not feeding their young.  Esp. when it is
    their first clutch... and if you peek in there and disturb them too
    much! 
    
    Best of luck!!
    
    Regards,
    Denise  
797.2More questions.SWAM1::DEFRANCO_JETue Apr 20 1993 19:3523
    Thanks for the info Denise .  I do have a few more questions.  If I want
    really friendly babies, it sounds like I should hand feed.  If (?) I
    decide to should I start at 3 weeks?  Should I leave at least one baby
    for the parents to raise.  After all, I want them to get the full
    satisfaction of having little ones!  Ha! Ha! 
    
    Also, Sunny, the female seems to be picking at Luis.  As she preens
    him, she just reaches over to the back on his neck and yanks out a
    feather.  He just stands there and takes it.  Is this mate abuse?
    
    Also, Luis, the male, squawks and yells at Rosie (my other male tiel)
    whenever he (Rosie) is in sight.  They share the same room but not the
    same cage.  Can I expect this protective, combative attitude to last
    until the chick are grown?  Heaven forbid!  My husband calls luis "Luis
    the lip" and that name has been quite fitting lately.  As it is now, I
    have to remove Rosie from the room during the day or it is unbearable.
    
    Thanks!!
    
    Jeanne
       
    
      
797.3Tiel Tots IIABACUS::BOURGAULTWed Apr 21 1993 19:1039
    Jeanne,
    
    I would suggest that if you want real lovable interactive chicks then
    opt for the handfeeding.  3 weeks is the perfect age.  I wouldn't leave
    any of the babies with the parents.  They will be fine...infact they
    seem relieved since they no longer have to feed all those hungry mouths
    and believe me, once you start handfeeding those little guys, you will
    know what I mean!  You best wear ear plugs for those begging noises
    will drive you crazy!  But they are soooo cute!  They come to you
    when they see you (of course you think it is for affection, but in
    reality they are looking for a shringe of food!).  If you decide
    to handfeed,  a great formula on the market today is manufactured
    by "Lakes".  It is easy to prepare (seconds!) and doesn't have any
    odor (some formulas smell terrible).  And the best part, it has a
    nice even consistency - no lumps.  The kids will love it!  BUt expect
    them to be very DIFFICULT for the first 2 or 3 feedings.  Once they
    get the hang of it then it is pretty clear sailing.  I can get you
    some specifics on it as to , how much each feeding should be at 
    what age and also how many feedings a day and when to decrease the
    number of feedings, when to wean etc.   Also, you should get some
    "lacto-bacillus" (not sure of spelling or name, however what it
    does is supply the bird with a small amount of bacteria I believe
    to build its immune system). Ordinarily the parents produce this
    bacteria, and even though it is not critical at 3 weeks, since the
    parents probably already did this in the first 3 weeks, I suggest
    that you still add a pinch at 1 feeding a day for another week or
    so.
    
    As for your female picking at your male,  It could be frustration
    over feeding the chicks.  Or she could be just a dominating female!
    As for your male screeching at Rosie,  many cockatiels will do this
    when they see another tiel come into the room.  Or he's fond of
    Rosie.  
    
    Once I get that info I'll send it over to you.  Best of luck and
    keep us posted on your progress, regardless of whether you handfeed
    or not.
    
    Denise
797.42 centsCSOA1::DIRRMANThu Apr 22 1993 18:5920
    
    Hi Jeanne,
    
    	Welcome to breadership! I am on my 6th clutch (second set of
    parents) and have found the babies to be Much stronger if left with the
    parents. I do two hand feedings a day - usually in the AM and then
    again at night. The parents are tame and are used to me sticking my
    hand in the box. If you have a busy schedule .. you will find it
    difficult to do all the hand feedings necessary. I have one baby
    left from the last clutch (6 weeks old) and will move her to
    her own cage this weekend.
    
    	I have 3 sets of parents and have found them realy great at
    raising their young (Lucky I guess). 
    
    		Good luck..  and have FUN!
    
    			Dora
    
    ps - Millet is great for helping the parents feed the young!
797.5First hatchling!SWAM1::DEFRANCO_JEFri Apr 30 1993 00:027
    Well, it's April 29th and we have our first chick in the box.  Sunny
    tossed one egg out and it was just yolk.  I think that maybe one more
    will hatch since it's getting dark in color while the fourth one is
    still snow white.  
    
    Jeanne
    
797.6Help, PleaseSWAM1::DEFRANCO_JEMon May 10 1993 17:2425
    Well, it looks like only one baby chick this time.  I may opt for hand
    feeding, so any info will be appreciated.  
    
    It appears that the father is doing all the work.  I've yet to see
    Sunny, the mother, feed this chick.  It's always Dad that does the
    feeding.  Is this normal?
    
    On Saturday, I took Sunny out of the cage and put her in another
    smaller cage and brought her outside for a bath and a break.  She
    seemed happy to be away from the nest.
    
    Since she doesn't seem to be feeding the chick, and since she seems
    happier away from the nest, at what point can I remove her from this
    situation?  Will the father continue feeding the chick?  
    
    I'm thinking along these lines because Sunny is "really" picking on
    her mate, Louie.  He is bald from the top of his head down to the
    bottom of his neck.  She is brutal with him!  
    
    Any help would be appreciated!
    
    thanks,
    
    Jeanne
      
797.7Weaning questionSWAM1::DEFRANCO_JEWed Jun 16 1993 16:2925
    Well, my chick will be 7 weeks on 6/17 and she is not yet weaned.  She
    was doing O.K. with seed but she decided that's all she wanted.  So....
    I decided to forget about the seed and leave her to eat only kibble,
    eggs, rice and vegies (like the other big birds).  
    
    My question is, should I wean her on the seed and then work on
    improving/changing her diet to the pellets or should I just hang in
    there and continue hand feeding her until she learns to eat the
    pellets, eggs, veggies, etc...?  
    
    In the end, I don't want her eating any seed other than an occasional
    millet spray as a treat.  
    
    Thanks,
    
    Jeanne
    
    P.S. I've decided to keep this little bird and we've named her Ruby
    because her eyes shine red in the light.  
    
    Also, another question, Ruby's tail is bent to the right (I mean really
    bent!)  Has anyone ever seen this before?  Will it straighten our in
    time?